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Too big?

The template covers three lines of double spaces text. this is too big for a template of this type. CAn I recommend the "Click [show] on the right to review important translation instructions before translating." is removed (It is redundant) and/or the doulbe spacing is removed. -- Alan Liefting (talk - contribs) 23:11, 6 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Placement in page

Some editors[citation needed] including myself[dubious – discuss] do not like have big banner templates at the top of pages. If they are of high importance to the reader all well and good but a lot of templates are for editors only. And they hang around for years. I want to have the recommended usage of this template as being placed in the references section of an article. -- Alan Liefting (talk - contribs) 23:16, 6 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

We have had two RFCs about the placement of this template in the last six months or so, neither of which reached any consensus (mostly for lack of participation)... I don't think you're going to get much of a response. Calliopejen1 (talk) 02:58, 7 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I have BOLDly added a suggested location. It is up to the individual editors as to whether they follow the suggestion. -- Alan Liefting (talk - contribs) 03:13, 7 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
It seems to me that the preferred location in the last RFC was (the top of) the talk page, which seems the best solution to me too, because it seems unprofessional to have such large templates on content pages. --Eleassar my talk 15:39, 19 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Google's machine translation is a useful starting point for translations...

...no it isn't. Please scrap that bullet and replace it with "Google's machine translation can be a useful starting point for understanding the non-English Wikipedia article, but it should not be used for translating content into the English Wikipedia article. Short quotes from machine translation may be placed on the article talk page as a starting point for discussion." Rd232 talk 01:00, 20 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Show

Is there a way that the link that says show could be changed "Show instructions" and then the message "Click [show] on the right for instructions." removed? RJFJR (talk) 21:46, 11 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)#Template:Expand French

I noticed some of these templates on Good articles and thought they were unnecessarily obtrusive. As such last night I made a proposal at the village pump that they should be moved to the talk page. I did not relise that this same proposal had been made here a few times before. As lack of participation was the major reason no consensus was reached here it may garner a better response there. AIRcorn (talk) 20:13, 19 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request on 29 October 2012

Could someone edit the tag so it only takes up one line on the page. I am thinking the best solution would be to remove "Click [show] on the right for instructions." and simply have the show button next to the date on the top line. There may be other improvements that can be gleaned from the Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)#Template:Expand French discussion, but this is one that appears to have consensus (or at least no arguements against). If an admin can get consensus out of any of the other suggestions (whether to have the google translation link, placement of tag etc) that would be a bonus. Regards AIRcorn (talk) 23:43, 29 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

AIRcorn (talk) 23:43, 29 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Please prepare changes in the sandbox before requesting that an edit is made. —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 10:54, 1 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
But I don't know how to make these changes. AIRcorn (talk) 12:17, 1 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think that notice should be reduced - it used to say something like "show important instructions" and perhaps should be made more prominent - it must be clear that people have to read the instructions before acting on the tag, because copyright violations can result from translations without giving appropriate credit, as the hidden text explains how to do. Calliopejen1 (talk) 16:30, 1 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think this is feasible (or at least, it's not straightforward). The template uses {{hidden}}, which requires a header. There's probably a way around that, but personally, I don't think that "click show" line is a problem. For me, the template only becomes intrusive when the "View a machine translated version of the article" stretches it to three lines. It would be easy enough to move that bit into the collapsible part of the template. I think that's what I've done here, but I don't know how to test it without actually implementing it; the line doesn't appear until one of the daughter language templates is used in an article. Could someone who knows about template syntax take a look at the sandbox and check if I've done what I think I have? And would you be happy with that as a solution, Aircorn? DoctorKubla (talk) 16:40, 1 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Still think it would be better as one line like most of the other maintenance tags, which seemed to be the general feeling at the village pump discussion, but this is definitely an improvement. Thanks for your help. AIRcorn (talk) 20:45, 1 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
We should use a more friendly word than "instructions" - maybe "guidelines"? Rich Farmbrough, 05:42, 5 November 2012 (UTC).[reply]
  • Not done for now: I've marked the edit request as "answered" for now. Feel free to reactivate it when there is a clearer consensus for what to do. If someone could add a working version to the sandbox, that would be nice as well. :) — Mr. Stradivarius (have a chat) 12:02, 5 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
What is wrong with DoctorKubla's version? Consensus was pretty clear at the village pump. AIRcorn (talk) 12:47, 5 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Done Sorry, I must be going crazy - for some reason I missed the link to DoctorKubla's sandbox version. I've simplified the code a bit, tested it, and implemented it. I had a brief play around with trying to put the code all on one line, but as DoctorKubla says, I don't think this is possible with {{hidden}}. — Mr. Stradivarius (have a chat) 13:49, 5 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. AIRcorn (talk) 20:55, 5 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

A little late in the day...

I've done some hackish work in reducing the whitespace used by this template in the sandbox. It's not perfect (the "show" text hovers unpleasantly over the rest of it in closed state) but it's getting there. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 09:04, 20 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Add Lao for a google translate

Google translate now supports Lao, so please add Lao to the list of languages avaliable with GT TheChampionMan1234 10:05, 15 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Done. Calliopejen1 (talk) 21:43, 15 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Add template {{Expand Other languages}}

Similarly to the templates {{Expand Spanish}}, {{Expand French}}, etc., let us add a template {{Expand Other languages}} for article expansion from multiple languages, with languages which to expand from as parameters in the format

{{Expand Other languages|language1, language2,...}}

oldid wikipedia article "Pericles"

Mormegil 87.19.63.231 (talk) 21:39, 9 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I built this template and am not clever enough to expand it into taking multiple language parameters. (This will require a decent amount of tinkering/coding.) Perhaps one day an awesome template editor can improve this! Calliopejen1 (talk) 19:42, 10 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
It could be simpler: we can build a simple display for the template letting the editor adding that to specify as text to be displayed in the template the various other languages.
E.g., the template could display the text "This article may be expanded with text translated from the corresponding articles in other languages' Wikipedias." etc., then the text "The languages indicated are:" and then the list of languages as written by the editor. Mormegil 87.20.75.93 (talk) 20:34, 26 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Support, the United States article has 12 or so other language featured articles and is B-Class itself. --occono (talk) 16:44, 9 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Talk page usage

While there may not be agreement about using this template only on talk pages (although that could be revisited) we could at least adapt the template so that it can be used on talk pages. This could easily be achieved by switching to {{tmbox}} when placed on a talk page. Any thoughts? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 20:59, 18 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request on 13 April 2013

Request: Change

...|lo |lt |lv| mk |ml |mt |nl |no |pl...

to

...|lo |lt |lv |mk |ms |mt |nl |no |pl...

Reason: ml: is the code for Malayalam language and ms: for Malay language (verify). Google translate offers translation only to Malay (ms) language and not to Malayalam (ml). This must have occurred[1] accidentally. Tested at the sandbox[2] and checked if it works on /testcases. Thank you. ···Vanischenu「m/Talk」 11:55, 13 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I've set up pages at ml:ഉപയോക്താവ്:Redrose64 and at ms:Pengguna:Redrose64 so am aware of the difference myself, so Done --Redrose64 (talk) 16:12, 13 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you so much!···Vanischenu「m/Talk」 18:40, 13 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Size of the Box

Sorry if this comment duplicates some of the discussion on similar or "related" topics within the last year. I do not think it belongs under any of the "existing" sections of this "Talk:" page.

Today I noticed that, if I use "Ctrl-Minus" to shrink the text size so much that the entire sentence

"Click [show] on the right to read important instructions before translating."

fits on one line, then that entire sentence will also fit within the box that encloses [all or 'most' of] the "Expand <language>" template; but if not, -- (or if I were to use "Ctrl-Plus" to enlarge it [if necessary] such that the sentence requires multiple lines) -- then the second line (or, all lines except the first) of that sentence will NOT fit within the box! ...it seems to appear outside (or: "partly" outside) the box.

I realize that this can be affected by things on my end, but I tried it with 3 different browser programs (Google Chrome, Microsoft Internet Explorer, and Firefox), and the "problem" seemed to be the same with all 3 browsers.

I first noticed this when reading an article in the Enlish Wikipedia (W:en:Haskalah) (at the URL http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haskalah). I was using the Browser Google Chrome (version 27.0.1453.94). The magnification was [already] set to 250%. (But it can be expanded or shrunk, using "Ctrl-Plus" or "Ctrl-Minus".) The last word (only) of the sentence ending with "before translating", was "partly" outside the box. (It was *right* "on the line".)

I spent a little bit of time trying to find the template file (that I thought I 'might' be able to edit), to fix the problem. Then I gave up. I do not know where the change might have to be made. (Is it possible that this "issue" might be generic to all templates where there is some text surrounded by a box? ...or maybe those that contain a "{{hidden}}" tag?) I still do not know where the code (or the script, or whatever it is) is located, that determines the size of the box.

Just a report. Any advice? Thanks, --Mike Schwartz (talk) 01:15, 4 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

No advice, but as I am reading Wikipedia zoomed myself, and just came here to point this out, I second this and hope someone can fix it. (Sadly I have no template editing skills.) --Ørjan (talk) 10:49, 14 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request on 11 September 2013

Change to use #language. The extensibility of ISO 639 name isn't needed here 'cos we're only dealing with other wikis' lang codes. Change is in the sandbox. — Lfdder (talk) 22:34, 11 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Done — Mr. Stradivarius ♪ talk ♪ 10:21, 13 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Expand Norwegian

The articles tagged with Template:Expand Norwegian does not populate the category Category:Articles needing translation from Norwegian Wikipedia. Any experienced editors reading this that knows how to fix it? Mentoz86 (talk) 10:26, 15 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Articles needing translation from Norwegian (Nynorsk) Wikipedia isn't being populated either. I can't work out where the problem lies, but these seem to be the only two cats that are affected. DoctorKubla (talk) 09:31, 16 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request on 20 January 2014

The image isn't working right; it shows the text 'link =' when hovered over. I think it has to be changed from [[File:Translation to english arrow.svg|50x40px|alt = |link = ]] to [[File:Translation to english arrow.svg|50x40px|alt=|link=]] (without the extra spaces). Cathfolant (talk) 21:44, 20 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Yep, that's what needs to be changed. [3] Cathfolant (talk) 21:48, 20 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Done. Obscure licensing point - usually we are only allowed to remove links to images if they are in the public domain, and this one is listed as being licensed as CC-BY-SA 3.0. (That's because CC-BY-SA 3.0 requires attribution.) But the image doesn't look original enough to qualify for copyright, so I went ahead and fulfilled this. — Mr. Stradivarius ♪ talk ♪ 22:01, 20 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Want a template

Can we please have another template that suggests the need for a Simple English Wikipedia version of an English Wikipedia article?

Qwertyxp2000 (talk) 06:00, 28 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Overlapping text

When I click "show" the text that reads "This article may be expanded with text translated from the corresponding article in ..." overlaps "Do not translate text that appears unreliable or low-quality..." Hyacinth (talk) 15:09, 27 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Category tag is in the wrong place

Heya, the category tag for Expand language ZH is showing in the wrong place - i.e. in plaintext as part of the article, rather than being interpreted as a category tag - on Jaw-Shen Tsai. Any ideas? | Naypta✉ opened his mouth at 11:13, 23 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed. You shouldn't add this template directly to an article, it's just a parent for the more specific language templates, eg {{Expand Chinese}}, which you should use instead. DoctorKubla (talk) 15:02, 24 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request: "a" machine-translated version?

In the instructions, the first two lines begin:

  • View a machine-translated version of the French article.
  • Google's machine translation is a useful starting point for translations...

The "view" link always goes to Google and not any other translation software, but Google isn't mentioned until the second bullet point. It should say something like:

  • View a version of the French article machine-translated by Google.
  • Machine translation is a useful starting point for translations...

In the future it would be useful to support links to other translation software if this is available. (I haven't gone looking for thus, but I know Babelfish was around before Google was doing it, and whether they still are or not, there could be others in the future.) Then the instructions might change to something like:

  • View a version of the French article machine-translated by Google, or by your Babel Fish, or by the Universal Translator.
  • Machine translation is a useful starting point for translations...

A second point: the second bullet continues with a suggestion to "revise errors". I think this would read better as "correct errors" or "revise to correct errors". --174.88.134.156 (talk) 20:46, 30 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Wikidata for otherarticle value

Can we default the otherarticle to the Wikidata value for the Wikilink to the article in the other language, if it is defined?

I don't know how we would do this, but I guess it can be done via {{#property:}} or something... {{Wikidata value}} has some clues... Si Trew (talk) 16:14, 14 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Template-protected edit request on 22 February 2016

Please implement the changes from the template's sandbox. I made it automatically get the sitelink from Wikidata if possible and no explicit link is given. nyuszika7h (talk) 21:25, 22 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

 Done — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 12:33, 23 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Please fix spelling: "correspoding article" --> "correspoNding article"

Please add a missing letter N: should be "corresponding article". Thanks! Jodi.a.schneider (talk) 14:51, 12 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Template-protected edit request on 25 April 2016

No one with the ability to do it seems to have noticed the request above. Please correct this spelling. Emeraude (talk) 08:15, 25 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

 Done. Trout for myself and User:Nyuszika7H for not spotting this earlier! — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 08:24, 25 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Template-protected edit request on 1 August 2016


Google translate offers translation in 104 languages, however this template only contains codes for 66 of them, the following were added by google after this template was protected and were never added into the template:
Amharic, Bosnian, Burmese, Cebuano, Chewa, Corsican, Hausa, Hawaiian, Hmong, Igbo, Javanese, Kazakh, Khmer, Kurdish, Kyrgyz, Luxembourgish, Malagasy, Malayalam, Marathi, Mongolian, Maori, Nepali, Pashto, Punjabi, Samoan, Scottish Gaelic, Shona, Sindhi, Sinhalese, Somali, Sotho, Sundanese, Tajik, Uzbek, West Frisian, Xhosa, Yoruba, Zulu
There may be others missing as well, I would add them myself if I could. — Abrahamic Faiths (talk) 20:17, 1 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Here is what the completed list of codes would look like with all the codes, excluding hmong which doesn't have a wikipedia to correspond to:

|af |am |ar |az |be |bg |bn |bs |ca |ceb |co |cs |cy |da |de |el |en |eo |es |et |eu |fa |fi |fr |fy |ga |gd |gl |gu |ha |haw |he |hi |hr |ht |hu |hy |id |ig |is |it |ja |jv |ka |kk |km |kn |ko |ku |ky |la |lb |lo |lt |lv |mg |mi |mk |ml |mn |mr |ms |mt |my |ne |nl |no |ny |pa |pl |ps |pt |ro |ru |sd |sh |si |sk |sl |sm |sn |so |sq |sr |su |sv |sw |ta |te |tg |th |tl |tr |uk |ur |uz |vi |xh |yi |yo |zh |zu = — Abrahamic Faiths (talk) 22:08, 1 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@Abrahamic Faiths: Done --Ahecht (TALK
PAGE) 22:29, 1 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Template-protected edit request on 20 August 2016

Currently the googlelangcode override parameter no longer works, inserting it on a template currently does nothing, both Norwegian (Nynorsk) and Belarusian (Taraškievica) can be translated using google translate but currently these templates do not give option for translation due to this, I also noticed the code for Serbo-Croatian |sh which is not in google translate was in this template and it shows up on the Serbo-Croatian template giving translation option, I also tested here and found that adding in |nn and |be-tarask to the list would allow for translation option. Also as a side note Sotho |st is also missing from the list and needs to be added in as well.

Here would be the complete list with the addition of Nynorsk, Taraškievica and Sotho

|af |am |ar |az |be |be-tarask |bg |bn |bs |ca |ceb |co |cs |cy |da |de |el |en |eo |es |et |eu |fa |fi |fr |fy |ga |gd |gl |gu |ha |haw |he |hi |hr |ht |hu |hy |id |ig |is |it |ja |jv |ka |kk |km |kn |ko |ku |ky |la |lb |lo |lt |lv |mg |mi |mk |ml |mn |mr |ms |mt |my |ne |nl |nn |no |ny |pa |pl |ps |pt |ro |ru |sd |sh |si |sk |sl |sm |sn |so |sq |sr |st |su |sv |sw |ta |te |tg |th |tl |tr |uk |ur |uz |vi |xh |yi |yo |zh |zu = — Abrahamic Faiths (talk) 15:48, 20 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Done Abrahamic Faiths, unless I misunderstand, I don't think googlelangcode override parameter no longer works, but it's just that 3 extra language codes from the sandbox should synced live. Anyway, I've synced to the sandbox along with minor tweaks. Re-open if there are still issues. — Andy W. (talk · ctb) 16:55, 20 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Too disturbing

This tag does not mark a fault, not even a deficiency. It is an exhortation to other editors to do something that the tagging editor cannot or do not want to do herself. Most of the time it is in the interest of the reader that it gets done. But it is not in the interest of the reader to see this tag. The situation is very similar to the stub tag, which has been discussed much more extensively. This tag should follow the example of the stub tag: smaller and placement near the bottom of the page. --Ettrig (talk) 06:38, 8 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

User Ettrig is trying to change the placement of expand language templates without consensus

User:Ettrig has been single handedly trying to relocate the expand language templates to the bottom of pages across multiple pages against the consensus[4], having already begun the process, a few examples shown here[5][6][7][8], and is continuously trying to force this new guideline onto the howto template[9] which is transcluded on the documentation on all the expand templates. I have suggested that things should remain at status quo ante until a proper discussion takes place and consensus is reached, but he continues to revert to his version, if anyone could help mediate this issue that would be great. — Abrahamic Faiths (talk) 17:50, 9 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The provided link does not point at consensus on placing this tag at the top of the article. I have changed the tag placement on a rather large number of articles. I have motivated this above and seen no counter-argument. --Ettrig (talk) 20:38, 9 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
You do realize you are talking about changing tens of thousands of pages, the french category and subcategories alone contain over 10,000 articles with this tag[10], to do this you would either need a team of editors, of which there are currently no volunteers, or a bot which you would need administrative approval for and would be unlikely to get. Also editing thousands of pages at a time is bound to catch the attention of a great many editors and likely won't end well. I have now said all I wish to say and am now going to sit on the sidelines and watch what happens from a distance, good luck. — Abrahamic Faiths (talk) 03:56, 10 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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