Wikipedia:Today's featured article/requests
Here the community can nominate articles to be selected as "Today's featured article" (TFA) on the main page. The TFA section aims to highlight the range of articles that have "featured article" status, from Art and architecture through to Warfare, and wherever possible it tries to avoid similar topics appearing too close together without good reason. Requests are not the only factor in scheduling the TFA (see Choosing Today's Featured Article); the final decision rests with the TFA coordinators: Wehwalt, Dank, Gog the Mild and SchroCat, who also select TFAs for dates where no suggestions are put forward. Please confine requests to this page, and remember that community endorsement on this page does not necessarily mean the article will appear on the requested date.
If you have an exceptional request that deviates from these instructions (for example, an article making a second appearance as TFA, or a "double-header"), please discuss the matter with the TFA coordinators beforehand. It can be helpful to add the article to the pending requests template, if the desired date for the article is beyond the 30-day period. This does not guarantee selection, but does help others see what nominations may be forthcoming. Requesters should still nominate the article here during the 30-day time-frame.
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Summary chart
Currently accepting requests from January 2 to February 1.
Date | Article | Points | Notes | Supports† | Opposes† |
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December 12 | Planescape: Torment | 0 | 10th anniversary of release Next to be replaced. | 15 | 2 |
December 17 | Homer Simpson | 3 | 20th anniversary of premiere | 15 | 1 |
December 24 or 25 | Christmas 1994 nor'easter | 1–2 | Anniversary. | 1 | 0 |
December 27 | Prairie Avenue | 3 | 30th anniversary of Chicago Landmark status | 8 | 1 |
January 1 | Ceres (dwarf planet) | 3 | Anniversary of discovery | 8 | 5 |
† Tally may not be up to date; please do not use these tallies for removing a nomination according to criteria 1 or 3 above unless you have verified the numbers.
Requests
December 12
Planescape: Torment is a computer role-playing game (RPG) developed for Windows by Black Isle Studios (lead designer Chris Avellone pictured) and released on December 12, 1999 by Interplay Entertainment. It takes place in Planescape, a Dungeons & Dragons fantasy campaign setting. The game is primarily story-driven; combat is given less prominence than in most contemporary RPGs. The protagonist is an immortal who has lost his name, lived many lives, and forgotten them. The game focuses on his journey to reclaim his memories of these previous lives. The game was not a significant commercial success but received widespread critical praise for its immersive dialog, the dark Planescape setting, and the protagonist's unique persona, which shirked many characteristics of traditional RPGs. It was considered by many video game journalists to be the best RPG of 1999, and as a cult classic continues to receive attention long after its release. (more...)
2 pts for 10-year anniversary of release. I know this doesn't give it any points, but 12/12/09 is my birthday so I'd consider a support vote to be a nice present! :)
I know Grim Fandango ran on November 12, and I'm hoping that doesn't count against the "within one month" - it seems to me that this is just outside of the one-month line. Plus, this is a 10-year anniversary, so not exactly arbitrary. :) BOZ (talk) 20:05, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
- Support An anniversary of ten years is pretty significant and the game is well regarded still, even after all this time. This article nudged me to check out the game, so I'm looking favorably to this appearing on the front page. Hekerui (talk) 20:12, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
- Two points.--Wehwalt (talk) 20:43, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
- Thanks - that's what I was hoping for. :) BOZ (talk) 20:49, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
- Shouldn't it be three points? I'm second on the contributor list tool (linked to somewhere above), and I haven't had an article on the main page before. (also, support if that's allowed from the article's major editor[s]). –Drilnoth (T • C • L) 22:21, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
- No article that you've been a major contributor to has appeared main page, regardless of whether you've asked for it to be?--Wehwalt (talk) 22:23, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
- Correct; the only one was a DYK, but it says that the point only counts past TFAs. Really, this is the only feature article that I can say I am a "major" contributor to at all (the other being Ravenloft (module), but it was completely rewritten before it got promoted, and it hasn't been on the main page either). Other FA contributions have been minor tweaks and the like, and I certainly don't feel like a major contributor to any others. –Drilnoth (T • C • L) 22:32, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
- Well, we've allowed similar cases lots of times. Up to three points, then!--Wehwalt (talk) 22:46, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
- Thanks! –Drilnoth (T • C • L) 22:50, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
- Well, we've allowed similar cases lots of times. Up to three points, then!--Wehwalt (talk) 22:46, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
- Correct; the only one was a DYK, but it says that the point only counts past TFAs. Really, this is the only feature article that I can say I am a "major" contributor to at all (the other being Ravenloft (module), but it was completely rewritten before it got promoted, and it hasn't been on the main page either). Other FA contributions have been minor tweaks and the like, and I certainly don't feel like a major contributor to any others. –Drilnoth (T • C • L) 22:32, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
- No article that you've been a major contributor to has appeared main page, regardless of whether you've asked for it to be?--Wehwalt (talk) 22:23, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
- Shouldn't it be three points? I'm second on the contributor list tool (linked to somewhere above), and I haven't had an article on the main page before. (also, support if that's allowed from the article's major editor[s]). –Drilnoth (T • C • L) 22:21, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
- Thanks - that's what I was hoping for. :) BOZ (talk) 20:49, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
- (Just in case, it should be pointed out that Grim Fandango was originally picked by Raul for Nov 11 sometime the week before, but moved on the 10th to Nov 12th (as I think it was caught that the 11th was Veteran's Day and a more appropriate article was there. As BOZ states, I believe this is still outside the 1 month boundary for that, so no point subtractions for that issue.) --MASEM (t) 20:54, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
- Support for an article on the game that broke many stereotypical molds.—RJH (talk) 22:06, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
- Support for ten-year anniversary. --candle•wicke 20:04, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
- Support Happy birthday. :P GlassCobra 20:43, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
- Support Karanacs (talk) 20:48, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
- Support This game had the best writing in a video game I've ever played, I remember when it came out 10 years ago. Cult classic. JACOPLANE • 2009-11-18 21:17
- Oppose with all due respect for the article and the editors, I just think we have far too many video games on TFA. Smallbones (talk) 03:59, 19 November 2009 (UTC)
- I would have to disagree with this, only considering how other VG articles have reached TFA. I have had several featured video game articles that I was a/the major contributor on selected by Raul to be on the front page within the last two years, 5 within the last 6 months, including 2 within a 30 day period. (This is Raul's pick, no TFA here). I'm pretty sure Raul is aware that VG is an over-represented topic at TFA but these still are selected. That may say something to the pool of available FAs that there remain to pull from. As best as I can recall, this is the first major TFA request for a VG front page in a long time, since we (the VG project) are well aware of that stigma, and thus do tend to coordinate internally to avoid making this excessive. --MASEM (t) 14:09, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
- Support. -- Poisonink (talk) 21:38, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
- Support. There was in fact only one video game article run in november, and one a month does not seem excessive to me. Like it or not video games have become at least as important a part of popular culture as films, TV shows, or comic strips, and that gives games that were important in the development of the art form historical signficance, which appears to be the case with this game. Also the article is well written. Rusty Cashman (talk) 05:26, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
- Support...RPG-style... Casliber (talk · contribs) 10:43, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
- Support per Rusty. Although I'd note that I hope that all candidate articles here are "well written"! --Dweller (talk) 11:54, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
- Support Ten years? Damn, feels like just yesterday. Richardkselby (talk) 08:14, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
- Oy... does that mean we're at 0 points now? :( BOZ (talk) 00:04, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
- Support Even though this will be 0 points now. I think Raul has just been too busy to pay much attention to this page (I'm assuming that he is busy, as he hasn't been making any edits other than selecting the featured article for each day). This was a great game and I personally want to see it on the main page even if it means 2 video games in 3 days. Calathan (talk) 00:32, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
- Support Even if it's now a zero-pointer, I also think it would be unfortunate if this got bumped at this late date. --Noren (talk) 00:44, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
- Oppose I oppose two games on the main page in the same week.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 01:17, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
- Support It's an unfortunate mistake, but that doesn't mean we have to punish hard-working editors, especially at such late notice. Grsz11 01:20, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
December 17
The article was promoted over a year ago, that's one point. It commemorates a 20th anniversary, 2 points. So, at least three. Depending on your definition of similar article, it might gain another point.
By December 17, it will have been over 3 months since a similar article (I'm going by fictional character articles, so the most recent would be Khan Noonien Singh, which ran on September 4; a television-related article, North by North Quahog, went on September 21).
December 17 marks the 20th anniversary of the show's first episode, and Simpsons debut of the character. Another possibility for a TFA on that day is Bart Simpson. The Simpsons is a FA, but it previously ran on December 17, 2007 (so yes, this would be the second case of a Simpsons article running on that day, but does it really matter?). Now, if this day is rejected, another possibility is January 14, the airdate of "Bart the Genius" (which Fox considers the first "official" episode), in which case I would probably request Bart's page.
Yes, there have been four previous TFAs for The Simpsons - Homer's Phobiaon July 27, 2007; The Simpsons on December 17, 2007; Troy McClure on May 28, 2008; and Treehouse of Horror (series) on October 31, 2008. So, it's been over a year since a request was made. -- Scorpion0422 19:52, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
- Comment I find the image irritating. If it was The Simpsons it would work but when I see Homer Simpson and the face of this guy pops up - there's a disconnect there, even if he voices him. Hekerui (talk) 19:56, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
- I think it would be much more "irritating" a) if there was no image and b) if it was on a The Simpsons TFA, as he wouldn't be the most relevant picture. An image of Castellaneta is perfectly relevant, an image of Homer is not allowed as it is fair-use. Gran2 20:01, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
- I think it's very unlike there is a free use image of Homer Simpson anywhere. BUC (talk) 20:04, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
- I know the fair-use rules, I just think Homer is such a well known figure that people will go "huh?" like me upon seeing this. Despite the man being important to Homer as such. Just my view. Hekerui (talk) 20:12, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
- Three points, North by North Quahog is in my opinion similar. While the anniversary is of the show, of course it is also the 20th anniversary of Homer Simpson's first appearance on the show (doh!). Can we get a photograph of some Simpsons merch that might be free use? Or the Hollywood star or the Homer as crop circle?--Wehwalt (talk) 20:38, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
- My understanding of the fair use policies is that any image of a copyrighted character, either on a t-shirt or whatever, cannot be counted as free-use. This is in the article and is in the Commons as free-use: File:Homer Simpson in Cerne Abbans.JPG but not only is it a fairly small image I think it should actually be classified as fair use. The star has been used before and doesn't seem an improvement on the image of Castellaneta. TV TFAs have run in the past with a production guy as the image, I really don't see anything wrong with this. Gran2 20:51, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
- Yeah, that was discussed when we had the water park this spring. Copyrighted characters in costume.--Wehwalt (talk) 21:34, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
- I'd go with the star. Readers will see it and think, "Yes, the Simpsons are stars." whereas if the Castellaneta picture is used, 99.9% of readers will say, "What the hell?! That's not Homer Simpson!" Krakatoa (talk) 11:07, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
- commons:File:The Simpsons star.jpg and commons:File:Simpsonstar.jpg are the two usable pictures of the star. I agree, though, that having a picture of someone else is decidedly confusing - if it was an out-of-character photo of a "visual actor", or if the article wasn't about a specific character, sure - but there's no immediate visual link between the image and the named subject. Shimgray | talk | 13:37, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
- I disagree. If you use the star you may as well just write "Homer Simpson" on a white background and use that as an image. Seriously, how many people are actually going to look at the main page and go "Oh my God! There's a picture of some guy, but the words say Homer Simpson! This makes no sense, I'm just going to leave an never use this confusing site ever again!" - "North by North Quahog" ran with a picture of Seth McFarlane, using an image of Dan (with the blurb clearing featuring the word "pictured" next to his name) is more relevant than that was. Gran2 15:08, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
- "North by North Quahog" is an episode, Homer Simpson is a well-known character that most people with a tv can identify while the article has the unknown face of this guy as the picture, when only his voice is identifiable. Hekerui (talk) 15:39, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
- I disagree. If you use the star you may as well just write "Homer Simpson" on a white background and use that as an image. Seriously, how many people are actually going to look at the main page and go "Oh my God! There's a picture of some guy, but the words say Homer Simpson! This makes no sense, I'm just going to leave an never use this confusing site ever again!" - "North by North Quahog" ran with a picture of Seth McFarlane, using an image of Dan (with the blurb clearing featuring the word "pictured" next to his name) is more relevant than that was. Gran2 15:08, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
- Yeah, that was discussed when we had the water park this spring. Copyrighted characters in costume.--Wehwalt (talk) 21:34, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
- My understanding of the fair use policies is that any image of a copyrighted character, either on a t-shirt or whatever, cannot be counted as free-use. This is in the article and is in the Commons as free-use: File:Homer Simpson in Cerne Abbans.JPG but not only is it a fairly small image I think it should actually be classified as fair use. The star has been used before and doesn't seem an improvement on the image of Castellaneta. TV TFAs have run in the past with a production guy as the image, I really don't see anything wrong with this. Gran2 20:51, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
- I agree with Gran. The fact is, the image of his voice actor, who is just as important to the character as his creator, Matt Groening, or his design. People are not going to be confused because they see an image of a guy in an article about a cartoon, especially when the text says specifically who this guy is. There is absolutely nothing wrong with using his voice actor, you are overthinking this — its his actor, that's all there is to say; it works. The Flash {talk} 19:20, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
- The reader has to go down to the sixth sentence of the blurb (which appears as the seventh-eighth line on my monitor) to find out who the pictured guy is. The picture will work much better if you move the "voiced by Dan Castellaneta (pictured)" clause to the end of the first sentence. Krakatoa (talk) 20:17, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
- That would solve it, I think. Hekerui (talk) 21:39, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
- Done. Theleftorium 21:43, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
- The moved comment is a marked improvement, I think - thanks. Shimgray | talk | 12:18, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
- Done. Theleftorium 21:43, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
- That would solve it, I think. Hekerui (talk) 21:39, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
- The reader has to go down to the sixth sentence of the blurb (which appears as the seventh-eighth line on my monitor) to find out who the pictured guy is. The picture will work much better if you move the "voiced by Dan Castellaneta (pictured)" clause to the end of the first sentence. Krakatoa (talk) 20:17, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
- Three points, North by North Quahog is in my opinion similar. While the anniversary is of the show, of course it is also the 20th anniversary of Homer Simpson's first appearance on the show (doh!). Can we get a photograph of some Simpsons merch that might be free use? Or the Hollywood star or the Homer as crop circle?--Wehwalt (talk) 20:38, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
- I know the fair-use rules, I just think Homer is such a well known figure that people will go "huh?" like me upon seeing this. Despite the man being important to Homer as such. Just my view. Hekerui (talk) 20:12, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
- I think it's very unlike there is a free use image of Homer Simpson anywhere. BUC (talk) 20:04, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
- I think it would be much more "irritating" a) if there was no image and b) if it was on a The Simpsons TFA, as he wouldn't be the most relevant picture. An image of Castellaneta is perfectly relevant, an image of Homer is not allowed as it is fair-use. Gran2 20:01, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
- Support
Although the accompanying image of Dan Castellaneta is a bit off-putting,the 20th anniversary of The Simpsons is a cultural milestone that deserves commemoration. Krakatoa (talk) 09:03, 14 November 2009 (UTC)- I'm not sure if this really counts as the 20th anniversary of The Simpsons, since they had technically been on TV before 1989. BUC (talk) 10:14, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
- They may have been, but The Simpsons TV show had not. Gran2 10:39, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
- I'm not sure if this really counts as the 20th anniversary of The Simpsons, since they had technically been on TV before 1989. BUC (talk) 10:14, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
- Support per Krakatoa. The 20th anniversary of the show is being reported everywhere. Theleftorium 10:34, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
- Support per above.--Pedro J. the rookie 18:24, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
- Support: Per above. The Flash {talk} 19:20, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
- Support per above. --candle•wicke 20:02, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
- Support Nergaal (talk) 22:06, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
- Support, but that image is really off putting. Perhaps it is because, for example, if I were to think of "The Simpsons", I might think of their house from the title sequence or Bart riding his skateboard or that family picture that we used to have. When I think of "Homer Simpson", I think of Homer Simpson, not Dan Castellaneta. –thedemonhog talk • edits 01:44, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
- Support Timely and appropriate. GlassCobra 20:41, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
- Support using either this picture or no picture. I don't think the image of the Hollywood star is appropriate. Karanacs (talk) 20:51, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
- Support as everyone loves Homer, and the image of the guy doing the voice rather than the familiar cartoon makes the article more interesting. . . dave souza, talk 18:04, 19 November 2009 (UTC)
- Support Doh! I forgot to jump on this bandwagon sooner. Seriously the Simpsons are near to universal interest as any pop culture topic can come, and the article seems excellent. Rusty Cashman (talk) 04:22, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
- Support per above. World Cinema Writer (talk • contributions) 09:05, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
- Support due to global interest. Casliber (talk · contribs) 10:43, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
- Weak support. Great idea for a TFA. Not actually having Homer Simpson as the image is really off putting, but I understand there's no way around that. Wizardman 00:19, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
- Oppose I've read the comments above, but must still oppose this, based entirely on the image. We must comply with fair use rule? I agree. That this represents a showcasing of the very best we can offer? I disagree. It's ridiculous and leaves us open to said ridicule. And, far, far worse, confusion among readers. --Dweller (talk) 11:49, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
- Comment I don't like the image, as several commenters have said above. An unwritten understanding with a lot of TFAs is that the image is an image of the article subject, not just related, and the current image is jarring in that respect. We have run many TFAs with no image and it's hasn't been a problem; we can afford to do so again, I think. rʨanaɢ talk/contribs 15:29, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
- Weak support with image, full support without. I agree, though not as strongly, with Dweller. I would prefer no image to one that nobody would expect to see on a blurb about a television icon like this. Dabomb87 (talk) 00:07, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
December 24 or 25
I think this is one or two points; one for date relevance (for either date), and one potentially for MP representation. One could argue that there has never been a similar article on the main page, since this is the only FA on an individual nor'easter, but I think there's been at least one general meteorology article as TFA in the past few months. That said, Raul had initially scheduled this in August, but upon request kindly replaced with it another FA so it could be featured around Christmas. –Juliancolton | Talk 21:12, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
- Julian, is it really necessary to nom this? Didn't your discussion with Raul include a willingness on his part to run this in December when you asked him to pull it from the schedule? Perhaps this could be addressed either here or at Raul's talk page and maybe we can free up this slot. BTW, I'm thinking one point, all big bodies of wet air that move around are more or less the same to me. And I drove the NJ Turnpike in that storm, btw.--Wehwalt (talk) 21:20, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
- Agree that this is only 1 point. Arguing that this is different from a hurricane article is like putting a rugby article right after a cricket article and saying they are dissimilar (well, they are, but not under the TFAR criteria). Dabomb87 (talk) 23:01, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
- More like a CFL article right after a NFL article. Both kinds of storm have a lot of air and water and move them around in funny ways, rather inconvenient if you are on the ground there while it's happening!--Wehwalt (talk) 18:58, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
December 27
- This is a three-pointer: one for age and two for decennial anniversary.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 21:08, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
- This article was nominated for its other anniversary in November, but two Illinois articles were put on the main page including Interstate 355, which was considered to be similar enough to reduce this article's point value.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 21:08, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
- Three points If at first you don't succeed, Chi, Chi again.--Wehwalt (talk) 21:28, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
- Support as previously. Great articles on great architecture are always appreciated. Smallbones (talk) 00:02, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
- Oppose. I think that there have been too many Illinois-related articles this month. Karanacs (talk) 16:36, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
- Support - just because it's my kind of town. :) BOZ (talk) 16:57, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
- Support Never enough historical stuff on the main page :) YellowMonkey (bananabucket) (Invincibles Featured topic drive:one left) 20:34, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
- Support It is a very interesting historical article, and the allegations of illini-centrism are specious. This article has been nominated for the end of December. The other two Illinois related articles Interstate 355, and 1968 Illinois earthquake were run on Nov. 4 and Nov. 8 respectively, which is more than a month and half earlier. Besides this is by far the most interesting article of the three in my opinion. I hope they revisit the issue of historical site status for Capone's house. To argue that some gangsters are not important historical figures is to seriously misunderstand American history. Rusty Cashman (talk) 04:48, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
- Comment This appears to me to be one-point, or at most a two point nomination. The argument that this should count as multiple points for a decennial anniversary is tenuous at best- the event to be commemorated is not notable enough to be mentioned in the lede, and merits only a brief mention in the body of the article. The district that is referred to as an anniversary is not the same as the subject of the article. The historical district includes only two of the 100+ blocks of Prairie Avenue, and also includes a block and part of yet another that are not in Prairie Avenue. It includes notable buildings that are not on Prairie Avenue, e.g. Henry B. Clarke House, and does not include some parts of Prairie Avenue that are notable, e.g. Al Capone's house. It is marginal at best to award a single point for the anniversary of the local city declaring a small portion of the subject of the article to be a part of a historical district; it clearly does not meet the stricter requirement for multiple points, "Multiple points are only awarded for the anniversary of an event receiving significant coverage in the article." --Noren (talk) 22:38, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
- As a street, Prairie Avenue is WP:N almost entirely because of the portion in the historic district. Aside from that it is just another street in a big city.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 23:12, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
- You created the separate Prairie Avenue District page. At that time it appears that you considered the topics distinct- how do you reconcile that action with your current position? --Noren (talk) 02:11, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
- I see no conflict to resolve. The street is different than the district, which provides it most if its notability.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 02:25, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
- If it were true that "Aside from that it is just another street in a big city.", then this article is not WP:N by itself and should be deleted or merged into the article Prairie Avenue District, and your action of creating a second article for a single notable topic was an error. --Noren (talk) 14:32, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
- I see no conflict to resolve. The street is different than the district, which provides it most if its notability.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 02:25, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
- You created the separate Prairie Avenue District page. At that time it appears that you considered the topics distinct- how do you reconcile that action with your current position? --Noren (talk) 02:11, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
- As a street, Prairie Avenue is WP:N almost entirely because of the portion in the historic district. Aside from that it is just another street in a big city.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 23:12, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
- Support geog and archCasliber (talk · contribs) 10:43, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
- Support Noren doesn't convince me it's not a three pointer. --Dweller (talk) 11:53, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
- Support Richardkselby (talk) 08:16, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
January 1
3 pts: 2+ yrs since promotion and discovery date. If I remember well, I've tried to put it here last year but it got bumped off. Also, is it a basic subject matter? Nergaal (talk) 21:31, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
- Um, that's six nominations.--Wehwalt (talk) 21:34, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
- Oppose, there are two six-point moon articles coming up in January. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 21:44, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
- Comment I don't want to take a formal position, but I would also say this should be run another time. I know there have been multiple attempts to get this on main page, so I don't think it should have to wait until another New Years. A centennial should take precedence.--Wehwalt (talk) 22:13, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
- Comment agreed as well. The timing sucks with two centennials coming up soon, but this would be nice to have as TFA in a couple of months. Resolute 22:18, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
- Do you have a specific date in mind? Nergaal (talk) 18:01, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
- 11 Feb (Piazzi's last viewing), 24 Aug (classified as dwarf planet), sometime in Feb 2015 (arrival of Dawn Mission). Yomanganitalk 16:34, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
- If you're looking for nice round anniversaries, late June is the 5th anniversary of the first observations of surface features. Shimgray | talk | 19:10, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
- 11 Feb (Piazzi's last viewing), 24 Aug (classified as dwarf planet), sometime in Feb 2015 (arrival of Dawn Mission). Yomanganitalk 16:34, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
- Do you have a specific date in mind? Nergaal (talk) 18:01, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
- I have no specific date identified, but I don't think we have to leave it for a specific anniversary. The article is definitely worthy, it just has the misfortune right now of coming so close to two centennials from the same topic. This is a case where I'd say we could make a request to Raul to give this article the exposure it deserves a couple months from now, regardless of the existence of an anniversary date. Resolute 18:42, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
- Comment leaning toward support - it's not Nergaal's fault that there are two 6 pt. moons coming up. If I read it correctly - this could go through on its own, knocking the others down to 3 pointers, which could still go through. Not an ideal situation, but if it only happens once in a blue moon ... Smallbones (talk) 00:06, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
- Yeah, but let's face it. It is BARELY possible Raul would allow 2 astronomy articles to go through in 10 days, but three? And the fact that this comes first in the calendar really doesn't make a difference. I think this is going to be odd man out no matter how you slice it. Centennial trumps random anniversary in my view.--Wehwalt (talk) 19:48, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
- And more, as soon as the moons are eligible to come on the page, they can bump this, so this nomination is keeping other articles from being nominated in the interim. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 20:00, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
- Yeah, but let's face it. It is BARELY possible Raul would allow 2 astronomy articles to go through in 10 days, but three? And the fact that this comes first in the calendar really doesn't make a difference. I think this is going to be odd man out no matter how you slice it. Centennial trumps random anniversary in my view.--Wehwalt (talk) 19:48, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
- Support Long live physics and astronomy YellowMonkey (bananabucket) (Invincibles finally at Featured topic candidates) 00:35, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
- Weak Oppose - Sorry, but 6 pointers > 3 pointers, as is common sense. ceranthor 15:25, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
- Question is the article a basic subject matter? I mean it was discovered before Neptune, and thus was seen as the 8th planet, and is the first discovered asteroid. Nergaal (talk) 18:01, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
- I don't think so, for whatever my opinion is worth. I don't think 12 year olds would learn about it.--Wehwalt (talk) 19:45, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
- In fact, since it is not basic subject matter, the article it bumped (commented out) should come back and this should be removed. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 20:01, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
- Dear lovely Sandy: don't worry it bumped off a 1-pointer. Nergaal (talk) 06:40, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
- In fact, since it is not basic subject matter, the article it bumped (commented out) should come back and this should be removed. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 20:01, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
- I don't think so, for whatever my opinion is worth. I don't think 12 year olds would learn about it.--Wehwalt (talk) 19:45, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
- Support Raul will pick the articles he wants to pick, but it's a worthy article and science is more important than video games or even Homer Simpson. Recall that a couple of weeks ago the article on the Scottish national hockey team got axed because the Montreal Canadiens centennial was coming up - and then Raul picked a different article for that day. Krakatoa (talk) 22:48, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
- Support per YellowMonkey. We need more physics and hard science articles on the front page. This is a wonderful article, promoted two years age. —mattisse (Talk) 23:10, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
- Oppose We already have two more deserving (point-wise) articles, although it is shame that this article has already been bumped off once. Dabomb87 (talk) 23:15, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
- Support A fine, interesting article well deserving and overdue for an appearance on the main page. The rules already give a huge advantage to articles with anniversaries which look pretty in base 10, I don't see any sense in punishing this article for what appear to me to be petty numerological concerns. --Noren (talk) 02:43, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
- Oppose, while the article deserves a day in the Main Page, the two Galilean moons are more important from a historical standpoint, so those should have priority. It'd be nice if we could have three main astronomy articles in a short span, but I simply don't see it happening. Titoxd(?!? - cool stuff) 08:14, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
- Strong Support I saw it as a vital article 12 year olds should read about, and more topical than ever as it is now a dwarf planet. Casliber (talk · contribs) 11:36, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
- Oppose per Ceranthor and Sandy G. Bad timing. --Dweller (talk) 11:51, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
- Support unless there is something else more new-years-y. I understand the desire to avoid having too many TFAs on one topic, but we can always make an occasional exception for weird circumstances (such as when a bunch of moon centennials/anniversaries fall together—how often does that happen)? And I don't think this is the sort of topic that's going to do anything bad for our reputation—no one's going to look at it think "those monkeys at Wikipedia, all they can write about is moons!" If someone were proposing to run 3 athlete articles in a month, or 3 TV shows or music albums, I would certainly oppose. But astronomical articles like this seem more academic and I don't see any harm in showing them off. rʨanaɢ talk/contribs 16:08, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
- I like this idea, very much. On thinking about it, we give negative points, rather than a flat ban, on repeated topics for a reason - it's to say that doing X is discouraged, but if there are other good reasons then we'll give it due consideration. I say we run Ceres and Ganymede or Callisto both; it's ten or twelve days apart, they're both serious and respectable articles people aren't going to complain about, or feel cheated if we showcase them instead of something else. Shimgray | talk | 19:10, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
- Yes, but the thing is that we do have a rule which says you can't nominate more than one article at a time. I would oppose evading the spirit of the rule by having someone else do the nominating. We've always taken that to mean that you can't have two articles with the same principal contributor on the page at the same time. I'd like to keep to that, there are many FAs, with many authors, and it's good to mix it up.--Wehwalt (talk) 20:35, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
- I don't think the exception here is big enough to warrant IAR. Now, if this were a very underrepresented topic (such as Psychology or Food and drink) I might agree, but astronony TFAs are not too rare. Dabomb87 (talk) 00:04, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
- Nice double standard there. Three moon articles in 13 days is far too much. Resolute 20:37, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
- Support Go physics!!! Richardkselby (talk) 08:13, 8 December 2009 (UTC)