Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Chiragh Kush

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The result was draftify‎. ✗plicit 14:37, 14 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Chiragh Kush

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As far as I can work out this is SYNTH/OR/hoax territory. Massively over-cited (118 citations in all, some sentences having ten or more citations), conflating all sorts of religious libels under one banner (an Iranian phrase that appears to actually mean a shameful work or deed done in the dark), this odd and sweeping bunch of seemingly unconnected assertions needs to go - perhaps one day to be replaced by something cogent and well put together, who knows? Alexandermcnabb (talk) 12:15, 7 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: History, Religion, and Iran. Alexandermcnabb (talk) 12:15, 7 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. Looks to be a copy-paste job from these two third party wikies. 1 and 2. Qcne (talk) 12:21, 7 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: at best, it needs a little TNT. Chamaemelum (talk) 12:30, 7 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - page does not exist on the Farsi (Persian) Wikipedia.

--A. B. ^{(talk • contribs • global count)} 12:43, 7 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Draft We need better sourcing about this. Seems like it could be notable, but wow TNT first. Oaktree b (talk) 14:13, 7 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, I am the author of the page and I have to disagree that page should not be deleted.

It is not original research as the first citation mentioned Chiragh Kush as legitimate name by scholars in the source: https://www.jstor.org/stable/10.13173/zeitdeutmorggese.164.1.0129

Citation 58 and 59 also connects with the libel used in Roman times with the Ottoman times as the Ottoman did use the term Chiragh Kush. So it is not a random unconnected synthesis.

Also I did not copy those info from other wikis since most of those other wikis are fandom based and the fact that are almost no info about the topic I could have copy from.

Also for why the page does not exist in Persian Wikipedia, the Ottomans, Indian Muslims and Central Asians used the Persian language as a literay language and they are the one mainly wrote the Chiragh kush, not the Iranians themselves. Yaujj13 (talk) 04:50, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Also, you should have put the deletion sorting for Wiki project Turkey instead of Iran as for my reason in the last paragraph. Yaujj13 (talk) 04:56, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Turkey-related deletion discussions. A. B. ^{(talk • contribs • global count)} 17:48, 9 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Draft Yaujj makes some valid points in their response, and others should read it. However, the conflation here is way too much. Either the concept is Chiragh Kush and it refers to a type of libel in the Islamic world, or a broader concept needs to be found. Just because the Muslim-Persianate concept has a somewhat direct relationship with the Christian concept, does not require their conflation, and definitely not under the name Chriagh Kush. It is also oversourced, but that can be fixed a lot more easily. Uness232 (talk) 06:29, 9 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Draftify due to multiple problems such as excessive citations/sources and unclear focus. The article needs thorough editing to solve issues including the use non-RS, and possibly synthesis and original research. Aintabli (talk) 14:37, 13 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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