User talk:Jaobar

Hi. Welcome to my talk page.--Jaobar (talk) 17:54, 15 November 2018 (UTC)

Discussion

This is a great article.--Jaobar (talk) 16:57, 28 September 2017 (UTC)

This article should be improved.--Jaobar (talk) 16:57, 28 September 2017 (UTC)

Thank you for your criticism, what should be improved?--Jaobar (talk) 16:57, 28 September 2017 (UTC)

The citations. --Jaobar (talk) 16:57, 28 September 2017 (UTC)

Mass-messaging users

Hi there. I noticed you are currently mass-messaging administrators about a project of yours. While we usually do not mind such requests, you should not do so from your own account. Instead, you should ask for someone with a message-delivery bot to sent the message in your name (see Category:Newsletter delivery bots for a list of bots created for this purpose - you can find their owners on their user pages). Bots are programs that handle such repetitive tasks without limitations and which can be blocked by users not wishing to be left such messages. Also, that way your contributions history will not be filled with countless edits that are essentially the same. Regards SoWhy 15:59, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

Thanks so much for this info. Any idea what percentage of admins block the bots? --Jaobar (talk) 16:07, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

I am busy with a computer bug right now at work, but I will get back to you in a few days about this project. I am being forced to use a financial aid computer acces right now while it's being fixed. Bearian (talk) 16:50, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

I can help some with this question. Technically all unapproved bots are blocked and rarely approved bots are blocked if they are off task. There is an approval process that must be gone through for bots. The percentage of us that block them at any given time is hard to quantify because not all admins are active all the time, there are however admins that watch the approved bots on the bot page. Hope that helps. «»Who?¿? 01:59, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

MSU interview

I will happily talk to your students, under certain conitions.

It would have to be by e-mail, as we have a significant time difference and I am at work during the day.

The student would have to be an account-holder within wikipedia; failing that I cannot accept the motivation which you stipulate.

They would have to have satisfied the basic qualifications for consideration for adminship; not less than six months experience here, not less than 3,000 edits, and no serious recorded misbehaviour.

They would have to have demonstrated, by the nature of their edits, a commitment to the project. --Anthony Bradbury^"talk" 20:44, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for your message. If you change your mind, please let us know. Best, --Jaobar (talk) 21:08, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

Just a clarification on the interview, the purpose of it is to provide the students with a knowledge of how Wikipedia's admin body works and what motivates them on this project? Judging from Anthony's comment, it would seem that he had interpreted the main purpose of the interview is to train your students on becoming future admins on this project. —Dark 13:42, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

You are correct. As I said in the posting, we want to learn about what you do and why you do it. Students are not learning to be admins, but rather, learning about being admins. Best, Jaobar (talk) 15:33, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

Interviews

Although the notion of a class studying Wikipedia administration at a meta level is an intriguing one, and although I'd certainly be willing to participate in an interview via IRC, I strongly recommend that you clarify your purpose and intent.

You cannot teach your students to be Wikipedia administrators. You cannot prepare or train them to be, or to become, Wikipedia administrators. Students who enroll in the course with the goal (stated or otherwise) of becoming Wikipedia administrators themselves, will face disappointment.

You can teach them about Wikipedia administrators -- what we do, how and why we do it, our thoughts on the ways in which the relevant processes have changed over the years... but one of the key factors to being a Wikipedia administrator is one's motivation. If one has the proper motivation, one does not need to take a class. If one does not have the proper motivation, then being an administrator will be either a) a boring disappointment that is quickly abandoned, or b) an opportunity to squander trust, reputation, effort, and an entire persona, in order to indulge in a few minutes of vandalism... which will be terminated by an emergency de-sysopping and the account being permanently blocked.

You can teach them about hobbyists who are influential on other hobbyists within the same hobby. You cannot teach them to be influential hobbyists.

Understand? DS (talk) 15:38, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

DS, thank you for your note. I definitely understand what you're saying. As I've said in my note on your talk page, I teach in a communication school, so the students are learning about communication and media theory and practice. Today, this of course includes the study of social media, Wikipedia included. I am fascinated by the (limited) academic literature addressing the structure of administration of WP. My experiences on wiki have also fascinated me, so my goal has been to share this fascination and process of exploration with my students. I am by no means making an attempt to interfere with your RfA process. I am merely trying to understand what it is that you and your community are doing, and why you do it ... and I'm bringing the students along for the ride. So far, we're all fascinated ... and learning a ton each day. I am very much looking forward to the interviews... we have a lot to learn from you. Jaobar (talk) 17:40, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

Either you or your students are free to contact me, but not via Skype. As to not being able to teach some one to be an administrator, that makes as much sense as, you can't teach anyone to be a doctor or a lawyer. User:Fred Bauder Talk 19:30, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

Fred, thanks so much for your note and for your time. One of our students will be in touch in the coming weeks. Best, Jaobar (talk) 19:41, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

TC458: Creation of Village Pump proposal

Hi Dr. Obar, this is Daniel. In response to our current project to design a multi-purpose Wiki Admin bookshelf/tutorial/tool-set page, I was wondering if it would be alright to ask the Wikipedia community about what sort of things they would like to see on said page if one were to be made. Although it makes sense to ask for input from the community, I am unsure if doing so would breach any MSU rules or policies (considered "cheating") or if you had predefined that our groups were to work on the project alone. Also, I feel hesitant to post anything, as I am unsure exactly where would be best to address the issue with other Wikipedians, and from the looks of the situation, Wikipedians in general have a very negative view of students in classes such as ours due to the past events we have discussed in class. Vert3x (talk) 17:57, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

Daniel, this is an excellent idea. The place to ask these questions is the Idea Lab. The Idea Lab is a subsection of the Village Pump - a more informal (and appropriate) place to have this discussion. I'm impressed with your initiative. Let's see what you guys come up with! --Jaobar (talk) 18:02, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

I have gone ahead and posted a new section to the Idea Lab. It should be listed as Wikipedia:VPI#Admin_Portal Vert3x (talk) 23:51, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

This discussion section made me very much want to talk to your students! – SJ + 08:01, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

Students, admins and WP:India Education Program

Jonathan,

I saw your posts to various admins and your village pump proposal regarding your MSU course about WP admins.

You may not be aware, but the WP community is still reeling from the recent WP:IEP project, a student-involvement project that went badly off the rails. Whilst its clear that your course would already be avoiding some of the most troublesome issues of IEP, the en.WP is not well inclined towards students at present and I'm a little worried that you might encounter problems as a result. I've raised this at Wikipedia_talk:IEP#Students_as_editors.3F_Now_it.27s_students_as_administrators.21, because I think that there's likely to be good advice to be had from looking at the IEP experience. Also the editors involved with cleaning up after IEP are likely to have strong opinions on such a course and it's best to make the introductions early rather than late.

My own opinion is that I wish you well with it, but I'm puzzled as to how it can work out. Your students will not be becoming admins en masse, and I'll be impressed if even a handful of them do so. Mostly though, I wouldn't wish WP:RFA on anyone, least of all a student! Andy Dingley (talk) 19:48, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

Andy, thank you for your note and for your words of encouragement. I am familiar with the problems faced by the WP:IEP, as well as the reasons the problems came about. As I note on my profile page, I have a lot of experience working as a member of the Education Program, and am actually teaching my third class as a Teaching Fellow. I can assure you that my students are well-supervised and well-aware of MSU's (very strict) policies regarding plagiarism. I can appreciate your concerns; however, my intention with this class is to BE BOLD, which I think the community recognizes and appreciates. If you don't mind my saying, mistakes should be met with reflection, new ideas and new passion, not with fear. I hope the WP:IEP gives it another try ... I met some of the WP:IEP Teaching Fellows last summer and they certainly had a lot of interest in the program. Hopefully this enthusiasm hasn't been spoiled by a few mistakes. Anyhow, I will be more than happy to discuss my ideas and work with anyone on-wiki that has concerns. As always I am open to suggestions, criticism and (of course) positive feedback. I can tell you that the students seem to be enjoying the class so far. Thanks again. Best, --Jaobar (talk) 20:09, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

My concern is that I see a basic discontinuity between WP admins and students, and I see no way past it. Becoming an admin is not a quick process and it's (by expressed rule of thumb) at least six months of editing first - which even then would be remarkably rapid. There won't be many students who can afford that length of time, particularly if it has to fit into some course's own duration.

I think the content of your course sounds like excellent subject matter, and it's a virtue in its own right the more people become familiar with it. My concern is about this "carrot" of adminship hanging in front of students, yet it being so difficult to achieve in reality. How will the students react if (as seems inevitable) very few of them have much real chance of gaining it? Andy Dingley (talk) 22:54, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

Andy, please have a look through the discussion HERE. Achieving admin status is not one of the goals of the course. Best, --Jaobar (talk) 23:21, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

That's rather why I posted. When the very title is "Learn to be a Wikipedia Administrator", students will assume that they're intended (and possibly expected) to become just that! If the goal is really to "Learn the skills of...." then it needs to have that clear from the outset. Andy Dingley (talk) 23:40, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

Re: MSU Interview

Thanks but no thanks - I've only been an admin for less than a week and don't feel confident enough to talk to a group of students about it! Maybe in the future... GiantSnowman 20:11, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

You sure? We're looking to hear about all admin experiences ... the RfA process is probably pretty fresh in your mind. We'd love to hear about your experiences so far, as well as your visions for the future. Old and new are equally welcome and equally valuable! --Jaobar (talk) 20:13, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

Hmm, suppose so. I'd be best by e-mail, given the time difference & the fact I'm at work during the week / on my travels at the weekend... GiantSnowman 20:32, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

Thank you. We will be in touch in the next few weeks. Best, --Jaobar (talk) 05:53, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

MSU interview

Hi Jonathan, I'm willing to be interviewed by one of your students (in fact, I'm already on your list, I think). Conducting the interview over IRC would be easiest for me. A fluffernutter is a sandwich! (talk) 20:57, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

IRC would be the best for me too, although email would work just as well. —Dark 22:41, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

Sounds good, will add you to the list. Thanks! --Jaobar (talk) 08:46, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

Hi Jonathan - though I'd like to help with the interviews, I spend very little time on Wikipedia these days, and I doubt I'd be too much help for that reason (I know quite a few things have changed on the site since I was heavily active on it). Sorry that I can't be of more help, but good luck with the interviews! Grutness...wha? 01:54, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

Please reconsider. We're interested in all perspectives and experiences. If nothing else, we'd like to find out why you aren't as active as you used to be ... and if it has something to do with the current wiki-culture. --Jaobar (talk) 08:46, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

Ok... well, if send the interview questions to me via email - <my WP username @ slingshot dot co dot nz> I'll see what I can do :) Grutness...wha? 12:49, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

Sorry for the delay in responding to this. I will add you to the list. Best, --Jaobar (talk) 06:00, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

While I would love to help as well, I don't think that I could be very helpful... I consider myself an editor first and an administrator a distant second. I tend to use the tools rarely, generally when I'm asked for help or when they prove useful in the normal course of my editing, and it seems that becoming an administrator and what that entails has changed significantly from when I was nominated. If I can be of use, please let me know, but overall I just don't think that your students would get an accurate picture of "adminship" or anything about it from me. Canadian Paul 03:24, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

We're looking for a variety of perspectives and experiences, and info from heavy and light users. Can we add you to the list? --Jaobar (talk) 08:46, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

Sure, if you think I can be useful. I'd prefer email as the method of communication. Canadian Paul 16:13, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

Again, sorry for the delay in responding. I will add you to the list. A student will be in touch in the next few weeks. Best, --Jaobar (talk) 06:00, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

MSU interview

Hi, Jonathan. I have participated in a few surveys previously, but on this occasion I don't think I am a suitable respondee. I have been involved with the project for a very long time, and I became an administrator in the early days when it wasn't such a big deal. It has now become so complicated a matter that it is hard to keep up with the rules from day to day. I would probably put your students off if I tried to talk about it. Deb (talk) 08:40, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

Hi Deb, we're interested in all experiences and perspectives. The mere fact that you feel that you aren't as connected as you used to be, and there are reasons for this, is something we'd like to explore. Can we add you to the list? --Jaobar (talk) 08:42, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

Okay, if you're that desperate. I may not be able to respond for a couple of weeks though. Deb (talk) 09:31, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

Deb, he said he was interested, not desperate. AGK [•] 12:12, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

Hi Jaobar. Just being courteous. I regret I cannot participate for some reasons. Thank you for the invitation. --Efe (talk) 13:47, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

Hi Deb. If it's alright with you, I will add your name to the list. As I said in my posting, you are welcome to say "no" at any time. Best, --Jaobar (talk) 15:50, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

Hi Efe, thank you for your note. If you change your mind, please let us know. Best, --Jaobar (talk) 15:50, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

Broke link fixed, sorry

Sorry I just noticed the link I gave you before was one that got censored by the online gaming tournament authority thing, I updated the link and hope you don't mind: [1]

The proper link should have been [2]! --Mistress Selina Kyle ^{(Α⇔Ω ¦ ⇒✉)} 02:45, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

MSU interview

1. The good news is that I'm an active admin of long-standing, and I do a lot of admin type tasks as well as create content and I'm prepared to help.
2. The bad news is that I'm very wary about anything that involves me giving personal contact details of any sort. I think the only way I'm prepared to do this is through a subpage like this, with questions from registered accounts, not ISPs.
3. I appreciate this isn't ideal from your point of view, and I don't mind if you feel that it's not worth going down this route Jimfbleak - talk to me? 10:59, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for your note. We can figure this out. We'll have a student get in touch in the next few weeks. At any time, let me know if you have any questions or concerns. Best, --Jaobar (talk) 06:08, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

Mount Allison

Hi Jonathan,

Sub specie aeternitatis and I have only corresponded by way of our user talk pages, but I know that he's a professor at Mount Allison University and that his name is Grant Aylesworth. The Mount Allison University website tells me that his e-mail address is (snipped). I hope this helps!

Neelix (talk) 20:20, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. Removed his email address. --Jaobar (talk) 22:19, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

MSU interview

My position is rather like that of Deb above, though I'm happy to be interviewed. Yes, I'm probably very atypical among admins, but a few "outliers" might be beneficial to the study.

You wrote: A while back I proposed this idea (the class) to the community HERE. I hadn't previously noticed this announcement of yours to which that links. Now that I do, I have a little question. What do you mean by "bookshelf"? (List of URLs of pages useful for admins, perhaps?) -- Hoary (talk) 02:41, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

Hi Hoary, we've spoken already, but I thought that I would publicly thank you for your note. I will add you to the list. One of our students will be getting in touch in the next few weeks. THIS is the example of a bookshelf that our students are working with. Best, --Jaobar (talk) 06:15, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

Well well, how little I know about Wikipedia, or Wikimedia, or indeed MediaWiki, or whatever. Thank you for enlightening me, and I hope that my eventual correspondent/interviewer can educate me further! -- Hoary (talk) 13:36, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

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Short answer, yes, happy to be involved. GedUK  09:28, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

Yes, count me in as well, as I have mentioned in my email to you. Dieter Simon (talk) 00:48, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

Messaging a bot?

Did you intend to message User:Kingpin13 rather than his robot account User:AWBCPBot? Good luck! Reaper Eternal (talk) 20:22, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

Interview

I would like to help, but I haven't been extremely active recently and wasn't an admin too long before I had to back away a bit from Wikipedia. I would prefer not to be on the top of your list of interviewees mostly because I think you may get a little bit more insight into adminship from someone other then myself. However, if you still need people for your students to contact however, I would be more then willing to participate. Just have your students email me, Sadads (talk) 04:37, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

Personally, I think Sadads, like Deb and Grutness above, are fine examples of admins, if at different points in the history of the project :-) – SJ +

Dear User:Sadads, we are looking to speak to admins who have had different experiences on Wikipedia, and would be interested in hearing your perspective. If still interested, one of our students will be in touch in the next few weeks. Let me know if you have any questions or concerns. Best, --Jaobar (talk) 05:36, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

Interviews

While I feel quite interested in your idea, there is a problem at my end of things. I don't have skype (my ISP is set up for it, apparently, but I'm not interested in it as I have free offpeak calls on the landline and don't phone overseas), don't use IRC (still don't even know what it is after over 20 years reasonably deep involvement with computers...), don't twitter, haven't Faced the Book, keep my space to myself, only dig in the garden (and only in emergencies then - I do more gardening with a reciprocating saw and an axe), and live in the UK which rules out direct phoning or txting. I do have assorted emails, but may not reply for a day or two depending on what I'm up to and where I am. I can even create a new email with a dummy name, if email is considered a feasible method of communication. In case this makes me seem like a technophobe, no, I'm not. I don't need those things. Too much hassle. And when one goes into one of one's dummy accounts (not a Wikipedia account - MSN) and find 15 people wanting to be one's friend on Messenger, and one doesn't even exist, one become even more cynical.... As I say, willing to help (or at least find out more...), but by email only. (I'm on a new machine and think I've killed Messenger. I hope I have. See my userpage...) Peridon (talk) 20:46, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

Dear User:Peridon, email will be fine. One of our students will be in touch in the next few weeks. Let me know if you have any questions or concerns. Thanks so much. --Jaobar (talk) 05:39, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

Interview

I actually signed up earlier when it was mentioned on the administrators' noticeboard. I am available by IRC or phone. Like Sadads, I'm not the most active admin, but I have experience and have been spending more time on Wikipedia recently. I am also more than willing to participate. Superm401 - Talk 23:05, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

MSU Interview

You run a class where you teach students about becoming Wikipedia administrators, yet you know little about our community, and you want your students to interview admins? You may need to rethink your class. The first thing you need to teach your students is what Wikipedia is about, and how the community works. From that will come your and their understanding of the admin role. You are putting your focus in the wrong place. It's like trying to understand trade unions by asking questions of the police who are instructed to monitor picket lines. SilkTork ^{✔Tea time} 21:21, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for your note. I wish you would give us a little more credit. I can tell you that we have done our homework (through review of the academic literature, review of Wikipedia policy and by speaking with a number of admins), and I'm actually quite pleased with how the class is going so far. If you change your mind and would like to be interviewed, please let us know. Best, --Jaobar (talk) 22:23, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

How do you teach students to become administrators at Wikipedia? In order to become an administrator what someone has to do is demonstrate they have good judgement, a calm disposition, an understanding of Wikipedia consensus, a commitment to the project, and some basic competence. Some stuff can be learned from experience (learned not taught!), but most of the criteria used by the community to assess if a person is appropriate is the evidence of the person's edits on Wikipedia. You say - "Not a lot is known about your community and our students .... want to learn how you do what you do, and why you do it." The starting point for learning about the community is to study the community, not one small aspect of it. If you said you wanted to teach your students to become members of a WikiProject like WikiProject Video games or Wikiproject Beer, I would be more supportive as that is a more viable aim and more instructive of what goes into building the encyclopaedia, though would also be somewhat limited. The admin group is not a group that is part of building the encyclopedia - the admin group have access to certain maintenance tools which not everyone needs. Some admins may rarely add encyclopaedic content. Other admins may rarely perform an admin action. At least a WikiProject member is likely to be working toward adding content and building consensus.

It may be helpful to an understanding of how the Wikipedia community works and how to teach that to your students to ask the community how best to do that - the community understand Wikipedia well, is knowledgeable, creative, helpful, and contains teachers and students. A starting point may be to get in touch with Wikipedia:Ambassadors - a project already in place for teachers and students to learn about Wikipedia.

You may also find Wikipedia:Research, and the links there, of some use. SilkTork ^{✔Tea time} 23:27, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

Hello, SilkTork, I'm an administrator. I too was asked to participate, and, after a few minutes of wondering about it, I agreed. (I also posted a question above that [cough!] hasn't yet been answered.) ¶ I'm surprised that you are so quick to infer methodological incompetence. According to his self-description -- yes, yes, not a reliable source, but as far as I know also not challenged -- the man has a Ph.D. from Penn State University in mass communications. I don't rush to assume methodological perfection but I do start with the assumption that he's not methodologically naive. ¶ How do you teach students to become administrators at Wikipedia? you ask, rhetorically, and then respond. As he has repeatedly said, Jaobar is not proposing to teach students how to become administrators. He's instead launching a program that aims to find out more about the process. Analogous research has, I'm sure, been done to find out more about the process of becoming a nun or a crack dealer -- the result is not a career guide but instead sociology. Your own responses to your question are, I'm sure, well intended, but I for one think that any notion of a cohesive Wikipedia "community" is dubious and that very word "community" suspect (see Unspeak); I also wonder how your last suggestion differs from a company's attempt to tell an investigative journalist to digest the output of its PR department. -- Hoary (talk) 00:49, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

Reply to Spamming

I replied to you on User talk:Yjune.sah:

Thanks for the response! This is why I always assume good faith. I hadn't seen the notice on the admin noticeboard (that's my fault,) and had no idea whether or not this had gotten permission yet, so I thought a simple warning (just in case) on the talk page would suffice. Sorry for the confusion. --Mithrandir^∞ (Talk!) (Opus Operis) 00:22, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

Awesome talk Jonathan!!!

I really enjoyed your talk today. --Jaobar (talk) 01:38, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

Great talk!!!

Jonathan, thanks so much fort teaching us about Wikipedia. The Education Initiative material taught us a lot about how people are learning by doing. The "how-to" lessons will help several students with their own term papers. We really enjoyed your expertise and enthusiasm! --Cmcresearch (talk) 01:46, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

How to Avoid E-mail Spam

Thanks for the notice on my page. You may want to consider {{NoSpam}} when posting e-mail addresses on Wikipedia in the future, though, to make it more difficult for spambots to discover your address. (I applied it to your notice on my page.) Alternatively, you can set the address as your account e-mail and send people to Special:EmailUser/Jaobar. Yes, I know a university address is probably easy for the spambots to guess anyway, but ... --Philosopher ^{Let us reason together.} 03:01, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

Who is in charge of this account anyway?

A few centimetres above, you appear to be talking to yourself. That's odd, and I've brought up the matter here in a Wikipedia administrators' noticeboard. -- Hoary (talk) 05:26, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for the email, and sorry to have bothered you. -- Hoary (talk) 05:53, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

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Yes, in a couple of weeks

I won't have much free time for 10 days or so, but would be happy to be interviewed after that, preferably on-wiki. Thanks for running what sounds like a charming and useful class. – SJ + 08:14, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

WP:ANI

It just had to be a band called "Phish" didn't it? Lol

I bet you knew and just wanted to see how they would react :p ;) --Mistress Selina Kyle ^{(Α⇔Ω ¦ ⇒✉)} 12:48, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

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MSU interview

I'm willing to pitch in, with the usual disclaimer that my information may or may not do you any good. :P Pegship (talk) 21:21, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

Question

Any particular reason that these interviews aren't on-wiki? You could just create sub pages in your userspace for each admin who says yes. - jc37 22:40, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

RE: Interview request

I sent an e-mail on February 18 and never heard back. Enigma^msg 22:35, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

Michigan State admins

Have you tried talking with Chanitra at IU-Bloomington? She found a way to get a geo-specific watchlist notice; perhaps you could follow whatever path she took and advertise specifically for admins in south central Michigan. Nyttend (talk) 01:42, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

Interview via non University mail ids

Are the email ids (snipped) and (snipped) of members of your interview team ? Would it not be safer for them to use their university ids ? Shyamal (talk) 01:06, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

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Interview

I'm not really an active editor anymore, but I have been around since the early days. I might answer some questions by email or so. I have definite opinions about the promise and hopes we had for the Wikipedia of five+ years ago, and what it has become today. --DanielCD (talk) 23:51, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

The darker side of adminship

It may be too late, but I recently saw a user page that stated they applied once for adminship and were nominated by another a second time. They had some interesting thoughts about the process and how it has changed. I will see if I can track down their name from my WP wanderings if you are interested at all.--Canoe1967 (talk) 15:09, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

Found it: User:Malleus Fatuorum --Canoe1967 (talk) 15:13, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

Canadian classes

Hi Jonathan,

I am interested in being an online ambassador for classes at Canadian universities again this semester. Sage Ross recently recommended that I add myself to the table here and contact you to request that you connect me with the corresponding professors. Would you be willing to do so?

Neelix (talk) 14:31, 14 September 2012 (UTC)

Assistance requested at WP:MED

Hi,

There appears to be a class attempting to edit the global health page, which has been flagged by WP:MED editors. There is some evidence that this is coming from MSU. Your input and assistance would be appreciated at the WP:MED talk page

Thanks. UseTheCommandLine (talk) 18:02, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for your note. I'll look into this. It isn't a class from my dept. I'll check with the WMF to see if they're supervising someone from another dept. Best, Jaobar (talk) 18:36, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

I'll double-check, but it doesn't look like this is a class working with the Education Program.--Sage Ross (WMF) (talk) 19:15, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

Clarification

I sincerely hope this clears it up. Best wishes. Biosthmors (talk) 19:52, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

I happened to see that this could be improved by following WP:REALTIME. Best. Biosthmors (talk) 23:52, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the suggestion. I'll have a look at this, and can understand the policy, though because the research area is new, I'm not sure how the language could be changed appropriately without using a time element. "Research has addressed" might work, but this suggests an established field, which is incorrect. Jaobar (talk) 06:30, 15 December 2012 (UTC)

Hi sir!

Hi sir!
I am phaneendra from India.
First of all sorry for giving very late reply.
Actuall you have sent a message through
wikipedia to me.
My wikipedia display name is phanihup.
After reading that message I have understood that you want to interview me.
I am ready to attend interview through mail.
Thank you for your offer.
do not misunderstood this late reply.
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Phanihup (talk • contribs) 07:46, 10 April 2013 (UTC) once again i am telling sorry for this late reply.
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Phanihup (talk • contribs) 07:42, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

course pages

Hi Jonathan! I just wanted to encourage you to have people use the extenstion-based course pages in the future. Even if they're not official Education Program courses, it's nice to have them all in the system (for the students and professors, as well as the experienced editors who interact with classes, in my experience so far).--Sage Ross (WMF) (talk) 18:52, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

Hi Sage. The one I created today is for a class demonstration, not for a course. Is that what you're referring to? Jaobar (talk) 19:01, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

Yep, I guess so. It popped up on my watchlist. Sorry for the confusion. :) --Sage Ross (WMF) (talk) 19:02, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

No worries. Next semester everyone will be using the new system. Thanks man. Jaobar (talk) 00:57, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

Support for Canadian education projects?

Hi Jonathan. You're listed as the support contact for the Wikipedia:Canada Education Program. I'm setting up a University of British Columbia course that will have about 30 students editing pages on sustainability projects and issues in Vancouver. I spoke with Tina Loo yesterday (UBC History prof) and she said you had been very helpful for her course 2 years ago. Are you still providing this support, or is there someone else I should contact? Thanks in advance. Rosieredfield (talk) 20:37, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

New features for course pages

Several noticeable improvements to the EducationProgram extension (in addition to some small bug fixes) will go live on or around 2014-01-23:

Notifications

All participants in a course (students, instructors, volunteers) will receive Notifications whenever their course talk page is edited. Thus, editors can use course talk pages to send messages they want the whole class to be aware of, and the class participants are likely to see them.

Special:Contributions student notice

For users enrolled as students in courses that are active, a notice will appear at the top of Special:Contributions noting which course(s) they are enrolled in. This will make it easy for users who come across the work of student editors to find out that they are part of a course and identify other class participants.

Adding articles

Course instructors and volunteers will be able to assign articles to student editors, instead of all articles needing to be added by the student editors themselves.

Adding students

Instructors and volunteers will be able to add users as students in courses, instead of all student editors needing to enroll for themselves. This makes it easier to maintain complete lists of students, and also makes the extension more suitable for tracking participation in edit-a-thons, workshops and other collaborative projects beyond the Wikipedia Education Program.

If you have feedback about these new features, or other questions or ideas related to course pages, please let me know! --Sage Ross (WMF) (talk) 18:14, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

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Talking about talk pages in class

I'm talking about talk pages!--Jaobar (talk) 18:25, 13 February 2014 (UTC)

Education Program technical update, February 2014

We've started working on "editor campaigns", a system that we expect will eventually be able to replace our current Education Program extension (and be useful for many other purposes as well). The early work with that project will focus on a system for signup up new editors for editing campaigns (such as courses, but also edit-a-thons, Wiki Loves Monuments, etc.). Because of that, progress will be slow on the current course page system. However, we have several improvements that should be available within the next few weeks.

Anyone can edit the main text of course pages

As part of the effort to make course pages behave more like regular wiki pages, we've enabled editing of course pages by anyone. Users who currently have the right to edit courses will have access to all the fields (so that they can change the start/end dates, and change the enrollment token). Users who currently cannot edit courses will be able to edit only the "page text" portion. This change should take effect on 2014-02-27.

Simplified course editing interface

We've considerably simplified the interface for editing course pages, removing the options to rename courses. Changing the title of a course would also move the course page, creating confusion and leading to a number of bugs. Several other parts of the course editing interface were not very useful, so we've removed them to make it easier on newcomers. This change should take effect on 2014-02-27.

Additional Notifications

Two students participating in the Facebook Open Academy mentorship program are currently working on additional Notifications for course pages. For the first of these, users will be notified whenever someone else adds them to a course.

Once again, if you have feedback about these new features, or other questions or ideas related to course pages, please let me know!--Sage Ross (WMF) (talk) 17:38, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

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Incomplete DYK nomination

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DYK nomination of Shadism

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Education Program technical update, April 2014

Since the last update, development of the editor campaigns project has been continuing, and it's almost at the point that it will be useful to users running edit-a-thons and other non-course outreach events. (If you are planning such an event soon and would like to beta test it for tracking the contributions of newcomers, get it touch.) In the meantime, we've made a few small improvements and bug fixes to the Education Program extension:

Default course end date

The default end date for courses is now approximately six months in the future, instead of immediately. This will prevent the common problem where a user creates a new course page but does change the default dates, resulting in a course that is immediately considered "ended" and thus cannot be enrolled in.

Notifications when you get added to a course

Whenever a user gets added to a course by someone else, they will now receive a Notification.

Disabling individual student profiles

The student profile special page (Special:Student/Username, not to be confused with Special:Students) is a page that lists the courses a student editor is enrolled in, and is also supposed to list the articles that user is working on. However, the list of articles can include incorrect data in cases where an instructor or volunteer assigned the articles to the student editor. These profiles are being removed from the extension altogether. This change should go into effect Thursday, May 1. (Logs are still available to find out which courses a user is enrolled in.)

Article edit notifications for students coming soon

A nearly complete patch from Facebook Open Academy student Jeff Lloyd will add a new type of Notification: students will be alerted to edits made by others to the article(s) they are assigned (as well as the corresponding talk pages). Expect to see this feature within the next several weeks.

Duplicate courses and API deletion

Bugs in the course page creation process (now fixed) led in some cases to duplicate listings for the same course at Special:Courses. This happens when the same course page had two (or more) different course ID numbers. It is possible to clean up such duplicate entries using by making calls to the API. I've documented this process and written a Python script for it.

If you have feedback about these changes, or other questions or ideas related to course pages, please let Anna Koval or me know!--Sage Ross (WMF) (talk) 19:23, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

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User draft articles

It is confusing for other editors to go to a user page and see a draft article there. You should place drafts a user subpage, and they should have {{userspace draft}} added at the top. — Brianhe (talk) 19:40, 7 October 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the comment. Just trying to manage some student work that was moved to the mainspace too early. She hadn't created a sandbox, so I wasn't sure where to put the work. We're in the process of organizing her sandbox. Best, --Jaobar (talk) 23:12, 7 October 2014 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Jonathan's Boring Lecture Today

Hello Jaobar,

I wanted to let you know that I just tagged Jonathan's Boring Lecture Today for deletion, because it seems to be vandalism or a hoax.

If you feel that the article shouldn't be deleted and want more time to work on it, you can contest this deletion, but please don't remove the speedy deletion tag from the top.

You can leave a note on my talk page if you have questions. TheMagikCow (talk) 19:34, 5 November 2014 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Jonathan's Boring Lecture Today

Hello Jaobar,

I wanted to let you know that I just tagged Jonathan's Boring Lecture Today for deletion, because the article doesn't clearly say why the subject is important enough to be included in an encyclopedia.

If you feel that the article shouldn't be deleted and want more time to work on it, you can contest this deletion, but please don't remove the speedy deletion tag from the top.

You can leave a note on my talk page if you have questions. TheMagikCow (talk) 19:35, 5 November 2014 (UTC)

Johnathons's boring lecture today

Hello, I'm TheMagikCow. I wanted to let you know that I undid one or more of your recent contributions to Johnathan's Boring Lecture Today because it did not appear constructive. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thanks! — Preceding undated comment added 19:43, 5 November 2014 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Jonathan Obar's Teaching Style

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Sandbox

Hello! Please use your sandbox rather than creating test pages. Thanks! --Non-Dropframe _talk 16:01, 21 October 2015 (UTC)

Hey User:Non-dropframe thanks for your note and for your help cleaning up my little mess from this morning. I typically work in sandboxes, but I got a little excited this morning and wanted to show students that clicking "save" in the mainspace is not something to fear. Thanks for cleaning up my mess. Best, --Jaobar (talk) 18:58, 21 October 2015 (UTC)

Proposed deletions of student assignments

Hi Jaobar,

When proposing an article for deletion, you should not blank the page. Just add the proposed deletion tag to the top of the article. Also, keep in mind that anyone can contest a proposed deletion for any reason or even without giving a reason. After a proposed deletion is contested, the article cannot be deleted by prod (even if no reason was given for removing the proposed deletion tag). For articles where a proposed deletion has been contested, if you still think the article should be deleted, you should start a discussion at WP:AFD. Also, I'm not aware of any deletion policy that says articles should be deleted solely because they were class assignments or student projects. While some of the articles you proposed for deletion might be articles that should be deleted for other reasons (such as the subjects not being notable), I don't think the reason you are giving of them being unapproved class assignments is a valid reason for deletion. I've left the prod tags in place anyway thought so someone else can consider if they should be deleted. Calathan (talk) 15:21, 29 October 2015 (UTC)

Calathan thank you for your note. I have discussed my edits with members of the WikiEd program. In the future I will be more careful, so as not to upset anyone over blanking pages. My efforts in this instance are merely to protect the community from instances where students are editing before they are ready. I'm sure Doc James can tell you all about the mess that previous classes have made, something I'm trying to avoid and address. Best, --Jaobar (talk) 18:21, 29 October 2015 (UTC)

Happy to take a look at the issue in question but not enough details provided. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 18:25, 29 October 2015 (UTC)

Hey Doc James, no issue at all. Just trying to clarify for the community why I'm being careful with student edits. Appears I've been a bit too aggressive; I'm still learning! Hope all is well. --Jaobar (talk) 18:32, 29 October 2015 (UTC)

Yes all is well :-) Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 22:20, 29 October 2015 (UTC)

deprod

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2602:30A:2EFE:F050:6C6F:3B3D:9F18:9068 Calathan Thank you for your efforts. I assume that this removal suggests that the community consensus is that this content is acceptable. I do not want to be criticized in the future for not trying to remove student work posted accidentally to the mainspace before I have had a chance to review it. Your efforts suggest that my supervision in this regard is not necessary. I hope you will support me should future concerns be raised by the community. --Jaobar (talk) 18:24, 5 November 2015 (UTC)

ArbCom elections are now open!

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Testing at Donald Trump

I appreciate what you are trying to do, but please understand that such test edits are considered disruptive. In fact, we have warning templates about such tests that escalate up to {{uw-test3}}. The next template after that shunts to {{uw-vandal4}}. Test edits are considered to be vandalism, even if there's good faith behind them. While your test edit was live, the entire world was seeing the test embedded in the article. Worse, this article is one of the more viewed on the project. Please, don't do this again. Thank you, --Hammersoft (talk) 16:56, 3 October 2016 (UTC)

Also, the article has been read by 160,000 people in the past day. That means for the minute that your edit was in place, 111 readers were misinformed by a Wikipedia article.- MrX 17:38, 3 October 2016 (UTC)

Dear Hammersoft and Mr, thank you for your comments. My apologies if my attempts to teach students about the open source nature of Wikipedia did anything to raise concerns about its integrity. While the history page does say the undo was completed a minute later, I'm sure it was closer to about 10 seconds. One of the goals of the class today was to talk about WP:Own, which can certainly conflict with vandalism concerns. Again, my apologies for being a bit too bold! I think the students appreciated it, and are certainly excited about joining the Wikipedia community this semester. Please let me know if you have any additional concerns. Best, --Jaobar (talk) 18:04, 3 October 2016 (UTC)

Please make sure your students know that vandalizing Wikipedia is never acceptable, and that they should not "try this at home". I appreciate that you're getting younger generations interested in Wikipedia, but we already have more than enough vandalism and prank edits on the project. You were responsible enough to self-revert, but your students and their friends might not be. Perhaps next time you do this in-class demonstration you could prepare by finding a poorly-written section lower down in the article, then ask the students suggest a change of wording to make it more clear or concise, and then make that edit. It would take more time, but I think the students would get a better idea of what real editing is like, and the encyclopedia would benefit as well. ~Awilley (talk) 18:35, 3 October 2016 (UTC)

Dear Awilley, thank you also for your comments. I will keep this all in mind for next time. All the best, --Jaobar (talk) 18:45, 3 October 2016 (UTC)

• Jaobar, this is tangential but might be of interest to you; Reliability of Wikipedia. --Hammersoft (talk) 15:19, 4 October 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for this Hammersoft. We're actually reading the Nature article in class this semester, along with a number of other pieces about becoming an informed consumer of information in the twenty-first century. If you're curious about my take on Wikipedia as a tool for teaching (one of the best e-learning tools in my opinion), you might find this blog post interesting http://readwrite.com/2012/09/20/why-wikipedia-does-belong-in-the-classroom/ Best, --Jaobar (talk) 18:36, 4 October 2016 (UTC)

Violation of WP Neutrality Content Policy

The section on history violates WP:NPOV because there are no citations. --Jaobar (talk) 19:43, 26 October 2016 (UTC)

The section on history of what article??? Jeh (talk) 20:52, 26 October 2016 (UTC)

Dear Jeh, thank you for your note. The comment above was a class demonstration of how to use WP policy to present a critique. I wasn't referring to anything specific. Best, --Jaobar (talk) 21:36, 26 October 2016 (UTC)

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Speedy deletion nomination of Banana2

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I noticed you created a page banana2 as a test edit. Please use your sandbox for that instead of creating articles. Chrissymad ❯❯❯ Talk 20:30, 30 November 2016 (UTC)

Nomination of American corporate media lobby for deletion

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DYK for Nkosi's Haven

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DYK nomination of 2011 in politics

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DYK nomination of Charmian Gooch

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These has been no response in three weeks, so I've marked this for closure. If you return before it closes and respond on the nomination form, the review could resume. BlueMoonset (talk) 06:43, 20 February 2017 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Digital divide in Canada

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DYK for Digital divide in Canada

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DYK of Islamophobia in Canada

Please feel free to nominate the article again for DYK. Doesn't really matter if you put my name on the DYK. I will be editing the article now to remove various redundancies in it.VR _talk 17:13, 5 March 2017 (UTC)

DYK for Charmian Gooch

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Managing a conflict of interest

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• exercise great caution so that you do not violate Wikipedia's content policies.

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Please take a few moments to read and review Wikipedia's policies regarding conflicts of interest, especially those pertaining to neutral point of view, sourcing and autobiographies. You're the author of this paper. Let others decide what is or isn't appropriate for it. You don't spam such links for other SSRN preprints, only your own. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 03:26, 11 April 2017 (UTC)

@Headbomb see my comment on your talk page. Jaobar (talk) 03:37, 11 April 2017 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Original Barnstar
	You have done an excellent job on the article Canadian Communication Association. If you hadn't gotten to work on it, I would have deleted it for sure. The garmine (talk) 14:31, 1 June 2017 (UTC)

Let me reword that. I'm not an admin, So I can't delete pages yet. But I would have nominated it for deletion. The garmine ^(talk) 14:36, 1 June 2017 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Template:TC458 Class

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Ve'ahavta

"The student needs to access their sandbox". Please explain very carefully, because I cannot see any possible explanation, why it is more difficult for the student to access draft:Ve'ahavta than to access their sandbox. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 22:42, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

Hi RHaworth, thank you for your note. The Wiki Ed platform is designed for the student to work in the sandbox, and as a newbie, the student is also more comfortable with the protections that sandboxes are supposed to provide. I can tell you that the aggressive nature of this interaction today and the tone of its communication has done very little to convey to the student that Wikipedia is an open, welcoming and safe community; quite the contrary. -- Jaobar (talk) 22:56, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

I would be interested to hear from "the student". I consider that a vital part of the Wiki Ed platform is teaching the need to enter into dialogue. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 23:13, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

RHaworth Nice to speak with you again. I think it has been a few years. Anyhow, I quite agree with you; however, it is difficult to engage in dialogue when editors/administrators quickly remove sandboxes and talk pages without allowing for rebuttal. I think it's also important to acknowledge what the aggressiveness of these actions says to young students. I assume this is what WP:BITE was designed to protect against. I find it doubtful that any newbie would want to try and interact with the unwelcoming attitude that has been on display today, which is a shame. -- Jaobar (talk) 23:22, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

Also RHaworth, why do you (or whoever is doing it) keep deleting the sandbox? On what basis is this justified? This seems highly problematic. -- Jaobar (talk) 23:25, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

"Whoever is doing it"! You have been involved with Wikipedia for seven years and apparently have not yet learnt how to read log files. "Deleting the sandbox". I have deleted quite a few sandboxes - it would have been a good idea to provide a link to the one about which you are talking. Possibly you are talking about User:Sweiner8/sandbox. In that case I can assure you that all of the edits by Sweiner8 are currently visible.

Another thing that the Wiki Ed platform should teaching is the need for peer review. This sorry saga began because "the student" had done the foolhardy act of posting their article straight to mainspace and Largoplazo had tagged it as blatant spam. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 23:54, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

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Zettabyte Era

You reverted my edit with the justification Stating an assertion is "obviously wrong" is not a sufficient counter to research published in in academic journals and the NYT. Do you want me to proof that it is obviously wrong? Okay, the disputed claim is just Globally, energy consumption from all data centers in 2011, equated to roughly 1.1 to 1.5% of total global energy consumption which is roughly the same average energy consumption as 25,000 American households. In shorter words, 1.1% of total global energy consumption is the same as 25000 American households. That means that 100,000 households correspond to 4.4%, further 1,000,000 households correspond to 44%, and 10,000,000 households correspond to 440% of global energy consumption. And obviously there are more than 10,000,000 American households. So this is obviously wrong, I am sorry, even if it is reproduced a hundred times. I will just delete it again. Seattle Jörg (talk) 11:08, 13 April 2018 (UTC)

Dear Seattle Jörg, thank you for your note. You are welcome to delete it again (though I will likely re-instate it until your claim is verified), but that does not prove your point. The argument presented in the article refers to published, peer-reviewed research. Your claim appears to violate Wikipedia's no original research policy. If you want to win the argument, I recommend that you present a counter that cites an external source. Best, --Jaobar (talk) 12:34, 13 April 2018 (UTC)

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Hi I'm testing new sections. --Jaobar (talk) 17:56, 15 November 2018 (UTC)

Hi there, I noticed that you included some text that may violate WP:NEUTRAL.--Jaobar (talk) 18:06, 15 November 2018 (UTC)

Hi there, you're being a bit tough on our students. They are just learning. This appears to be a violation of WP:BITE.--Jaobar (talk) 18:06, 15 November 2018 (UTC)

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Unbelievable

I have just seen this edit summary to Robin_Banks_(rapper): 2019-04-10T02:42:01 .. Jaobar . empty (Blanking page as per WikiEd rules - students are not permitted to edit the encyclopedia). What the <expletive deleted> are you talking about? Surely the whole point of WikiEd is to encourage students to edit the encyclopedia? — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 09:58, 10 April 2019 (UTC)

User:RHaworth, I will return to comment more on this later. For now, I can say quickly that an arrangement was made with WikiEd to ensure that all students in the class only edited in sandboxes. Editing the mainspace was not allowed, to save the community from mopping up any issues. The student made an error. --Jaobar (talk) 15:21, 10 April 2019 (UTC)

Please point me to these WikiEd rules. Blanking was a gross case of newbie biting. Why could you not have moved it to their sandbox? — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 15:41, 10 April 2019 (UTC)

User:RHaworth, my apologies. I didn't check to see that the sandbox still had the content. I have corrected that now. Thank you for bringing this to my attention. Students were supposed to keep material in their sandboxes, as that is where the grading is taking place. I will note that student work is also saved offline. As to the WikiEd policy, I'll begin with this, which you may remember. --Jaobar (talk) 16:09, 10 April 2019 (UTC)

Hi, just stepping in here to clear up some of the confusion. It's Wiki Education's policy to not support classes with more than 100 students doing Wikipedia assignments, due to past challenges with large courses. Professor Obar has been doing the Wikipedia assignment for many years, and we agreed to work with him to do the project in one of his large classes with the provision that the students do not move content out of sandboxes, in order to head off any problems we've experienced with large courses in the past. The vast majority of our students are in smaller courses and have the goal of moving their work to the article main space. Professor Obar's course is a rare exception. We inform all of our instructors and students that they are bound by Wikipedia policy as are all new editors. I hope this makes things clearer. Helaine (Wiki Ed) (talk) 00:00, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

• It was the horrible bluntness of Jonathan's message to which I objected. A few extra words would have helped, eg.: students in this large class have been instructed very firmly not to create articles in mainspace. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 16:09, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

The 8th Plague

Hi Jonathan, sorry to trouble you. Do you think you could intervene at The 8th Plague, which comes within Wikipedia:Wiki Ed/York University/Information and Technology (Winter 2019)? I don't like to edit-war with students (or anyone) but the extensions, which I reverted once, have been reinstated with only a few spelling corrections and I don't think it is in a fit condition for mainspace: Bhunacat10 (talk), 11:24, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

Dear User:Bhunacat10, thank you for bringing this to my attention. I have reverted the edits and will let the editor know. Best, --Jaobar (talk) 17:42, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

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