Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mizna Waqas

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The result was no consensus. Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 15:09, 10 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Mizna Waqas

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Subject does not appear to meet relevant notability guidelines WP:ACTOR and lacks non-trivial coverage from independent reliable sources. Steps were taken to locate sources WP:BEFORE this nomination, but were not successful. Saqib (talk) 05:28, 13 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. Tyw7 (🗣️ Talk) — If (reply) then (ping me) 10:03, 13 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions. Tyw7 (🗣️ Talk) — If (reply) then (ping me) 10:03, 13 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Pakistan-related deletion discussions. Tyw7 (🗣️ Talk) — If (reply) then (ping me) 10:03, 13 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep as has prominent roles in national television series including Peek-A-Boo Shahwaiz, and Saaya (Geo TV), as well as recurring roles in many other series, passes WP:NACTOR with the prominent roles. thanks, Atlantic306 (talk) 10:54, 13 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The subject has had no major role in Saaya. Peek-A-Boo Shahwaiz is now up for deletion. --Saqib (talk) 13:43, 2 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Nominated by yourself despite it being a nationally broadcast TV series passing WP:TVSERIES Atlantic306 (talk) 17:38, 2 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Play Entertainment is not considered a national national TV station. --Saqib (talk) 17:56, 2 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Being in a run of the mill show is pretty worthless in my opinion but the total lack of coverage is what sways me to say delete. CHRISSYMAD ❯❯❯¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 15:08, 13 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

*Keep being appeared in multiple television shows. Appeared in supporting role in acclaimed series Mera Naam Yousuf Hai and Suno Chanda for which her name is also mentioned in this [1], [2],[3],[4] and this [5]. She only did supporting roles till mid of 2018 and if there are multiple roles then also passes requirement of wikipidea. From August 2018 she has appeared in a prominent role in Peek-A-Boo Shahwaiz which is currently airing, one can check episode title from official youtube page.[6]. RidaJunejo.

And yet every single one of those is a passing mention. CHRISSYMAD ❯❯❯¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 15:28, 13 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

- have you searched in Urdu for sources? Also images.dawn has the same editorial team as Dawn so it is a reliable source, thanks Atlantic306 (talk) 16:14, 13 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

And a buzzfeed like list with a single passing mention is irrelevant no matter who the editorial team is. CHRISSYMAD ❯❯❯¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 16:48, 13 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

it wasn't a list, it was a story about a tv series, thanks Atlantic306 (talk) 17:15, 13 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Atlantic306: And have you searched in Urdu sources for coverage ? I did and found nothing significant. Don't just insist there must be sources out there somewhere, prove it by providing them. And second thing, Dawn and Dawn Images have different editorial team, for your information. Dawn Images is more like a tabloid news site.--Saqib (talk) 17:01, 13 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Dawn images is owned by Dawn and lists the same editorial team Atlantic306 (talk) 17:13, 13 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Guess you need to meet Dawn Images team. --Saqib (talk) 17:23, 13 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

It is owned by Dawn and Dawn appointed the staff Atlantic306 (talk) 17:38, 2 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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But so many passing mentions as one can see. For notability there is condition of multiple roles too as i have seen in other pages of this platform. RidaJunejo.

You're misunderstand I guess. WP:NACTOR states Has had significant roles in multiple notable films, television shows, stage performances, or other productions. --Saqib (talk) 17:40, 13 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

No I dont, Ghar Titli Ka Par, Suno Chanda, Mera Naam Yousuf Hai, Aik Thi Raniya, Mann Ke Moti etc all are the acclaimed and notable television shows of their time. For her stage performance, i already showed you source from The News International.

Not only Dawn but Pakistan Today which i provided above and this one [7] from The News International mentioned her. Dawn is a daily newspaper of Pakistan, here we are only gather for one person's notability not any controversial news for which you think its tabloid etc.RidaJunejo

I've reviewed all the sources, and see nothing but casual namedrops, and mention in passing, which longstanding practice holds cannot be used to support the notability of the subject. In no source presented can I find the subject discussed with the "significant coverage" WP:GNG requires. --Saqib (talk) 17:38, 13 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Saqib for actor, there is a rule of multiple roles too which you are ignoring. And if we are looking for primary sources then a bunch of sources about her are available like these [8],[9], [10] She has appeared in more than 20 Television serials and many of the pages are created at wikipidea too. Also in her biography there is no any contents like advertisement or promotion, its just a list of her roles and shows. — Preceding unsigned comment added by RidaJunejo (talk • contribs)

As I states above, WP:NACTOR requires significant multiple roles. A bunch of source you listed (moviesplatter, pakistani.pk, dramaguru) are not reliable enough to be cited on BLPs. The standard set for sources to support claims within an article is a lower standard than that for sources to establish WP:N. My comments are concerned with sources used to establish notability. And I don't think the provided sources meet the criteria for establishing notability. --Saqib (talk) 17:51, 13 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

They dont established notability you are right. But being appeared in bunch of acclaimed national TV shows and bunch of mentioned in RS make person notable, its my views and difference of thought is not something wrong. You are right too, lets wait for others. RidaJunejo.

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 14:16, 14 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per Atlantic306 - Their roles in notable TV programmes/Films would push them over the NACTOR threshold, Meets NACTOR & BASIC. –Davey2010^Talk 21:15, 21 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The subject has had no major role in multiple TV serials. --Saqib (talk) 13:58, 2 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Further analysis of the substance of the sources, rather than their existence, would be helpful in determining consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Vanamonde (talk) 09:58, 22 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, 78.26 _{(spin me / revolutions)} 21:12, 30 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note to closing admin Absence of significant coverage as required by GNG, and none of the keep votes has put forward any policy based argument. --Saqib (talk) 07:07, 1 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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WP:NACTOR states significant roles in multiple notable films, television shows, stage performances, or other productions. Her supporting roles in many notable national TV programmes for which her name is also mentioned in WP:RS sources of that programmes which are linked above proves that she was part of that shows and passes that notability guideline. Also there is one lead role in serial Peek-A-Boo Shahwaiz and there are dozens of Pakistani television articles on wikipidea linked to her also proves that she was appeared in that programmes.RidaJunejo (talk) 10:32, 2 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Lead role in only one TV serial is not enough. supporting role is not equivalent to significant roles. --Saqib (talk) 10:58, 2 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

This platform has so many actor articles who are famous for their supporting roles only like Charlene Holt, Achint Kaur etc and you are saying supporting is not equivalent to significent. Any ways supporting roles in dozens of television programmes and notable theatre [11] is not something important?. This source clearly said Samina (played by Mizna Waqas) takes centre stage with her tragic story. RidaJunejo (talk) 11:13, 2 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia has many BLPs which fails WP:N therefore we do not go by the examples on Wikipedia per WP:OTHERSTUFF. The one you mentioned is not a notable stage performance so I don't care whether she took centre stage or not. Anyways, I've made my arguments so Instead of discussing it further, I will leave it onto the closing admin to make final decision. --Saqib (talk) 12:31, 2 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I was not known to WP:OTHERSTUFF, sorry for that. Besides that i dont understand what is reliable for you and whats not, source from The News International is not reliable for you and that theatre is non notable, i presented lines from newspaper which said about her centre stage but still non notable according to you. I already leaved discussion that day when i told you about "wait for other's views" and today i was not agreed to the Note you written that's why replied. Anyways Good day.RidaJunejo (talk) 12:44, 2 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

You're misinterpreting my comments. --Saqib (talk) 13:17, 2 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete – current coverage is not enough to pass WP:SIGCOV and WP:GNG. Much of them are name-checks only, fails WP:ANYBIO. Störm (talk) 15:05, 2 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Block evasion RidaJunejo is blocked for block evasion: (Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Lillyput4455) so I suggest their comments be struck down. --Saqib (talk) 17:11, 2 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Comment prominent roles does not mean only leading roles, being in the main cast of a national TV series counts as prominent and Waqas has been in the main cast of many TV Series so easily passes WP:NACTOR, regards Atlantic306 (talk) 17:38, 2 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per Chrissymad and Störm above. Minor roles in two major TV shows (according to reliable sources), lacks evidence of notability, therefore fails WP:NACTOR which requires significant roles in multiple productions. GSS (talk|c|em) 18:10, 2 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

You are forgetting a starring role in a national TV series and only looking at the article's refs rather than searching for others Atlantic306 (talk) 18:49, 2 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

- - This here is the original version of the article before it was slashed Atlantic306 (talk) 18:55, 2 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    - Are you serious? who said I only looked at the current references? A Google News search yields only (only) 9 hits and all are name-checks also if you really care about this origionl research which I slashed under WP:BURDEN why not to cite some reliable soruce and prove it? GSS (talk|c|em) 04:36, 3 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

This article was created and later expanded by the different socks of User:Pakistanpedia so it also falls under G5. --Saqib (talk) 21:33, 2 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

- No, its had major edits by a number of editors including GSS Atlantic306 (talk) 18:58, 4 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I'm fairly sure GSS would disagree with you. CHRISSYMAD ❯❯❯¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 14:04, 7 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

100 percent and my edits shouldn't be considered substantial in any way. GSS (talk|c|em) 15:00, 7 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Impartial observer comment: GSS has not contributed to the article in any meaningful sense, he has merely performed maintenance tasks. It appears the editors that have added meaningful content to this article are Shariq554 and Lillyput4455. The article was created by Shariq554, who does not appear to be a blocked or banned editor. AwaisRaza3000, a sock of Pakistanpedia, merely created a redirect. 78.26 _{(spin me / revolutions)} 15:19, 7 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

And RidaJunejo (talk · contribs) was a sock of Pakistanpedia. --Saqib (talk) 15:44, 7 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

You are correct, I didn't go deep enough into the SPI. I have corrected my earlier statement. There have been three substantial editors, one of which was a sockpuppet, but the sockpuppet is not the article creator. 78.26 _{(spin me / revolutions)} 16:04, 7 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per Atlantic306. Has major roles in significant TV series. Passes ~~WP:GNG~~ WP:NACTOR at least. Knightrises10 (talk) 13:35, 7 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Knightrises10: And how? care to explain to us? --Saqib (talk) 15:16, 7 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

"Has had significant roles in multiple notable films, television shows, stage performances, or other productions" Knightrises10 (talk) 15:33, 7 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

And which are those? Did you read the comment that refutes that just below the nomination? CHRISSYMAD ❯❯❯¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 15:35, 7 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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