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It looks like a lot of statistics in the intro to this article are outdated. For example, the intro states, "With a population of 6.76 million[10]" and the citation it links to is a 2006 article/ranking. I added to one statement a qualifier that the economy ranking occurred in 2005. With information and rankings changing so fast, is the Wikipedia convention to qualify statements in text with dates? How do we deal with "outdated" information? Another example of this problem is with one of the citations being a dead link. Citation #14, or "and 43rd globally by Foreign Policy's 2010 Global Cities Index.[14]". The link points to http://foreignpolicy.com/node/373401 which is dead. Skiingxmoose (talk) 09:51, 27 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Area

Where is the area coming from for the "city" in the infobox? It's my understanding that Cairo doesn't have a local government apart from the governorate, and that the area of the governerate is 3,085 km2, not 528 km2. So, where is that latter figure coming from? --Criticalthinker (talk) 08:24, 3 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I still don't have an answer on this, though, I do think I have a better understanding having done some more research. The 528 number must be a statistical measurement of the urban or contiguous settled area of the governorate. With some further research, however, I've been able to find that there are indeed administrative divisions below the governorate level. Apparently, under governorates are marakiz (in rural areas) and aqsam (in urban areas), which we could simply call sub-governorates. I guess my question then is whether or not there is a municipal/local government covering Cairo proper at the aqsam/district level? On pages for cities the measurement of the "city" population and area is supposed to correspond to a local government. If there is not an associated goverment for the urban city proper of Cairo then the only measurements you can add in the infobox are the population and area figures for the "urban" (a statistical spacial measurements) and "metro/metropolitan" (a statistical definition of multiple and associated governorates). There does not appear to be an associated loca/municipal government for Cairo, just ones at the sub-governorate (smaller than the city proper) and governorate (larger than the city proper) levels. Cairo Governorate appears to be divided into 41 sub-governorates --Criticalthinker (talk) 01:06, 15 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Timeline of Cairo

What is missing from the city timeline? Please add relevant content. Thank you. -- M2545 (talk) 10:15, 19 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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I would think that the statement that Cairo is 'safer than most major cities' would need some kind of statistical foundation or at least a citation. I can't find anything that confirms this but maybe someone else might be able to prove or disprove this. --Vamanospests (talk) 18:36, 31 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Poor quality montage

The current montage is of poor quality in my opinion, the images are all distorted. Surely there must be a better alternative? Turnopoems (talk) 15:46, 18 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Do you mind specifying particular montage of concern as your subject is not easily discernible? Geo talk 19:49, 23 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Cairo Metropolitan Area

Hi, is it some explanation for Cairo metropolitan area, which is 250 000 km square - what is one quarter of all Egypt area or is it larger than all United Kingdom?--Pimlico27 (talk) 13:25, 16 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I assume the metropolitan area is uses governorates as its building blocks, in which case it would not be surprising that the land area is so expansive. I'd imagine that at least for Egypt a more accurate measure of a metropolitan area would be an urban agglomeration measurement, which would cut out the hundreds-of-thousands of square miles of empty desert within the governorates. --Criticalthinker (talk) 10:29, 7 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Historic sights and landmarks section: too many pictures?

This is a stylistic/aesthetic recommendation, so I wasn't sure whether to put on the talk page first. I suggest the historic sights and landmarks section needs a bit of a clean-up visually, as there are a lot of pictures, some of them overlapping in subject, and it has left a large blank space between sub-sections that seems odd/unnecessary. I helped to expand this section years ago and added the gallery element for lack of a better idea back then. People have added more pictures to the section since then, so I feel like the row gallery at the least could be removed now and the other pictures reorganized to let the text flow better without interruption. [Edit: correcting myself here; the large gap between sections may or may not appear depending on the width/resolution of the screen you're using, so this concern is more secondary after all.]

No strong feelings, just an open suggestion. I made an (admittedly significant) edit and it was reverted, with the reasonable point that the section had been stable for a while. I wouldn't mind getting people's thoughts here about the section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Casual Builder (talk • contribs) 18:41, 5 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Contradictory population figures

The article says that Cairo's population is 19,500,000, while its area is 606 km2. It also says that the density is 19,376/km2. This is an obvious contradiction, but I don't think it's just a matter of recalculating the density—there should be a clearer definition of what the population refers to, right now each figure presented just seems arbitrary. Can anyone with more knowledge on the subject look into it? —Ynhockey (Talk) 06:50, 30 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Who is the Afro centrist that Keeps removing the fact that Cairo is the Biggest city in the Middle East?

Somebody keeps messing with the sources and trying to mess with the fact that Cairo is the largest city in the Middle East. He keeps deleting the section that says "largest city in the Middle East" and the source for that keeps moving to other sections due to the anonymous editor that keeps messing with the first section of the article regarding the fact that Cairo is a Middle Eastern city. I think the Afro centrist thinks that the Middle East is a continent and that the fact that Egypt is both an African and a Middle Eastern country contradict. This is what happens when people in 2019 get no education and instead spend all their time on social media getting their information off of Facebook and Twitter memes. Yes we do live in those times...dark times.. Anyways, here is the source that the person editing this keeps messing with and removing https://www.prlog.org/10332580-cairo-alqahira-is-egypts-capital-and-the-largest-city-in-the-middle-east-and-africa.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by ArabPride (talk • contribs) 07:23, 5 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

What’s your problem??? Egypt is physically on the continent of Africa that makes Egypt an African countries and we are very aware most Egyptians are not black if that’s your worry of being mistaken to be your primitive black brothers and sisters down south. That’s just logic. There’s no such thing as Middle East as far as science is concerned. It was just a coined word used by the British and relative to British. How can someone from Sudan really refer to Egypt as Middle East?? 🤔 Use your common sense. Israel/ Palestine are the gateway to Asia and where Asia starts. So you can associate Egypt with any culture but it won’t change the fact that it is in Africa; the same way if Spain was predominantly Arab and Muslim it would still be European based on its geographical location. So it’s not Afro centrist it’s just common logic and sense. Unless you spear head another continental drift that will allocate Egypt’s departure from the northern most eastern part of our continent and lands over Iraq; Egypt is still African by geography. Nlivataye (talk) 09:09, 10 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Why was "Cityscape" section subsumed under "economy"?

I'm wondering if this was a mistake, but I noticed that the former "cityscape" section was merged into the Economy section during what looks otherwise like a clean-up edit in November 2019. Was there a reason for this? It doesn't seem appropriate, given that the former section was about landmarks, museums, and historical heritage (a commonly separate section in many other city articles (e.g. Paris or Istanbul)), not economics or industry.
If there's no major indication to the contrary, I'll assume this may not have been intentional and will split the section off again. Robert Prazeres (talk) 06:50, 10 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

"Cairo edition"

There is no such thing as "the Cairo edition" of the qurʾān, because there are more than a thousand different editions of the qurʾān — most of Ḥafṣ ʿan ʿĀṣim but some important ones of Warš ʿan Nāfiʿ — published in Cairo, and because the King Fuʾād Edition was not printed in Cairo, but in another governorate. And it was not published on July 10th, 1924. On that day the printing of the qurʾānic text was done, but the dedication to the King with that date in it can only have been produced after that date. Afterwards the back matter was printed, then the books had to be bound. So its publication must have been in 1925.2A02:8109:B6C0:C388:85D1:DE9A:885A:531 (talk) 09:14, 16 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

There is clearly a "Cairo edition" of the Qur'an, and it's easy to look it up (e.g. 1, 2, plus whatever is cited on the page). You removed information that was supported with citations and replaced it with information with no citations. This is original research and is not accepted on Wikipedia (see WP:OR). You will need to argue your point by making reference to reliable sources, or explain a problem with the existing material in a way that will elicit consensus from editors here. Thanks, R Prazeres (talk) 23:37, 25 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
There is NO Cairo edition. The first source is completely wrong, because it calls the 1924 edition Azhar something. Since there are about a thousand different editions from Cairo, "the Cairo edition" can not exist.
The author of the second source, N. Sinai, wrote me that he did not know that there are in this century very different editions, esp. in India, Indonesia, Iran and Turkey. If he could he would change many phrases in his article. Yes, G.S.Reynodls wrote what he wrote, but it is all wrong. He is an expert on the religious (Christian-Muslim) content of the qur'an, but ignorant about printed editions. These quotes are from an expert, but from outside his field of expertise.
The sentences you restored on formal grounds (reliable sources) are wrong. Mine are correct. 2A02:8109:B6C0:C388:BD04:31F5:8478:D28B (talk) 15:38, 5 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Respectfully but frankly, your point doesn't make a lot of sense, since you say there are a "thousand editions" but somehow you think the 1924 edition doesn't exist, despite abundant sources and studies that talk about it... In any case, Wikipedia is based on what reliable published sources say (see WP:RELIABILITY), not on what individual editors believe or what conversations you claim to have had, which is WP:OR as I pointed out above. This section cites plenty of scholarly sources, and there are further sources on other related pages. Even if your perspective were somehow correct and well-justified, Wikipedia is not the place to add it, and there are good reasons why these rules are in place. Thanks, R Prazeres (talk) 16:07, 5 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Addendum: I should have also added that the reverted edits you're referring to didn't actually challenge the existence of the 1924 edition as you're doing here. Your edits were reverted because you deleted a citation for a preceding statement with quotes, then added a comment with no citation. You can add information if you like, but again it must be verified by citations to reliable sources. R Prazeres (talk) 16:30, 5 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, of course, there is a 1924 Gizeh print. It is not a Cairo edition, because it was printed on the other side of the Nile. It is not the Cairo edition, because it is one of many printed in the area.
Yes, I made a mistake. I deleted the citation (G.S.R.) without deleting all of his unproven assertions. But that the 1924 edition was popular or influential all over the Muslim world is wrong -- not just unproven, clearly wrong, because most Muslims are not Egyptians or East Arabs, and they have their own (quite different) editions.
BTW, I am not sure that the chapter on the Gizeh print should be in the article on Cairo.
Addendum: If you go back to the first line of this section, you see that I use the definite article. To deny that there are Cairo editionS would be stupid, but it is illogical that there is THE CE. Martha C. Nussbaum wrote about "the Ayatollah" because she thought there is just ONE, but there are about 5000 in Iran alone. If there were just ONE edition made in Cairo -- or if they were all the same -- one could talk about ... Ignorance, just ignorance, both in the case of Nussbaum (because she is outside her field), and in the case of G.S.R. (because he is here outside his field of expertise).2A02:8109:B6C0:C388:BD04:31F5:8478:D28B (talk) 16:41, 5 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Even if it was printed in Gizeh, this article is not about the Cairo governorate alone (which is merely an administrative division) and Gizeh is part of the Cairo metropolitan area, so it's perfectly reasonable to have this topic mentioned here. And if reliable sources call it the "Cairo edition" then that's what it should be called here; any other name would have to reflect what sources say. As for the rest of what you said, it is again up to you to demonstrate your claims based on reliable sources, which you have so far refused to do. If you want to pursue this point, my suggestion is that you start a new discussion on the talk page at History of the Quran, as this is where the main information on this topic (including the 1924 edition) is found, and so a discussion there is more likely to be useful than here. If you do so, I recommend you make sure that you explain your arguments as clearly as possible (since they were not clear here) and that you refer to appropriate sources to back up any claims you make (if you don't, then it will probably go nowhere again). If a consensus emerges there about new changes or revisions to the information, it will be much easier to make adjustments here (since the section here is just a shortened version of the section there). Sincerely, R Prazeres (talk) 17:15, 5 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Dear R.P., I see you are serious. I hope you see, that I am too. Earlier you wrote "There is clearly a "Cairo edition" of the Qur'an, and it's easy to look it up". Yes, if you look it up in English, but when you look it up in Arabic, you find only things other than the King Fuʾād Edition, the 12 line edition, the Egyptian Government edition of 1924. While "KFE" works both in Arabic and in other languages, "The Cairo edition" does not make sense in Arabic: a bad sign for something Arabic. 2A02:8109:B6C0:C388:BD04:31F5:8478:D28B (talk) 17:25, 5 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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