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Links to the Bible

The text I'm transcribing references the Bible a lot, for example:

As it is written 1. Regum. cha. 17. Dauid brake ye beares chin, and deliuered the ſhéepe out of his mouth &c.

I would like to link these references to Bible texts, but I can only see ways to link to specific translations. There's no obvious translation to use for this, since the translation predates the KJV, and I don't want to make choices about translation for the users.

Is it possible to link to a particular chapter in general and let the user choose what translation they want? Marnanel (talk) 21:17, 19 October 2024 (UTC)

You can only refer to individual books of Bible, for example 1 Samuel (Bible). --Jan Kameníček (talk) 22:23, 19 October 2024 (UTC)

Thanks-- I'll do that, then. This feels like something which should have a general solution, though. Marnanel (talk) 12:22, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

IP Block Exemption

Hi, We are experiencing IP Blocks on these accounts: Wikimanus2001 and Wikione010781. Kindly help exempt them as soon as possible because we are currently at a Wikisource event. Thanks Sunkanmi12 (talk) 09:48, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

@Sunkanmi12: Unfortunately, it is not possible to exempt these accounts because they have not been registered on this wiki yet. Besides, once they are registered, no exemption should be necessary. So I suggest either registering the accounts from a different IP which is not blocked, or telling us the blocked IP so that we can unblock it or allow account creation. If you decide for the second choice, you can email me the IP address for privacy reasons if you want. BTW: I cannot see any contributions by any of these accounts on any wiki at all. May I ask what is the purpose of these accounts? --Jan Kameníček (talk) 13:23, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

@Jan.Kamenicek These accounts were automatically blocked from logging in to Wikisource. They are new contributors/volunteers that attended our recently organized Workshop Sunkanmi12 (talk) 10:48, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

@Sunkanmi12: That is most probably because the IP which they were trying to login from is blocked. We cannot solve it without knowing the IP. --Jan Kameníček (talk) 10:56, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Jan.Kamenicek, apologies for the late response.

I just received the IP address from the institution and here it is; 41.66.222.240 .

Thanks Sunkanmi12 (talk) 16:31, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

Hello. It seems there is no problem on the side of English Wikisource. The IP that you provided is not blocked and has never been blocked here, and so there should be no obstacle to login with these accounts to en.ws. I can see that both accounts have already been registered at en.wikipedia on 22 October, but they have not done a single edit there. I can also see that they have been temporarily ip-block exempted there. Do they have problems to login only to English Wikisource or to other projects as well? If the latter is true, it must be some global problem that can be addressed only in meta, for example at meta:Steward requests. --Jan Kameníček (talk) 18:54, 10 November 2024 (UTC) Forgot to ping @Sunkanmi12: --Jan Kameníček (talk) 18:55, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

Text rendering in Page namespace (Chrome)

When viewing a rendered Page in the Page namespace in my Chrome browser, applied formatting is not rendered correctly even if the page has been correctly formatted. But the text renders correctly when viewed in the Main namespace. What might the issue be? With my javascript? Gadget settings? I checked how Pages render in Microsoft Edge, and they render fine. How might I resolve this issue so that it renders correctly in Chrome? Thanks, Londonjackbooks (talk) 11:30, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

Can you give an example of what pages fail to display correctly, and how? — Alien  3
3 3 12:05, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

[Update: Renders fine in Chrome incognito mode] Sure... All formatted, proofread pages in the Page:namespace fail to render correctly in my normal Chrome browser. Centering is not centered, poetry is not indented, all is left-aligned. Londonjackbooks (talk) 12:13, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

Maybe a Chrome extensions issue? Londonjackbooks (talk) 12:17, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

I think so, as I just tested with Page:Poems Strong.djvu/65 on chrome and it worked fine, centering & poetry. (I don't have any extensions) — Alien  3
3 3 12:19, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

I apparently only have 2 extensions. I disabled them, but it made no difference. Hmm... I looked at your page. Header and footer are left-aligned for me, yet the poem formatting renders fine as formatted. Can you tell me how this page renders for you in Chrome? Whether the title is centered and the poem block-centered with indentation? BTW, line indentation renders fine for me here. Londonjackbooks (talk) 12:31, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

Forgive my incessant updates. It seems that only templates are affected, and not 'standard' formatting. e.g., {{center}} does not render as centered, yet <center></center> does (although the gap template renders fine...). Londonjackbooks (talk) 12:47, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

For the page you gave, the title is properly centered, the poem lines are indented, but the poem itself is on the left. Can you go to WS:sandbox and tell me if you see it centered? — Alien  3
3 3 13:27, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

Sorry for the delay. It appears as centered. Londonjackbooks (talk) 15:30, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

Sidenote aligning

How do I get a sidenote to not indent when it's next to text that's been indented with a :. For reference Page:Abortion Act 1967 (UKPGA 1967-87 qp).pdf/4 ToxicPea (talk) 17:14, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

ToxicPea: I added negative indents to the nested stuff in 6. But, maybe this is not what you were looking for. If not, *please* undo what I did. {{hi}} after the ":".--RaboKarbakian (talk) 18:49, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

Yeah, this wasn't quite what I was looking for. What I want is for the "1861 c. 100." sidenote to be aligned with the rest of the sidenotes. ToxicPea (talk) 19:08, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

{{Outside L}} doesn't allow completely using {{left sidenote}}, which it uses, so I tried using directly {{left sidenote}} with the style parameter. Is that result what you wanted? — Alien  3
3 3 19:09, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

@Alien333: Unfortunately this solution is not transcluded well into the mainspace for some reason :-( --Jan Kameníček (talk) 19:16, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

Because {{Outside L}} only uses {{left sidenote}} in pagespace, for some reason. Going to have to customize a bit, so that in mainspace it uses the other template, {{outside}}, also the right way. — Alien  3
3 3 19:21, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

Yes, this is exactly what I wanted, though I wish it worked in the mainspace as well. ToxicPea (talk) 19:50, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

@ToxicPea, @Alien333 I have tried something with Template:Dent. Feel free to adjust the indentations as you see fit. Overall, I don't trust the ":" indentation, as I have had issues with right sidenotes as well (in poems), where it doesn't overfloat right correctly (and so {{em}}, or an actual template, like dent, is safer). See User talk:Duckmather, em and pline section, if curious about the issue. Regards, TeysaKarlov (talk) 19:57, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

perfect ToxicPea (talk) 19:58, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

I'm curious about what you mentioned in poems. Were you using {{ppoem}} or not? as ppoem's ":" indentation is not the same, and should work as it's just a gap in the end. — Alien  3
3 3 20:05, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

@Alien333 In the right overfloat case, <poem> tags had been used. I usually prefer ppoem, but the index (Index:Slavery, a poem.pdf) had already been started, so I stuck with <poem>. Regards, TeysaKarlov (talk) 20:26, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

Missing pages in scans and single work in two volumes

1. The scan source for The Story of My Experiments with Truth/Volume 1 is missing (at least) a couple pages. There is an alternative scan of the same edition available on TIA that contains the missing pages (but is missing others smh). What is the process for inserting those missing pages to have them proofread and ultimately transcluded?

2. The Story of My Experiments with Truth is two separate volumes (you can see the parking page I created just now at that page), but the second volume is not yet PD (for 2 more months). How should I handle the page for the overall work vs just the first volume? Thanks! Qx3Jw (talk) 00:02, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

In regard to (1), I've created a fixed pdf combining the missing pages from the alternative scan and removing duplicated pages. Where should I upload this new pdf and can I easily change the Index page to point to the new scan?

And for (2), I think I have it mostly figured out. I took a look at some other works with multiple volumes, particularly The Works of the Rev. Jonathan Swift, but any comments greatly appreciated! Qx3Jw (talk) 03:39, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

1. As that file is PD both in the US and in India, you should upload it at Wikimedia Commons. Making the index match it will probably need an intervention, because pages have been created after the missing pages and placeholders have not been inserted, so it needs a mass move of pages. You should ask at Wikisource:Scan Lab.

2. For multi-volume works, most of the time, as here, the work itself does not contain a listing of the volumes, so that listing, which we need, should be wrapped in an {{AuxTOC}}. — Alien  3
3 3 09:21, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

Is there a bot or script to help with a W e i r d OCR error in a text I am working on?

The Chronicles of Early Melbourne has a bizarre recurrent OCR error whereby words - particularly at the start of sentences and beginning with wider letters such as m and w are OCR'd with a space between each letter. This is surprisingly time consuming to correct but feels like something that would be particularly amenable to an automated solution. Has anyone encountered this problem before, and is there an automated method of correcting it, please? Thank you. CharlesSpencer (talk) 11:05, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

@CharlesSpencer: You can try to get a different OCR of the page by clicking the "transcribe text" button (on the right). You can choose from three OCR tools (Tesseract, Google, Transkribus), so you can try which of them works best for the particual page. --Jan Kameníček (talk) 11:25, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

Thanks @Jan.Kamenicek - let me give that a try... CharlesSpencer (talk) 11:26, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

Thank you indeed, @Jan.Kamenicek - Google OCR shows no such behaviour - so problem solved at a single blow! Thank you. CharlesSpencer (talk) 11:42, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

Anyone else being repeatedly logged out?

In the last few days, it has happened dozens of times to me. Is it just me? — Alien  3
3 3 09:40, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

I think it happens whenever I go to another WMF wiki. — Alien  3
3 3 14:16, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

I am not experiencing it. -- Jan Kameníček (talk) 14:26, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

section begin"" / section end"" / problems

Hi, i'm transcribing this book https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Index:First_six_books_of_the_elements_of_Euclid_1847_Byrne.djvu. when i try to mark section i only get blank pages or it does not show the section. see: https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_First_Six_Books_of_the_Elements_of_Euclid_in_which_coloured_diagrams_and_symbols_are_used_instead_of_letters_for_the_greater_ease_of_learners/BOOK_I/POSTULATES. What am i doing wrong?Pduive23 (talk) 22:29, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

It's an issue with Page:First six books of the elements of Euclid 1847 Byrne.djvu/26. Here, the {{c}} template contained the section breaks, so the <pages> tag couldn't find them. Templates have to be split across page breaks, for transclusion to work (I did that at /26). — Alien  3
3 3 06:46, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

THanks! I didn't know to look there :) Pduive23 (talk) 08:58, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

No preview

Hi, I recently created Index:Constitution of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, published in conformity to a Resolve of the Legislature of April 26, 1853.pdf, but a preview of the book's cover is not showing. The PDF is valid and uploaded on Commons, so I'm a bit confused. Am I doing anything wrong? Thanks. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 13:11, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

You did nothing wrong. Sometimes, pages will not display correctly and need to be purged. I did this both at Commons and here and also made an edit that should not fundamentally change how the page renders. All of this makes the index display correctly for me. Do you see it correctly on your end now? —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 13:26, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

Yup, it's working now, thanks! '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 13:27, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

Creation of existing page

Hi. I finished proofreading Index:Constitution of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, published in conformity to a Resolve of the Legislature of April 26, 1853.pdf. Most of its text already exists at Constitution of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts (1780), so should I a) replace the page's text with transclusions, usurping the original content, or b) create a new seperate page? Thanks. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 12:42, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

User:CanonNi Scan backed texts are always preferred. Not only should you replace it, but you should receive kudos and back-pats for having done so! Kudos!--RaboKarbakian (talk) 14:16, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

Agreed on the latter: I appreciate that you've been here for a few months, but I've don't recall seeing someone who was very new to editing here who was so aggressive about making some pretty hi-quality edits and finishing a work like this. Wikisource and the general process of transcribing texts can be really time-consuming and arcane (versus, e.g., just fixing a quick typo at Wikipedia), so congrats on doing some great work for free culture. I hope you'll stick around. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 16:23, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

Thank you both! I really appreciate the kind words and support. Wikisource has been a great place, and I'm looking forward to continue contributing whenever I can. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 00:51, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

Oh, while I've got you, could you check out the first two pages of the text? The numbered list seems broken. Thanks. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 01:10, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

That was my goofy fault. There is a method to fix this long term, but in the short term, I can fix it with some HTML. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 02:57, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

Additionally, I'm going thru the pages to validate and I'll try to fix any of the issues I see in further pages. CanonNi, please do let me know if you see anything else that is off. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 03:02, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

Thank you! Everything else looks fine, but I'll let you know if I spot anything. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 03:42, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

Uploading a transcription from a word doc

A historical project of mine required essentially the whole 1849 Code of Virginia be transcribed into a word doc. I've never really done anything on wikisource, but after the number of hours that went into having it transcribed, I'd like to upload it and save any future researchers the labour. How should I go about doing this? A note on the word doc itself: it's formatted using styles, not just font formatting, in the hopes that makes things easier; also, while it was human transcribed, I didn't have it edited afterwards -- in wikisource parlance, I think I'd call it proofread but not validated.

From reading, I know that standard procedure is to upload a scan and go page by page transcribing. Unfortunately, I didn't consider wikisource when transcribing and so didn't have page numbers preserved in the text. I think that's all the relevant info. Help definitely needed and appreciated. Many thanks.

Here's a google drive link for my word doc.

(Note: I asked this same question ages ago and didn't get any bites, and then got busy and never followed up. I figured it'd be good to just ask again to see if I could get this doc up and preserved on wikisource for others.) Maltonpsmith (talk) 18:11, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

There are several possibilities that come to my mind:

1. Upload the scan of the book, create the index page and then add the link to your transcription to the talk page of the index page, so that potential future transcribers can find it.
2. After uploading the scan, copypaste the work to The code of Virginia and label it with various maintenance tags like {{standardize}} and {{migrate to}}.
3. If you decided to transcribe the scans yourself, you may try the Match and split tool. However, I have no experience with this tool and so cannot give more advice about it. --Jan Kameníček (talk) 19:35, 21 November 2024 (UTC)