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Juul (electronic cigarette) merge

The content was merged without the unsourced text and unreliable sources. Thanks QuackGuru (talk) 03:48, 16 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I sorry I do not agree with this merge there are plenty of reliable sources. Valoem ^talk ^contrib 04:15, 16 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

You restored unreliable sources and unsourced content. Please read the section below. QuackGuru (talk) 04:21, 16 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Where? Also thanks for letting me know something I wrote was bold merge., I'll replace again source if needed, but I'm not see anything issues. Valoem ^talk ^contrib 04:30, 16 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

You didn't notice any problem with this edit? QuackGuru (talk) 04:43, 16 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

It appears advert Emilynorelll (talk · contribs) vandalized the article I restored the original version I wrote. Valoem ^talk ^contrib 05:18, 16 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I tagged the spam you accidently restored. QuackGuru (talk) 14:23, 16 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Okay we can start a formal merge process. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 15:11, 16 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

That was a copyright violation by copying text from Wikipedia without attribution. I will undo your edit and do it again. QuackGuru (talk) 21:21, 18 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Where? Please fix. Thanks. Valoem ^talk ^contrib 21:22, 18 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Undo the merge and then it will be fixed or I will undo and redo. QuackGuru (talk) 21:23, 18 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Okay done, but please readded the additional sources I added. Valoem ^talk ^contrib 21:24, 18 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I will read it shortly without the sources that failed verification and the minor copyright violation and without adding two images. One image is enough for juul. It would be better to add an image of a Pax device. The draft I mentioned will also be added to the page. QuackGuru (talk) 21:26, 18 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, two picture look to cluttered. I am sure those are reliable sources. Valoem ^talk ^contrib 21:35, 18 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Some sources did not pass V, but I already fixed it. QuackGuru (talk) 21:36, 18 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Which ones, and can you merge it? Valoem ^talk ^contrib 21:39, 18 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Done with merge and expanding page. I fixed the ones in the draft a while ago. QuackGuru (talk) 21:50, 18 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The article is actually better and more descriptive. Nice job! Valoem ^talk ^contrib 22:44, 18 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

That's not what they say for my editing at the other vaping pages. Later on there will be fireworks at the other pages. I am patient. If I have to wait a year or two then then is fine with me. QuackGuru (talk) 22:52, 18 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Ahem

I'm not involved in any of this crap, but now may be a good time to take a break, and have a nice walk or something. TimothyJosephWood 14:14, 17 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Getting anti-fringe trolled right now. Valoem ^talk ^contrib 14:20, 17 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Timothyjosephwood: Hey, I'm not talking about you, I'm talking about the person calling me a shill, hard to AGF after that. Valoem ^talk ^contrib 19:22, 17 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The Dark Tapes film

I am not sure how to use this talk feature. I BEG you, PLEASE do NOT put spoilers for "The Dark Tapes" film. You can have a full plot synopsis without spoilers. I am sorry, but people check out WIKI pages BEFORE seeing the film. PLEASE do not include the spoilers, I know for a FACT they look at wiki before watching the film. You will entirely spoil the movie for everyone. I beg you, please revert to my changes or just remove it from wiki. PLEASE. It ruins years of work, spoils the film, I beg you, please revert to my chances without the spoilers. Sorry, I dont know how to sign this. The Dark Tapes was done by three people mostly. The entire strength of the film is not knowing the spoilers. Please, we beg you, switch our wiki to spoiler free, we are not a big studio, people only find the film through word of mouth and often research the film via google and will read wiki before seeing the film. PLEASE switch. — Preceding unsigned comment added by HorrorMaster (talk • contribs) 23:37, 11 June 2017 (UTC) 05:35, 13 June 2017 (UTC) Please, I am begging you, you do not HAVE to put up spoilers. I am fully aware that most people do on wiki. 4 years of work and $65,000 of my own money went into this money. The only reason to watch it is for the twists and turns. Give a play by play playout with the spoilers included adds nothing for people who have seen it. PLEASE, PLEASE PLEASE give some consideration to what I asking. Can't you just switch it to what I corrected? I understand you can put spoilers, it does not mean you HAVE to. I wont make a cent on the movie as is, I just want to break-even. PLEASE. Surely wikipedia does not exist to take money from creators of films. This is exactly what the listing does. PLEASE. — Preceding unsigned comment added by HorrorMaster (talk • contribs) [reply]

User:HorrorMaster, all the content is unsourced. Why should unsourced content be restored anywhere on Wikipedia? QuackGuru (talk) 15:58, 13 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@QuackGuru:, There is an exception with plot summary in film, WP:PLOTSUM (all FA film articles have unsourced plot summary and here is the guildline Wikipedia:FILMPLOT, Since the film is the primary source and the infobox provides details about the film, citing the film explicitly in the plot summary's section is not necessary.), however if HorrorMaster actually works for the studio and can prove it I won't revert. Valoem ^talk ^contrib 19:57, 13 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The sky is very blue for this case. QuackGuru (talk) 20:08, 13 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I am the creator/writer/producer/director of the film. If you can guide me what to do to prove myself, let me know, or if you need posters and or anything added, please let me know. — Preceding unsigned comment added by HorrorMaster (talk • contribs) 21:35, 13 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Nomination of Alec Torelli for deletion

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MfD nomination of User:Valoem/KnowledgeLake

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Tsoukernik

“Hi, I’m sad to report that I’m not Leon, (I could use some helicopters) just a neophyte wikiperson who seems to have chosen a tricky interest to edit. I removed this section because the language seems biased and doesn’t mention that Tsang and Kirk happen to know each other, that there’s some mystery around where Kirk got so much money from in the first place when he’s known to have lost an awful lot, and why Tsang would be lending money to someone who clearly didn’t need it? Curious. And I haven’t even mentioned the Triads. Also, though sources may exist they hardly amount to the New York Times. Reporting on speculation amounts to tabloid sources in my book, but I’m learning that the process here is down to the shifting sands of individuals’ whims.” Hey ho. we stumble on. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Royston McGee (talk • contribs) 19:18, 25 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Royston McGee:, you have not shown a "tricky interest", but an account with the single intention of promoting Leon Tsoukernik and his affiliations. Sources include CardPlayer, HighStakesDB, and PokerNews have written the story the exact way it is written here. I have not found any sources regarding Tsang as being a Triad member nor is there speculation from any sources of Matt Kirk's net worth. If there are sources this is Wikipedia, and you can add them, but they must be reliable. Your argument "why Tsang would be lending money to someone who clearly didn’t need it" is the silliest argument and suggests direct affiliation with subject in question. People don't have cash on hand, at the time Tsoukernik had a good reputation winning multiple awards in poker. High stakes players loan money all the time. In this case it was Tsoukernik who started a credit game, unfortunately sources says he only pays what he wants and not what is owed, unfortunate indeed. Valoem ^talk ^contrib 20:11, 25 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion at Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Killing_of_Patrick_Harman

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Nomination of Joe's Steaks + Soda Shop for deletion

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Nomination of Dalessandro's Steaks for deletion

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Tomato pie

Have you had a chance to read my comments on Talk:Trenton tomato pie‎ or Talk:Sicilian pizza‎? -Apocheir (talk) 20:34, 2 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Respectfully, Anomalocaris (talk) 20:32, 4 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Anomalocaris: Did I fix it? Valoem ^talk ^contrib 20:35, 4 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, thanks! —Anomalocaris (talk) 20:36, 4 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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MfD nomination of User:Valoem/Hopeh Incident

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Some pan pizza for you!

Thanks for creating the new Pan pizza article! North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 21:25, 29 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Happy New Year!

Valoem,
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Danielle Stislicki

I will probably !vote for deletion. Only one source is cited and it's purely local. A story like this needs to have some evidence of national-level attention (I suspect it will eventually attain that, but we can't use that as reason to keep). Daniel Case (talk) 23:30, 26 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Daniel Case:, Thanks for letting me know, sorry I don't have regular access to the internet at this time. I don't know if this changes anything, but she has been covered in national news Inquisitr, Huffington Post, another Huff Post Inquisitr again. She disappeared 2016 and has been receiving continued coverage on a new weekly basis for the entire year. [1], [2], [3]. I am not sure if this defines notability in this instance, I tend to look for test of time or inclusion in documentaries or docudramas, but I wasn't sure. Let me know if this changes anything. Valoem ^talk ^contrib 17:24, 30 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Vimala's Curryblossom Cafe

This was not suitable for a nac nor does your close suggest you did anything other than vote count. Please revert your close so an admin can do it. Spartaz ^Humbug! 09:58, 27 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Frank Dux

Personally, I'd put the DoB back in. If it is unreliable then the article can explain why. Unless there is a better, more accurate, source for it that says differently?

It's really not up to us, as Wikipedia editors, to cast doubt on what someone says about themselves unless there are good sources that do this. Particularly when it is as relatively trivial as a birth date. It really makes little difference to who he is, or what he has (allegedly) done. --Escape Orbit ^(Talk) 12:45, 29 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Unprodding of Vietinbank VC

Hi you unprodded the above article but didn't leave an edit summary explaining why or address the problems that I noted. I was curious to know why you unprodded the article. I know that it is not mandatory to give an explanation or improve the article when deprodding but it is useful. Cheers Dom from Paris (talk) 09:59, 1 February 2018 (UTC) Dom from Paris (talk) 09:59, 1 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Domdeparis: Yes I did leave a message in the talk page and posted a message on a Vietnamese editors page I was hoping they would be able to find additional sources since English sources may not exist. Valoem ^talk ^contrib 05:29, 2 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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David Owen Brooks

Thanks for creating the above article. The previous Wikipedia article on this subject was deleted several years ago. I'm no new article patrolling individual or suchlike, just basically trying to say I'll be happy to help expand this article with you (and maybe others) over the coming weeks.--Kieronoldham (talk) 02:06, 10 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds great! Valoem ^talk ^contrib 17:55, 10 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

MfD nomination of User:Valoem/List of auteurs

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@Legacypac:, I’ve informed you in the past to please discuss with me before notminating a user page in my space. This one is important please withdraw the nomination in good faith thanks. Valoem ^talk ^contrib 17:49, 10 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I have no recollection of such notification, but feel free to make a case at the MfD and I'll consider supporting your keep rational. Legacypac (talk) 17:52, 10 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Valoem, depending on whether everything was merged, this could be a case for deletion review. But it will be more practical to imply merge in the additional people--at least all of those that do not have a source. If the source is only a book, without a page number, there might be some challenge, so it would be clearest to try to find them, at least as a first step. I think they are somewhere in the edit history of the merged article. If you can't find them, let me know. DGG ( talk ) 21:02, 17 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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ITN recognition for Austin package explosions

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Goat people AFD close

Hey, uh... regarding Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Goat people, would you mind elaborating? "Keep" just amounts to throwing out the views of half of the commenters: 7-6 in favour of keeping (disregarding the fact that a number of "keep" or "rename" comments didn't present coherent arguments or misquoted policy) is at best "No consensus, default to keep". Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 02:35, 27 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Hijiri88:, I believe sources provided by Cunard specifically addressed the issues presented at AfD since AfD is technically not a vote. I have elaborated the keep with a possible rename. The second source provided Field Guide to the Little People: A Curious Journey Into the Hidden Realm of Elves, Faeries, Hobgoblins & Other Not-so-mythical Creatures states "The most famous of these are the Panes, Satyrs, and Sileni of classical Greece", which suggests the article is not synth. It appears that clean up is better than deletion or merging based on policy based rationale. Do you have an issues? If you do insist I don't mind changing it to no consensus defaulting to keep, but I do believe the sources provided lean this toward keep. Valoem ^talk ^contrib 15:52, 27 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with Spartaz, and will add that the sources cited in the close rationale are not independent and objective. The text and especially the forewords of Field Guide to the Little People: A Curious Journey Into the Hidden Realm of Elves, Faeries, Hobgoblins & Other Not-so-mythical Creatures and Animal Dreaming: The Spiritual and Symbolic Language of the Australasian Animals explicitly argue that paranormal creatures are real. - LuckyLouie (talk) 17:03, 27 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I understand that you have been on an anti-fringe movement, however the sources provided are published secondary sources, I would be more than willing to see what Hijiri88 opinion is here as to how to proceed, a no consensus close is not an objection I have. Hijiri88 asked only for an elaboration, which I am more than happy to expand, there are additional sources which are can be provided, on top of that the source Animal Dreaming: The Spiritual and Symbolic Language of the Australasian Animals clearly states this is mythological. Also your claim that the first source suggesting these are real, though I am not seeing evidence of this, it does not suggest the source is not independent. Are you saying that Field Guide to the Little People: A Curious Journey Into the Hidden Realm of Elves, Faeries, Hobgoblins & Other Not-so-mythical Creatures is the creator of this myth? Valoem ^talk ^contrib 17:13, 27 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Insinuations that I'm part of some nefarious "movement" won't gain you any traction here. There are many reliable academic sources published on the study of mythology. The two sources you have given as a closing rationale are not independent of the belief in paranormal creatures, and can't be considered an authoritative source of fact about how mythical creatures are categorized. I'm not sure how anyone can read the forewords contained in both of those books and miss the arguments for why readers should believe in the supernatural realm. Again, there's a good chance higher quality sources are available, i.e. scholarly studies of mythology by objective academics. - LuckyLouie (talk) 17:39, 27 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Not sure how you came to the claim of "nefarious" movement, only that you have a history of bias against fringe topics including reverting time slip against consensus because another editor added fringe information. Also your explanation does not mean the source is not independent of the subject and there are no issues with the source Animal Dreaming: The Spiritual and Symbolic Language of the Australasian Animals and here are additional sources The Mythology of Grimm: The Fairy Tale and Folklore Roots of the Popular TV Show, but yes there are high quality sources regarding this myth in fact another editor posted the Chinese myth in the discussion with this source here. I'll change it to no consensus to resolve any issues. Valoem ^talk ^contrib 17:41, 27 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Valoem Just a reminder. Your personal opinions, e.g. I understand that you have been on an anti-fringe movement and you have a history of bias against fringe topics, are not appropriate here per WP:TALKNO. - LuckyLouie (talk) 18:03, 27 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Then you have misinterpreted the context which I was speaking, in no way did I intend the comment to be interpreted as a personal attack. I don't think it was neutral to merge an entire article because some random editor added fringe information, I hope you understand where I am coming from. Valoem ^talk ^contrib 18:08, 27 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Your disdain for other opinions are such that im not going to waste community time at drv. I have undone your close. Spartaz ^Humbug! 19:46, 27 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

No, your abrasive personal attacks against me will end now. If Hijiri88 (talk · contribs) asks me to reopen the case. I will gladly. You have fabricated evidence against me here and I will gladly discuss this. You have also personally threatened my family with the edit "Do you have children Valoem", an edit which you deleted out of the history that I will request to be restored. I elected not to engaged you anymore, but if you continue this childish desire for victory, you can take it to ANI. I gladly discussed with you. I have spoken with LuckyLouie (talk · contribs) on his talk page and any editor acting in good faith which both Louie and Hijiri88 are. How would you like me to proceed? Valoem ^talk ^contrib 20:07, 27 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

What discussion did we have bearing in mind you removed my request to revert without comment. You grasp of events seems very tenuous today. Spartaz ^Humbug! 14:03, 28 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I made a follow up here on DGG's talk page. The proper channel as you know is WP:DRV. Your edit history against me is bad faith editing. Feel free to open an ANI if DRV fails, but grow up and move on. You do not engage me directly without a profound apology of your past behavior. Your behavior as an administrator is unbecoming. Valoem ^talk ^contrib 20:18, 27 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know anything about goat people or most of the other issues in this discussion, but I happen to still have this user talk page on my watchlist, so I'll comment. A non-admin closure is not appropriate in this case, because the outcome is a close call and controversial. (The fact that it's a close call is obvious, because you apparently changed your mind about the outcome.) See WP:Non-admin closure. I would suggest that you revert your close and either relist the discussion or wait for an admin to close it. —Granger (talk · contribs) 20:17, 27 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Any admin who is not Spartaz may do as he likes and I changed my close to make an uncontroversial close. Valoem ^talk ^contrib 20:18, 27 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

By the way, you should use the template {{nac}} when performing non-admin closures. —Granger (talk · contribs) 20:19, 27 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Sure. Also there is no other possible close than no consensus or keep. Goat people is a historical concept stemming from multiple cultures. Valoem ^talk ^contrib 20:23, 27 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

That's your opinion, and a supervote. The other editors who commented to that effect were unable to provide reliable secondary sources; an admin (with the technical ability to close as "delete") might have dismissed those !votes that essentially amounted to unsourced personal opinion, which would give a clear consensus to either delete or redirect. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 22:00, 28 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Valoem, regardless of other matters, a nac was not appropriate in view of the diversity of opinions. I suggest you revert yourself. DGG ( talk ) 00:42, 28 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

If any editor @Mx. Granger:, @LuckyLouie:, or @Hijiri88: still wishes for me to reopen the discussion I will gladly. I also have no issues if @DGG: would like to reopen it please feel free do to so. Valoem ^talk ^contrib 04:14, 28 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Given the number of subsequent edits, I unfortunately have no idea how to do it properly. If someone does, please do it for me. DGG ( talk ) 04:32, 28 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Done Valoem ^talk ^contrib 04:37, 28 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Personal attacks--False accusations

Add that these are Doxing and personal attacks. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 Dave Dial (talk) 15:39, 4 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Are you seriously suggesting my defense to your comments and highlighting comments you actually made is a PA? Valoem ^talk ^contrib 15:45, 4 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

You have accused me of being a banned sockpuppet. Mischaracterized my interests, accused me of lying about myself and have tried to dox me. If you believe these things, then you should take them to the appropriate venues. Which is SPI and/or ANI. If you do not believe these accusations, then you should apologize for making these accusations on various Talk pages and drop the doxing attempts. Either one or the other, bud. Dave Dial (talk) 16:30, 4 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Draft:TSM Myth (streamer)

Hello seems like I saw you made an article like ninja can you help me with this thank you so much :) in advance. Personale (talk) 07:20, 11 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Personale:, the article need some reliable sources though I am certain this person is notable. Here are some sources [4], [5], [6], and [7]/ Valoem ^talk ^contrib 13:04, 11 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Valoem it's very hard for me as im still quite new, but i will try if i have enough time thanks for the sources. :) Cheers. Personale (talk) 07:20, 11 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

does this source necessary? cant find any about him. [8] though

Personale (talk) 05:55, 12 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Re: Bust of Cristiano Ronaldo

Thanks for attempting to restore the article. I really don't know why one editor is so against having another AfD discussion, so I've resorted to Talk:Bust_of_Cristiano_Ronaldo#Request_for_comment:_Should_the_article_"Bust_of_Cristiano_Ronaldo"_exist_in_main_space? in an attempt to get editors to re-assess notability. You can comment there, if you'd like. The comment you left lower on the page is kind of part of the discussion, but that won't transclude and might be overlooked by other editors participating in the RfC. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 19:13, 12 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Another Believer: this is clearly notable and passes GNG. Valoem ^talk ^contrib 18:46, 13 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, which is why I started this discussion. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 19:43, 13 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Commenting on RfCs

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No I see, they are left for discussion on talk pages, I was unaware at the time. Valoem ^talk ^contrib 18:34, 13 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Columbia University rape controversy edits

You're edit warring here and you still haven't provided much of a justification for this particular edit. Time to pump the breaks and work on gaining consensus. Nblund^talk 12:38, 26 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

What edit wars? There is a solid disagreement, the version you have edited purposefully removed Nugesser's strong argument which he provided as a lawsuit against Columbia. It is the strongest piece of evidenced used by media for his presumed innocence. Valoem ^talk ^contrib 15:11, 27 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Emma Sulkowicz

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Hi, I highlighted multiple sources that used that exact word. Removing such claims can result in an ANI. Valoem ^talk ^contrib 01:49, 1 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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JUUL - External links

Hi Valoem, I work on behalf of JUUL UK, would it be possible to add the UK official website to the external links section?^[1] Website: https://www.juul.co.uk/ 89.197.82.107 (talk) 14:05, 24 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Wikipedia:Deletion review#Ryan Worsley (closed)

Hi, I'd like to ask you to consider undoing your closure of this discussion, and let an administrator handle it. At around 6:4 in terms of numbers, any consensus to overturn my closure is at the least not very clear. Close calls should be left to administrators, per WP:NACD. Thanks, Sandstein 10:56, 1 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

For what it's worth, my first thought on seeing this was the same. But, the more I looked at the discussion (which, by my count, I made 7:3), I was OK with the WP:NAC. Our instructions talk about, cases where the outcome is patently obvious or where a discussion has not been closed in good time. Even if this doesn't meet the patently obvious clause, it does meet, not been closed in a good time. Maybe we want to re-word that to be and instead of or? In any case, I've listed this at WP:ANRFC. -- RoySmith (talk) 14:32, 1 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@RoySmith: Thanks for the follow up I actually though my close was the only possible close. Sandstein (talk · contribs) questioned it so I reopened. The problem is all the usual DRV closers have participated in this DRV, I was just trying to do some basic maintenance. Valoem ^talk ^contrib 14:49, 1 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@RoySmith and Valoem: Thanks to you both! Sandstein 15:22, 1 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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I can't claim I've looked closely at your record, but what I recall and what I've seen recently makes me think you'd be a fine admin. If you do put yourself forward for that at some point in the future, would you please place a note on my talk page? Thank you. Hobit (talk) 22:13, 1 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Hobit: Of course, I appreciate you comment, you can nominate me if you want. :) Valoem ^talk ^contrib 15:34, 2 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

State casino lists

Hello, what are you trying to achieve with the lists of casinos by state? That information is better integrated into overview articles where it can be presented with more context about the scope and history of gambling in the state. In the case of a few of the articles that you demerged, I wrote the "Gambling in X" article specifically to provide better context to eliminate the need for an anemic list article. Also, in states with just 2 or 3 casinos, why would you want to present them as a list, when the policy is generally to prefer WP:PROSE. Toohool (talk) 06:26, 6 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Toohool:, There have been many templates and most states should maintain such a list as historically they did. I think it makes it easier to see casinos by state in that way. I think 3 or more should have lists. I agree if it is two probably just merge with gambling in that state. Valoem ^talk ^contrib 08:08, 7 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

What do you mean by "there have been many templates"? History is not a reason to do things - the "history" of these state casino lists only exists because one editor wanted to split up List of casinos in the United States years ago. "Easier" is not really the right criterion either; as an encyclopedia, we should strive to cover topics with the depth and context that they merit, rather than splicing out topics into a vapid "quick facts" format. If a reader wants to see the 12 casinos in Oregon, why wouldn't we want to put that list alongside information about how those casinos came to exist and what other major forms of gambling those casinos compete against? Toohool (talk) 08:38, 7 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

It is completely reasonable to merge the small ones, but for states like PA, NJ, LV or any with an extensive list, I disagree. Valoem ^talk ^contrib 17:03, 7 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed that larger lists like Nevada, Oklahoma, Mississippi, etc. should remain as separate articles. The NJ and PA lists are anomalous in that they're currently bloated with stuff that shouldn't be in there (in PA, you included the list of off-track betting parlors, which are definitely not casinos; in NJ, there is a list of non-notable online casinos, as well as an unnecessary list of former names of casinos). With proper trimming, those lists are better off being merged I believe. Toohool (talk) 03:20, 8 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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感谢贡献RAW_(rolling_papers)条目

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Good article nomination for Terry A. Davis

Hi Valoem, I recently read the Terry A. Davis article, and I think it's close to meeting the criteria for being a good article. As one of the top contributors to the article, have you considered nominating it? — Newslinger talk 14:15, 27 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Newslinger: Hey the article looks good it seems Ilovetopaint (talk · contribs) expanded the article considerably. If anyone wants to nominate I support, I believe it does pass GA. Valoem ^talk ^contrib 23:37, 27 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I asked Ilovetopaint on their talk page, but they declined. If you're not interested in nominating the article, would you mind if I nominate it? — Newslinger talk 03:01, 28 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Please do nominate, I support the nomination. Valoem ^talk ^contrib 18:28, 29 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Help updating Girl Scout Cookies

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@FacultiesIntact: The article looks good I only looked for promotion. Good works, I didn't have the time to check every source. Valoem ^talk ^contrib 21:17, 31 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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E-cig brands

I think both MarkTen and LOGIC (electronic cigarette) are not notable. MarkTen has gone out of business and the MarkTen e-cigs are no longer available. Rather than start a deletion discussion I thought both could be redirected. For MakTen I would redirect it to List of electronic cigarette and e-cigarette liquid brands. For LOGIC (electronic cigarette) I would redirect it to Japan Tobacco International and mention it under the Brands section. Vuse can be merged into R. J. Reynolds Vapor Company. QuackGuru (talk) 20:21, 4 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I think Logic and Vuse are notable they can be found through the US. I remember seeing MarkTen as well, but I haven't seen that one in a long time I agree with the merge for MarkTen, but I would prefer the other two remain as stand alone articles. Valoem ^talk ^contrib 22:22, 8 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

A redirect to List of electronic cigarette and e-cigarette liquid brands for MarkTen without a merge.

A redirect to Japan Tobacco International and discuss LOGIC under the Brands section.

A redirect to R. J. Reynolds Vapor Company and discuss Vuse in the main article. Vuse is part of R. J. Reynolds Vapor Company.

There is not enough content for splinter articles and LOGIC and Vuse are not notable enough for stand alone articles. Eventually LOGIC and Vuse will be nominated for deletion. QuackGuru (talk) 22:46, 8 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Fine, can you start an article on Transpacific flight and help expand Transpacific crossing? Valoem ^talk ^contrib 23:03, 8 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Finding sources for Transpacific flight and crossing is an issue. You could add Transatlantic crossing to a see also section. I will continue to discuss it with med project about these e-cig articles. I hope you will comment after I comment. QuackGuru (talk) 23:34, 8 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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I just wanted to say thank you for starting the new page. I don't know who you are IRL, so I just wanted to contact you here and say that I have the Eurohound community behind me and I will be coordinating their efforts to crowdsource the page. I, of course, appreciate all your help. Thank you.Tinjaw (talk) 02:09, 31 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding Removal of Template from 'Death of Kobe Bryant'

At the moment there is no article for the helicopter crash. So, for the time being, shouldn't the template remain? TheEpicGhosty (talk) 00:18, 27 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

There is an article 2020 Island Express Sikorsky S-76B crash, but it has been redirected and protected without discussion, therefore we need to wait until the outcome. Valoem ^talk ^contrib 00:21, 27 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

You can't simply remove the template unilaterally on an article like this, you must seek consensus on the talk page. John F. Kennedy Jr. plane crash exists and has an infobox. Hemiauchenia (talk) 00:29, 27 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Hemiauchenia: Yes you can same as the 2020 Island Express Sikorsky S-76B crash was redirect and protected without consensus or even a discussion. The discussion is about moving the information regarding the crash to the article about the crash as well as the fact that this article is about Kobe not the crash. Valoem ^talk ^contrib 00:37, 27 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Just because another decision was made unilaterally doesn't mean this one should be, multiple users have reverted you and since you have declined to do so I have added a section at Talk:Death_of_Kobe_Bryant on the topic. Hemiauchenia (talk) 00:56, 27 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

There are two editors who opposed this and two editors in favor of have a separate article on the crash itself. I've also been thanked for removing the template in favor of its inclusion on the crash article. Valoem ^talk ^contrib 01:39, 27 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I was also thanked for restoring the infobox. I think we should agree to disagree for now as the current situation is chaotic and nothing will properly be resolved for days. Hemiauchenia (talk) 01:46, 27 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Confused

There are only two articles, Kobe Bryant and Death of Kobe Bryant. 2020 Island Express Sikorsky S-76B crash is a redirect. Whatever the title of the death article eventually ends up being, it will have the aircraft incident infobox, because it is pertinent. Abductive (reasoning) 01:11, 27 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Abductive:, I believe the protection of the redirect is improper. The correct thing to do IMO is to unprotect then expand and add the infobox to 2020 Island Express Sikorsky S-76B crash. Kobe is not the only person who passed away, a vast majority of articles on helicopter crash do not involve famous individuals, this will eventually be split. But it does appear to me that there is a consensus which favors an article focusing on the crash including the renaming of the article to Kobe Bryant plane crash similar to JFK Jr's page. Split the page now while the event is current is best method for expansion. Valoem ^talk ^contrib 01:28, 27 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

You are not considering the needs of the readers. The infobox needs to be there now, no matter what the articles will look like in the future. Abductive (reasoning) 02:05, 27 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The needs of the reader would be best realized with a full separate article about the crash. We cannot include details of the technicalities of the accident in an article about the death of Kobe. Adding the infobox may prevent the split which would be determinantal to reader. These are long term considerations. Unfortunately many editors in general on this encyclopedia care more about "winning" then what is actually best for the reader. After being here so far long, I've seen this time and time again where editors merge content against consensus and then tout how they were "right" because editors lose interest over time. I know you are not doing this, but these things do happen and the goal is to prevent any individualist goals. Valoem ^talk ^contrib 02:16, 27 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I have found that split/forked articles lose readership non-linearly. And those details are what interest a great many people. "The Death of ..." must explain the death. I'm not even clear what else would be in such an article, maybe an execrable "Reactions" section? Abductive (reasoning) 02:52, 27 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Death of notable individuals should include information about the incident as well as immediate and lasting impact. For example, the Death of Michael Jackson would include an investigation section as he was the only/primary victim. Because there are multiple victims in this case a separate article is warrented. What we cannot do is include other victims unrelated to Kobe in article about his death, after all theses are not "Victims" of the Death of Kobe Bryant, but victims of the 2020 helicopter crash, am I making sense here? Valoem ^talk ^contrib 02:59, 27 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I understand your premise that a separate article on the crash is necessary. But until there is one, blackmailing the readers—and editors who care about the readers—by weakening the Death of Kobe Bryant article is diametrically opposed to what Wikipedia stands for. Abductive (reasoning) 04:59, 27 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Abductive: You must be confused, removing unrelated information strengthens the article and moving that information to the proper article strengthens the encyclopedia as a whole. The editors who favor the splitting of two article as quickly as possible are the editor who actually care about the readers therefore editors who prevent the splitting of two separate articles are in fact "blackmailing" the readers as you said. Policy dictates we should and must have separate articles. The strongest editors are the ones who provide the proper information to the readers without bias. You've been on Wikipedia long enough to know about Wikienvy, these are the editors who are not here to build an encyclopedia, but to "win" an argument. Let's take a look at Diversified technique and other fringe science articles. Everyday these articles have information removed for a merge. The editors who do so are certainly not here for the viewers, but because they do not want fringe science on an encyclopedia they feel should only focus on the subjects which they devoted most of their life to. Both Octomom and Snooki were nominated despite blatantly passing WP:GNG. Some editors do not like the fact certain people pass GNG when they themselves do not, the best example is Günter Bechly who clearly passed GNG when he focus on evolution, but "lost favor" with editors when he began to believe in intelligent design. I am the editor who had UFO sightings in outer space restored. Those who favored deletion were unable to cite any kind of policy for deletion. I've been fighting for the viewers since day one and what I see here is an attempt to merge a notable crash which killed nine people into an article solely about Kobe Bryant. In order to prevent this we cannot merge the information because the initial editors who favored the merge will argue that the information is already here and there is no need for a split in order to maintain their "victory". This is what hurts the viewers the most. Please do make it clear that I am not suggesting the editors involved in this topic have this intention, only historically these things tend to happen and in this case leaving unrelated information out can prevent this. Valoem ^talk ^contrib 05:28, 27 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:2019–20 coronavirus pandemic data

Hi Valoem! Here's the discussion I was referring to when reverting: Template:2019–20 coronavirus pandemic data#Outdated recoveries when there is no official data. Best, --MarioGom (talk) 15:01, 2 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I left a message with the updated figure from Arcgis here. Valoem ^talk ^contrib 15:02, 2 April 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:558:6027:81:4591:ADCC:59B2:4A74 (talk) [reply]

Thanks, Guararjun also created socks

see Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Gaurarjun/Archive. Doug Weller talk 05:42, 15 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Link to one of your user pages

Hi Valoem. Please see this edit at User:JuJube which I made per a request at WP:RFED. User:WT79 The Engineer wanted to credit User:JuJube for his work on a draft article about a band called Alquimia, which is now hosted in your user space at User:Valoem/Alquimia. Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 16:58, 31 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, of course please do. Valoem ^talk ^contrib 23:51, 31 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Redirected article

Hi Valoem, I've seen you rescued Joel (The Last of Us) which people are grateful, but they refused to think that Max Caulfield isn't notable given that sources plus I found more [10], do you think you can restore it to mainspace back?. 178.153.45.46 (talk) 11:21, 28 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I don't really know anything about that character I've never heard of the game. It seems most the sources are dead links, but there need to be reliable sources with character analysis not just plot outlines, there should be enough if you make a good article with solid sources. If you make a user name and add strong character analysis sources, I can help you attempt to restore. Valoem ^talk ^contrib 00:17, 29 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

EDIT I noticed you are working on Ness which I do know about and is definitely notable I'll restore that for you. Valoem ^talk ^contrib 00:31, 29 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Chink-a-chink vs matrix

Please see this, thanks! Maury Markowitz (talk) 18:46, 28 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The first known outbreak of the Spanish Flu was in Allied Armies. The origin of the strain is unknown but the first known outbreak was within Allied Armies.

It is disputed some say it came from China, also the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia is in fact the same country and government as Serbia and Montenegro. Valoem ^talk ^contrib 17:58, 29 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The Federal Republic of Yugoslavia and State Union of Serbia and Montenegro were different political entities. However the wikipedia article for Serbia and Montenegro appears to include both countries. This is still inaccurate, and in the same way there are different articles for the Kingdom of Great Britain/Kingdom of Ireland, United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland, and United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. Or the Irish Free State and modern day Ireland (sometimes referred to as the Republic of Ireland). Although terroritery controlled by both states did not change, the actual nation did. From 2003 Montenegro was independent in all affairs aside from International Relations and defense. Serbia and Montenegro did not even use the same currency. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Azaan Habib (talk • contribs) 19:43, 29 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

If this is correct then you can restore a version in the redirects history. Your editing has been highly contentious and had all been reverted. Your first edit was an unsourced political statement about Econ Times. You seem to hold a grudge against the left and I’m someone who does have issues with certain far left beliefs but I don’t go about it like you are. Given the fact it is a new account there is cause for concern. Valoem ^talk ^contrib 20:35, 29 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

How can you claim I believe in a New World Order? Covid-19 has been referred to quite often by President of the United States of America, Donal Trump, as the China Virus, and the first documented outbreak of the Spanish Flu was within Allied armies, the actual origin is unknown. Is there a reason why you failed to read my edits and labelled my likely believer of a New World Order? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Azaan Habib (talk • contribs) 19:52, 29 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

It doesn’t have anything to do with that more so the edit on the Spanish flu. Some NWOs believe the Spanish flu was spread some Illuminati forces within the west bent on destroying the west. Valoem ^talk ^contrib 20:35, 29 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Editing Serbia and Montenegro

I have added my edits onto the article for Serbia and Montenegro instead. I have used near to seventy citations and am unable to find the grudge against the left you speak of. The original article only had around 24 citations. I do still think the FR Yugoslavia should have separate article, considering it was a completely different country except by land area, like the Irish Free State versus modern day Ireland.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/2724047.stm Yugoslavia died in 2003 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Azaan Habib (talk • contribs) 09:13, 30 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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@Doug Weller: I've already replaced the source with snopes.com which is listed at Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources as reliable. Valoem ^talk ^contrib 13:35, 2 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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see my comment DGG ( talk ) 01:00, 8 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@DGG: Thanks, I would support a DRV regarding this on the basis AfD is not a vote, I found the keep arguments more policy based than those favoring deletion. There is also an AfD on Cédric d'Udekem d'Acoz and Jens Franzen. I think both pass WP:NPROF with the ladder on its way to being kept. Valoem ^talk ^contrib 04:09, 8 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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