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Did you know... that Shirley Chisholm was the first African American candidate for president of the United States for a major political party when she campaigned during the 1972 election?

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On 10 January 2022, it was proposed that this article be moved to African-American candidates for president of the United States. The result of the discussion was no consensus.

Article history

This article was spun off from the history of the Black president in popular culture article and there are versions of this article that are much more expansive. There was a lot of content about theorizing in regards to speculation about certain former presidents having African American ancestors for example. I'm just letting people know in case they want to have a look into that history and see what was there. ChildofMidnight (talk) 05:19, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Just to update anyone interested, the discussion of historians investigating possible African American heritage of former presidents has been move to the African-American heritage of United States presidents article. ChildofMidnight (talk) 08:11, 29 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

several

While the lead in mentions "Several" candidates in the last half of the 20th century, the article only mentions three, Shirley Chisholm , Jesse Jackson and Barack Obama, suggest this be expanded.--kelapstick (talk) 18:53, 30 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It has only been a few. The article List of African-American United States presidential and vice presidential candidates has a fuller accounting of mostly minor third-party candidates and independents who never made much impact on the national campaigns or elections.--Parkwells (talk) 19:56, 30 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Well it has been a few "serious" candidates from major parties, but there have been several candidatse. I can think of several off the top of my head. Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, Alan Keyes, Barack Obama, Shirley Chisholm and then there were candidates from smaller parties. So I agree it needs to be expanded. How about putting a disambig. link to the other article at the top of the page? ChildofMidnight (talk) 21:33, 30 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Another significant candidate was Lenora Fulani. Pinkville (talk) 01:21, 3 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Cynthia McKinney... duh. (2008 election, for chrissake!) Pinkville (talk) 19:14, 4 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

For some reason, despite the broad name of the article, the lede was narrowed to major party candidates a while ago [1].

I agree an article on the subject need not address every candidate found in the List. However, it seems odd to exclude information about the first candidate on a ballot, first candidate of an established party, and candidates on the ballot in enough states to theoretically win the election. I'm not sure why Chisholm is said to be the first Democratic Party candidate; it seems to be Channing E. Phillips who was. Possibly subsequent major primary candidates for the major parties should be included as well. Marginal primary candidates for major parties, primary candidates for minor parties, and minor party candidates not on the ballot in enough states to theoretically win would still be excluded. This would continue to maintain a reasonable length for the article.

Also, is there any reason why there's not a link to Black president in popular culture (United States)? That would seem to be fine as a See also, or if there's some reliable source(s) on the effect of fictional candidates on having/voting for real candidates, it could go there. There's also some info missing about Morrison's followup to her original statement.

Please see my comments at Category talk:African American United States presidential candidates; it would be nice to get some more info regarding George Edwin Taylor, Blanche Kelso Bruce and C.C. Foote (regardless of whether they're considered relevant for this article; the info could find homes elsewhere). Шизомби (talk) 07:26, 13 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Carol Moseley Braun

No Carol Moseley Braun mentions in the article? Neutrality^talk 18:32, 4 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Move discussion in progress

There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:African-American gospel which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. —RMCD bot 23:18, 18 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Sources

Article needs more sources and has been tagged accordingly. SunCrow (talk) 19:45, 16 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

George Edwin Taylor not major party?

If this article covers only candidates from major parties, why is George Edwin Taylor included? Goustien (talk) 02:44, 27 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 10 January 2022

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: no consensus. (closed by non-admin page mover) Extraordinary Writ (talk) 07:23, 23 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

– I've already nominated the relevant categories a few weeks ago as seen here. My basic premise is that while the capitalization could be permissible within the scope of MOS:JOBTITLES (the noun phrase is not modified with an article), I contend that candidates inherently run for offices, not for titles. As the manual of style points out, titles may be capitalized, but offices are common nouns and should be lowercase. So in keeping with the spirit of MOS:JOBTITLES, I would recommend moving these pages accordingly. Woko Sapien (talk) 18:19, 10 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Support. Rreagan007 (talk) 05:21, 11 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose it looks wrong -- there's an effort to always lowercase "president" but it doesn't work here. Also, I disagree with I contend that candidates inherently run for offices, not for titles - at least when dealing with unlikely candidates for President of the United States many of them are running for the title. User:力 (powera, π, ν) 18:47, 15 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support We aren't don't capitalize the subject in articles like president of the Republic of China or List of presidents of France, and there's no reason why adding candidates would be different. --Yaksar (let's chat) 21:04, 16 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Notice Thank you everyone for your input! I'm keeping a tally of where editors stand on this topic on my category proposal, since these articles and the similarly named categories seem inextricable--Woko Sapien (talk) 20:28, 17 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Definite oppose. All of these offices/job titles are proper nouns and should therefore be capitalized.-- Aervanath (talk) 20:37, 18 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. President of the United States is an office and a title, hence a proper name. These are candidates for that office. — Amakuru (talk) 14:10, 19 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

As a note to the two !votes above, we don't even capitalize titles like president of the United States, let alone for candidates for the position.--Yaksar (let's chat) 17:04, 19 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.