Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Aswan Reid
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The result was redirect to The New Boy. 78.26 (spin me / revolutions) 04:15, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
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Premature creation of an article for a child actor making their acting debut in a recently-released film. The actor's media coverage is the recent reviews of the film.
Does not meet WP:ENTERTAINER > "Such a person may be considered notable if: The person has had significant roles in multiple notable films, television shows, stage performances, or other productions". Lapadite (talk) 03:56, 11 July 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. Lapadite (talk) 03:56, 11 July 2023 (UTC)
Weak delete: WP:ENTERTAINER is also under a section marked A person who does not meet these additional criteria may still be notable under Wikipedia:Notability. However, I don't think he quite meets GNG yet – this is also a WP:BLP1E situation for now. I will point out the Sydney Morning Herald source is definitely a good start. Skarmory (talk • contribs) 06:24, 11 July 2023 (UTC)
- Scratch that, weak redirect to The New Boy. Forgot that was an option. Skarmory (talk • contribs) 05:25, 12 July 2023 (UTC)
- Delete. Fails WP:NACTOR. WWGB (talk) 06:41, 11 July 2023 (UTC)
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Delete- one movie role which they've received some good reviews on their performance, but that puts this as WP:BLP1E. -- Whpq (talk) 17:29, 11 July 2023 (UTC)- Redirect would be acceptable. -- Whpq (talk) 13:59, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
- Comment - This is disappointing that it's been listed for a AfD debate given it will only be recreated once he's been in one more movie because then he'll meet WP:ENTERTAINER and given he's been in one movie in which he's received good reviews and caste beside Cate Blanchett I think we can safely assume he will be in more. AlanStalk 01:18, 12 July 2023 (UTC)
- However, WP is not a WP:CRYSTALBALL. We normally don't make articles on currently non-notable subjects just because they could become notable in the future after getting more work in their field. Unless a person is already notable, it's not imperative or necessarily beneficial to create an article the moment they debut in a project. Existing coverage of the child actor is pretty much exclusive to reviews of his performance in the film, and, expectedly, any events the actor attends in promotion of the film. Relevant information (reviews, awards, events) can be presented in the film article, as it pertains to the film, the reason the debut actor is getting coverage. Not only does WP:BLP1E apply at the present time, but notability also isn't inheritable by virtue of the subject's association with a notable entity, and WP:NRV states: "No subject is automatically or inherently notable merely because it exists: the evidence must show the topic has gained significant independent coverage or recognition, and that this was not a mere short-term interest, nor a result of promotional activity or indiscriminate publicity". As with any new artist, the more proper approach is to wait until they have more roles/projects and review the media coverage to see if there is sufficient information beyond routine coverage to warrant a bio article. Lapadite (talk) 20:59, 12 July 2023 (UTC)
- I disagree AlanS, that is far from a safe assumption. Thorton often uses non actors who get good reviews and award nominations who don't go on to any sort of acting career. duffbeerforme (talk) 12:06, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
- However, WP is not a WP:CRYSTALBALL. We normally don't make articles on currently non-notable subjects just because they could become notable in the future after getting more work in their field. Unless a person is already notable, it's not imperative or necessarily beneficial to create an article the moment they debut in a project. Existing coverage of the child actor is pretty much exclusive to reviews of his performance in the film, and, expectedly, any events the actor attends in promotion of the film. Relevant information (reviews, awards, events) can be presented in the film article, as it pertains to the film, the reason the debut actor is getting coverage. Not only does WP:BLP1E apply at the present time, but notability also isn't inheritable by virtue of the subject's association with a notable entity, and WP:NRV states: "No subject is automatically or inherently notable merely because it exists: the evidence must show the topic has gained significant independent coverage or recognition, and that this was not a mere short-term interest, nor a result of promotional activity or indiscriminate publicity". As with any new artist, the more proper approach is to wait until they have more roles/projects and review the media coverage to see if there is sufficient information beyond routine coverage to warrant a bio article. Lapadite (talk) 20:59, 12 July 2023 (UTC)
- Redirect to The New Boy where he has a major role. No need to delete. duffbeerforme (talk) 12:06, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
- Redirect to The New Boy. If/When he has other roles, this article can be resurrected. Joyous! Noise! 18:46, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
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