Talk:Edward L. Doheny

"Died of old age"?

Good grief... there is no such cause of death - plus the man was not even eighty years old! I changed it to "died of unspecified causes". If anyone knows of a specified cause, by all means do correct it. But "old age" is NOT a disease and is certainly not a CAUSE of death. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.143.66.190 (talk) 00:31, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

People do die of old age, and living to even 40 years was an accomplishment if you go back before modern medicine. For the time period, living to 79 was a real accomplishment, it wasn't that long ago that the average life expectancy for a male was 72 years. Saying "unspecified causes" indicates more than one cause, and that it may be secretive. I think died of old age is respectful and accurate enough. Mukanil (talk) 21:50, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Actually the time of his death was about the time they stopped using "old age" on death certificates. --76.115.67.114 (talk) 07:14, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

I noticed that Mukanil (talk) has not been around since 2011. The original poster is correct. Saying that somebody dies of "old age" is a great inaccuracy. One's age does not cause death. Difficulties that may appear as the body ages cause death, but one's chronological age does not cause death. Taram (talk) 23:00, 20 December 2016 (UTC)

"and living to even 40 years was an accomplishment if you go back before modern medicine" -- what does "modern medicine" mean? Living to 40 wasn't even a big feat in Medieval times. Don't confuse the average lifespan with how long people actually lived after reaching a certain age. Before 'modern medicine' it was common for babies to die in childbirth or infancy, which skewed the average.

Agree with the OP - "old age" isn't a cause of death, although the immune system does weaken with age. By itself it's not a cause of death. ELD wasn't 80 when he died; others live much longer.Jonathan f1 (talk) 06:17, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

Wilmington Oil Field

The Los Angeles City Oil Field is located directly northwest of downtown Los Angeles and is about 15 miles north of the much larger and more important Wilmington Oil Field, located in the Los Angeles-Long Beach harbor area. There is no geographic or geologic connection between the two, other than they are both in the Los Angeles Basin. - WMThomas (talk) 00:08, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Philanthropy

Um, how does building a mansion as a wedding gift for your son or transporting a friend's brother in your yacht for medical treatment qualify as philanthropy?? It is generally agreed-upon that philanthropy is monetary, and benefits the needy or the general public (not friends and relatives!). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.214.182.91 (talk) 23:00, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

It doesn't. I moved the Greystone out of "Philanthropy" and into "Family". The yacht story, in my opinion, could be deleted. At the least should be moved. > Best O Fortuna (talk) 05:17, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

It's ridiculous this section even exists. Thank the Randites.

Greystone Mansion?

Should the Greystone Mansion be mentioned in the article? It was one of Doheny's homes. --76.115.67.114 (talk) 07:15, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

It is already in there. > Best O Fortuna (talk) 08:21, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

(How do I start a new topic?). The US Geological Survey was established in 1879. Doheny must have been with one of the predecessor Surveys. Dan Milton — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.96.211.134 (talk) 03:47, 31 January 2015 (UTC)

Dan, Here are the steps you take:

1) Join Wikipedia and get a User name in order to sound like a credible editor on the subject. When just your location IP appears (and the one you used shows you are in Japan), anything you write looks suspiscious.

2)Study the subject and find resources by other authors who specifically indicate something (i.e., in your case that would be that Edward Doheny was either definitely or definitely not in the survey you mention).

3) Take the Wikipedia Adventure at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:The_Wikipedia_Adventure to learn to start using Wikipedia without your edit being removed immediately for a reason such as the entry appearing to be an unsourced opinion. I hope this helps you get started as a Wikipedia editor!

Taram (talk) 04:38, 31 January 2015 (UTC)

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Legal outcome is unusual enough that it needs additional clarification and specifics

At the date and time I'm typing this, this article states that its subject was acquitted twice on Teapot Dome bribery-charges. STRICTLY speaking, that's impossible. An acquitted person can't be retried, and that's in the Constitution of the U.S.A., Fifth Amendment. But sometimes a person acquitted in State court can be tried in Federal court for precisely the same ACTION. But it's never precisely the same CRIME. For instance, those acquitted by State court of murdering for a racist motive might face hate-crime charges in Federal court. More recently there have been some moves to overturn an acquittal if the jury was bribed, the rationale being that if the Prosecution had NO possibility of securing a conviction (because the jury was bribed) then there never really was any jeopardy. There was, in effect, never a "trial" at all, if its outcome was fixed. A "trial", this theory asserts, is when an UNBIASED jury (not a bribed one) decides the facts. But the strategies by which end-runs around the Double Jeopardy clause are executed are complicated enough that when an article asserts that someone was paradoxically acquitted twice for the same crime, the article should explain just exactly what happened rather than leave readers like me scratching their heads and wondering how in the face of the Double Jeopardy clause someone got acquitted for the same offense twice.2600:1700:6759:B000:E894:BFCC:705D:880 (talk) 06:43, 7 February 2024 (UTC)Christopher Lawrence Simpson

Dates need to be examined and corrected

Something is off in the article with regards to factual dates. -The article states that Doheny died in 1927, but it contains a picture of Doheny and his granddaughter Estelle taken in 1928. -According o the West Adams (Los Angeles neighborhood) web site, Doheny died in 1935, not 1927. -Doheny’s son Ned was killed in 1929 at Greystone, the mansion that the elder Doheny built for his son. Edward Doheny Sr. Was taken to the house following the murder, questioned by police, and later returned to his home, along with his grandchildren. My point is, the year of death is incorrect, and if that is wrong, are there other dates that need to be verified in order to ensure accuracy. Cleveexpat (talk) Cleveexpat (talk) 12:17, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

Also the wives are listed under different names in the overview and 3 too many children listed 75.117.181.135 (talk) 22:23, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

Circumstances of the Ned Doheny Murder :

Circumstances of the Ned Doheny Murder :

(The information presented here comes from a Los Angeles Times article published in 1992 titled "Scenes of the Crimes.")

Ned Doheny, son of oil tycoon Edward L. Doheny, was found dead on February 16, 1929 in a guest bedroom of Greystone Mansion alongside the body of his longtime friend and assistant, Hugh Plunkett.

The Greystone Mansion, which encompasses over 46,000 square feet and cost $4 million to build at the time, was built as a gift from Edward L. Doheny to his son, Ned Doheny. Ned's murder occured just months after he, his wife, and their five children moved into the enormous home. His wife, Lucy, claimed that Plunkett, the secretary, let himself in with his key, and that she had not noticed anything until she heard a gunshot coming from the East Wing. Lucy opted not to call the police, instead enlisting the family doctor to investigate with her immediately. Upon arriving, Lucy and the doctor found a distressed Plunkett outside the guest bedroom — he then hurried into the bedroom and proceeded to fire another gunshot, this time at himself, and the two men's bodies were discovered next to each other.

While some speculated that Plunkett killed Doheny due to not being granted a requested raise, others believed reports that claimed the pair were lovers, with Plunkett carrying out the murder-suicide out of fear of discovery. Other theories suggest that Doheny killed himself, backed by the fact that the gun belonged to him and not Plunkett, or that Lucy killed them both after learning of their affair. To add to the mystery, the two men's bodies were buried near each other in a secular cemetery despite the fact that the Doheny family were well known Catholics and often donated generously to Catholic churches. Ned Doheny's parents later donated $1.1 million to USC for a library built in his honor. When the Edward L. Doheny Jr. Memorial Library opened in 1932, California Governor James Rolph Jr. declared: "Here we see perpetuated the love of a father for his dutiful son."

( The information presented here comes from a Los Angeles Times article published in 1992 titled "Scenes of the Crimes.") 64.52.177.143 (talk) 11:43, 26 October 2024 (UTC)