Talk:Muv-Luv/Archive 1
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Disambiguation
I'm against it. How'd you split it up, anyway? Extra and Unlimited are part of the same game, and Alternative is too closely linked to Unlimited. Omgwtflolz 16:30, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
- Since there aren't any objections, I'll just go remove that thing. Omgwtflolz 18:21, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
Charcater details are big spoilers.
You should really consider removing the details about the characters. Especially Sumika Kagami and 00-Unit are huge spoilers first revealed a good way in the final game. Having those later in the article might be alright since it's a warning there.
- "...Wikipedia, which strives first to inform, spoilers or not..." Omgwtflolz 11:26, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
removed interwiki link
At the bottom of the article, there were two interwiki links: ja:マブラヴ and ja:マブラヴ オルタネイティヴ. I removed the latter because you should only link to one page for a given language. Otherwise, it's confusing... in the "other languages" section (on the sidebar in the default Monobook skin), it says this: "日本語 日本語"—and there's nothing to differentiate the two links (other than mousing over the link to see where it goes, but not everybody is that web-savvy). That's bad. So you need to decide which link is better to keep. I decided to keep ja:マブラヴ because it looks like it's the main article, but of course you can keep the other one instead if there's a compelling argument to do so. - furrykef (Talk at me) 00:15, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
- Each article is about a game, and this article covers each heavily. Both links should be kept. There is no "main" article. Omgwtflolz 09:05, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
- But the way the two links appear is unacceptable. Consider this sentence: "You can view this page in Japanese or in Japanese." Does that make any sense to you? Does the sentence provide any indication that the two pages "in Japanese" are different? But that's the way the links appear when you have both of them. It's just not acceptable. You have to find some other solution, like splitting this page into two and having each link to its corresponding Japanese article. That's what I'm inclined to do. - furrykef (Talk at me) 23:01, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
Article Cleanup
this article is writen in a very confusing way. Is missing the synopsis for the original game (muv-luv) and it's heavily concentrated on the character description. Also, some frases like "brain in a tube" such like to describe a character are not proper for wikipedia. Overall, please do not remove the "article cleanup" tag and contribute.
Thank you Minako-Chan* 22:24, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
Needs to include Muv-Luv: Total Eclipse
The new game "Muv-Luv: Total Eclipse" has just been realised. If someone has information about it, please do include it into the article. thanks Minako-Chan* 15:40, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
Too many images.
18 images (without fair use rationale at that) is far too many for this article. Effort needs to be made in lowering this number.--SeizureDog (talk) 06:38, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
The Euro Front
Hi.
Hobby Japan have been including their own side-story, The Euro Front, for the Alternative timeline. As the name suggests, this one is set in the European theatre of war. It seems to go more for Senjutsuki derived from units in our universe such as the Rafale and Eurofighter, and has a different cast again to those in Total Eclipse and Alternative itself. Is there anyone who can speak with more authority on the subject that could add a section for this side-story? --Nerroth (talk) 21:39, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
Which came first?
The intro paragraph currently says Muv-Luv is "a Japanese series of adventure games for the PC by âge. It was later adapted into fandiscs, comics, and novels", but the sidebar box shows the first manga as being in 2002 while the game was in 2003. Was the manga adapted from an unreleased game? Is the manga year wrong? Was the game adapted from the manga?
The article could use an initial section breaking down the media and history, instead of splitting that up all over the page. 24.16.57.110 (talk) 02:32, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
Characters
Also moving this form the article until it gets cleaned up.
Character section
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Total Eclipse
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—Farix (t | c) 02:31, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
Article cleanup
I've tried to reformat the sections, but there is a lot of extraneous information here and not enough information about the media franchise itself. I'm going to work on consolidating the games and manga sub-sections while filling out the novel and anime sections. I'll probably be splitting out some things out into sub articles, like the mess that calls itself a character section, and try to determine what is trivia and what isn't. Unfortunately, this entire article is unsourced at the moment, making that difficult. —Farix (t | c) 19:56, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
- I've concluded most of the cleanup of the article. Most of what I removed was either excessive details or flat out original research. I've also added references to the game, manga, and novel releases and reorganize the article so that things are not just randomly thrown around. I still need to expand on the Novels and Gameplay sections as well as the lead. I also need to find information about the Xbox 360 re-releases and and it to the release history section. The article has came a long way since this version and I hope that the assessment rating improves to a C-class as a result. —Farix (t | c) 20:41, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
- Dumping a couple of links here for the Xbox 360 version. —Farix (t | c) 02:25, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
Hooray for Wikipedia policies resulting in less informative articles. --85.78.115.142 (talk) 20:36, 6 August 2011 (UTC)
- Less informative? The only stuff that was removed was the unverifiable content and the character section, which needs a complete rewrite as it is badly formatted and isn't informative at all. —Farix (t | c) 23:12, 6 August 2011 (UTC)
- This one format is terrible. 99.234.228.140 (talk) 04:29, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
- Less informative? The only stuff that was removed was the unverifiable content and the character section, which needs a complete rewrite as it is badly formatted and isn't informative at all. —Farix (t | c) 23:12, 6 August 2011 (UTC)
- In what way is it "terrible"? The article is structured similarly to similar articles about visual novel: Air, Clannad, Ef: A Fairy Tale of the Two., Kanon, Kud Wafter, Little Busters!, Moon., One: Kagayaku Kisetsu e, Otome wa Boku ni Koishiteru, Planetarian: Chiisana Hoshi no Yume, Popotan, Shuffle!, Steins;Gate, and Tomoyo After: It's a Wonderful Life. There are still plenty of parts missing and far from being classified as a Good Article like the ones I've mentioned, but it's much better than what it was before. —Farix (t | c) 23:50, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
- At least finish putting the characters in the article. No one with a passing moment is gonna look in here.99.234.228.140 (talk) 06:41, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
- The character section needs a serious overhaul before it gets added back into the article, if at all. But the character section is not as important as a well written plot summary. If the summary is written well enough, then there should be no need for a character section. —Farix
- At least finish putting the characters in the article. No one with a passing moment is gonna look in here.99.234.228.140 (talk) 06:41, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
- In what way is it "terrible"? The article is structured similarly to similar articles about visual novel: Air, Clannad, Ef: A Fairy Tale of the Two., Kanon, Kud Wafter, Little Busters!, Moon., One: Kagayaku Kisetsu e, Otome wa Boku ni Koishiteru, Planetarian: Chiisana Hoshi no Yume, Popotan, Shuffle!, Steins;Gate, and Tomoyo After: It's a Wonderful Life. There are still plenty of parts missing and far from being classified as a Good Article like the ones I've mentioned, but it's much better than what it was before. —Farix (t | c) 23:50, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
(t | c) 12:40, 18 August 2011 (UTC) Why don't you follow the Jap Muvluv wiki format? The characters and other stuff deleted was based off there, and the unsourced data is because the articles are from the various Fan Books released by AGE during comiket or from the supplement material. There are over 40 fan books out there for ML by now.(158.117.22.33 (talk) 08:39, 13 December 2011 (UTC))
Related media
- Many characters from Muv-Luv make appearances in other games by âge. Several Muv-Luv characters appear in Akane Maniax, a Kimi ga Nozomu Eien spinoff and Muv-Luv's prequel. Sumika makes an appearance in the Kimi ga Nozomu Eien ～special FanDisk～ short story "True Lies", in which she is the leader of the shokkaku-jinrui, known as the Red Führer. And finally, several Muv-Luv characters appear in the web anime Ayumayu Gekijou, and the fourth episode is little more than a parody of Muv-Luv Alternative.
I've moved the above from the article for the time being. At this point, it seems rather trivial unless some reliable sources can be cited regarding their significances. —Farix (t | c) 02:17, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
- Very belated comment: It is next to impossible to find sources for VNs, since they aren't exactly things displayed to the general public on TV, and reputable sites don't dump plot spoilers everywhere. So, that's a tall order. θvξrmagξ contribs 05:36, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
Total Eclipse anime
Could you add episode summaries of Total Eclipse not to mention its list of characters appearing generally in the ML franchise ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by MisaoFan (talk • contribs) 21:10, 30 July 2012 (UTC)
Japanese only?
By not mentioning other language releases, the article suggests that the game is available only in Japanese. Is this indeed the case? If so, we should probably state this directly ("the game has only been released in the Japanese language version"). --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:43, 10 December 2013 (UTC)
Working on Updates
Currently working on a number of updates to this page in anticipation of the English release. Apologies in advance for any errors. I'm unfamiliar with some of the side stories, so I'll have a blind spot there. Dexomega (talk) 02:27, 24 September 2015 (UTC)
Merge back character lists
Somehow the character lists was split out to three different articles:
- List of Muv-Luv Alternative: Total Eclipse characters
- List of Muv-Luv characters
- List of Schwarzesmarken characters
This makes no sense. The individual titles do not even have separate articles, so why would a character list get special treatment? The size and number of main characters does not warrant the split either. They are not independently notable by secondary sources. That some of them are crossed with other company titles such as Rumbling Hearts or Akane Maniax doesn't guarantee notability. So they need to go back to the main article. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 00:33, 30 March 2016 (UTC)
- I have no problem with your proposal, if you don't get a response within x amount of days I would go with WP:SILENCE. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 23:57, 30 March 2016 (UTC)
- This wouldn't be the case for all character lists, but I have yet to see if your merge would be contested on this one. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 13:20, 31 March 2016 (UTC)
- Are there a lot of crossover between Muv-Luv and it's spinoffs other than being set in the same universe? If not, then I would recommend against any merger, though I would suggest that List of Muv-Luv characters simply be made a redirect as it doesn't actually add anything. Note that I moved the original character list form the article to the talk page because in needed serious cleanup, and that list is no better. We may even want to look at spinning out Total Eclipse and Schwarzesmarken into their own articles while this article focuses on the original game and its media adaptions. —Farix (t | c) 13:47, 31 March 2016 (UTC)
- @TheFarix: Of those three articles there are only two sources present which makes the bulk WP:OR. The problem is that there is no way to confirm that the info isn't from a fans point of view. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 16:00, 31 March 2016 (UTC)
- Agreed—merge or redirect the lot, especially if no one has new secondary & reliable sources czar 17:13, 3 April 2016 (UTC)
@AngusWOOF, Knowledgekid87, TheFarix, and Czar: I would consider making List of Muv-Luv characters the target for the merge if there is to be a split. At this point I think that at least Total Eclipse can be split off as suggested by Farix (see the refideas boilerplate above (oldid link)). Regards. – Allen4names (contributions) 05:15, 9 September 2016 (UTC)
- WP articles follow the source material. If there isn't significant coverage in multiple reliable, independent sources (?) on the characters as a separate entity, they will belong as sections in their main corresponding articles, whichever they are
czar 08:17, 9 September 2016 (UTC)
- Okay, I have looked into it and I have three suggestions. 1:
MoveMerge List of Muv-Luv Alternative: Total Eclipse characters to Muv-Luv Alternative: Total Eclipse and edit it using the references now in the refideas boilerplate above. 2: Delete List of Muv-Luv characters unless some reference or other content can be merged into the main article (I don't see any) as I don't see any point in leaving a redirect without it. 3: Move the Schwarzesmarken list to be an article or merge it into Total Eclipse as they are related. – Allen4names (contributions) 15:45, 9 September 2016 (UTC)
- Okay, I have looked into it and I have three suggestions. 1:
- As of July 2017, the current handling of character lists is atrocious. About half of this article - the main article for the entire franchise - is a character list for Total Eclipse, a spinoff of minor importance. If separate articles for the spinoff character lists doesn't make sense, merging only one into the main article (and one that's not the original VN itself) makes even less sense. Right now, this article would confuse the hell out of anyone looking to it for a basic understanding of the Muv-Luv franchise, largely because of this distraction. Strongly suggest the TE character list be deleted. Invalidname (talk) 19:44, 25 July 2017 (UTC)
Split "Muv-Luv" into "Schwarzesmarken"
As Schwarzesmarken follows a different story with other characters, I think Schwarzesmarken should get an article separated from other Muv-Luv media. There are articles for this series in Japanese, Chinese, and German, all of them with references. Daikage (talk) 14:36, 18 November 2017 (UTC)
- Schwarzesmarken certainly does deserve a separate page, but given this page includes information about a ton of Muv-Luv spinoffs and related media, it doesn't seem to have so much information about it that any would elude the scope of this article. Feel free to make a separate article about it, however. Nuke (talk) 02:39, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
Article Cleanup
I've taken it upon myself to clean up the spelling errors and a bunch of other errors within this article.
If anyone wants to help, feel free to.