Talk:Flag of Spain

colors

what do the colors mean on the flag of Spain?

they represent one river of gold ( all the gold we took from south america ) and two rivers of blood , that represent all the wars we fought during that period around the world to become the biggest empire of the time .

of course this is a bad joke. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Infinauta (talk • contribs) 22:17, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

They represent the death of one of Roger de Lauria(my great-great-great-great-great-grandfather). He figted against French and Muslims but he was captured and wounded. he touched his wound with 4 fingers and cleand the with a yellow thing. the flag of Aragon is yellow with 4 red lines, from there come the colors of Spain Argentino 23:11, 5 August 2005 (UTC)

This is a lie. It could be the legendary history of the flag of Catalonia, but also it's a lie Someday I'll tell you the real mean os the spanish flag. Belive me, don't belive this argentinian user. I'm a real spanish. Macalla

Although I'm not Spanish, The colours of the Spanish flag may refer to the colours of Castille or they could've been chosen because they are the most common colours used in the Spanish Kingdoms. But these are only guesses. Imperator Honorius 06:47, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

So far as I know the red and yellow meant nothing. The were easy to see at sea (on high seas), that´s all.Charles III was rather sensible when choosing his naval flag.

HISTORICAL NOTE: The Yellow colour symbolises the Gold of Spain... The Red symbolises the Blood shared by the Spaniards during history... the amount on Yellow equals the amount of Red giving a sweet and sour taste of what the history of Spain has been during the last 500 years!!--78.151.139.192 (talk) 19:06, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

As I see it, the colours were chosen because they are easily recognizable at sea. The Spanish Navy was always complaining about the flag with the Burgundy Cross, which was easily mistaken for the English flag. Later on, each colour was given a symbolic meaning (by the way, the blood and gold issues are very common place when trying to attribute symbolism to colours of other countries flags)--Xareu bs (talk) 07:45, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

The fleur-de-lis

What does the fleur-de-lis in the middle of the coat of arms on the flag stand for? Does it stand for when Aragon was held by the French as the Spanish Mark? Imperator Honorius 06:44, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
It´s after the House of Bourbon--Xareu bs 10:20, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
Thankyou Xareu bs. :) ^_^ Imperator Honorius 13:39, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

Off center

Is there any explanation why it's apparently traditional for the coat of arms or whatever insignia to be off center? —Angr 06:21, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Yes, to be visible with low winds. --Xareu bs 10:20, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

El Toro

While using the flag with the bull here may be interesting, I think that it should be in a different gallery, maybe under a new "Trivia" section, because it just doesn't fit well in a gallery where all flags are official. Mountolive | Talk 23:31, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

As you may see, I'm trying to improve the overall article making an historical flags' section. The idea is to not make use of the gallery anymore and create a section in the way I did in Coat of arms of Spain. What do you think about it? The bull may go to that trivia section perfectly. --Maurice27 01:11, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

You have all my support in doing that: the article will look much better (already does after your first edits) if it follows that timely historic order you are suggesting...and then the Trivia section for the bull, please :P ;)

Go for it, boss Mountolive | Talk 04:53, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

Go Flight! --Maurice27 09:25, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

New sections added

Besides the ones for Charles III and 2nd republic, I've added Franco's and transition's sections. --Maurice27 23:00, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

you're doing a great job, man. Now, I've two or three questions:

• tafetán double white (in Charles III section) doesn't make sense. Can't remember whether it was you who added this (probably not) but a clear up is needed
• also in that section, when it reads "the Saint Spirit", is the Holy Spirit meant?
• then, also in this section and the Republican flag, measurements are given (1mx1m in the Republican case) which make the flag square instead of rectangular. Is this correct?

thanks for you great work here. Mountolive | Talk 23:53, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

You know, when translating big portions of text I love to invent new languages... Thanks for all the changes you are making.

• I meant white fabric
• I guess Holy Spirit is definetively the perfect translation in english of "Spiritu sancti" necklace... My God... I should go back to Pennsylvania sometime... ;)
• That's what the article says... I imagine it was the first idea... (See [[1]]

Thanks again for the spelling corrections... --Maurice27 00:19, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

====I propose Holy Ghost instead of Holy Spirit.

I also added Phillip V section. --Maurice27 00:20, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

hey Maurice, I removed a lot from here on length concerns, because the article has become a bit long and that long History intro I think doesn't belong here...but that -and my rv the other day...oops!- doesn't mean that we are not buddies anymore...does it? ;) Mountolive | Talk 02:01, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Added Habsburg Spain section. --Maurice27 01:09, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Added Design, Construction, Flag protocol, Other flags sections and some other improvements. --Maurice27 23:30, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

With or without...

I have changed the order in which the flags of Spain were arranged on the infobox because it was wrong. The flag of Spain is defined on Spanish constitution as divided into three horizontal stripes: red, yellow and red, the yellow stripe being twice the size of each red stripe, without any mention to the coat of arms.

The law regulating the flag says the same but stands too that "En la franja amarilla se podrá incorporar, en la forma que reglamentariamente se señale, el escudo de España."(on the yellow stripes may be incorporated, on the way the regulations will state, the coat of arms of Spain). And the law continues: El escudo de España figurará, en todo caso, en las banderas a que se refieren los apartados uno, dos, tres y cuatro del artículo siguiente. (That is to say that the State and war flags and ensigns must be charged with the Spanish coat of arms, not the rest).

More: The only national regulations currently on force about flags and banners in Spain is the Royal decree 1511/1977, of January 22, (por el que se aprueba el Reglamento de Banderas y Estandartes,Guiones, Insignias y Distintivos).

That Royal decree has been modified only in 1981 (on their rules about the description of the coat of arms), and 2001 by adding a new rule about the Prince of Asturias Standards, and establihes The following:

Rule number 1: "Bandera Nacional: La bandera nacional es la compuesta por tres franjas horizontales, roja, gualda y roja, la gualda de doble anchura que las rojas." (the national flag consists of three horizontal stripes: red, yellow and red, the yellow stripe being twice the size of each red stripe), and includes the flag design, without the coat of arms. Uses: GENERAL.

Rule number 3: "Bandera nacional con Escudo de España: La bandera nacional con el escudo de España es rectangular, con tres listas normales a la vaina, y escudo en ambas caras." Uses: Buques de guerra, arsenales, plazas marítimas, sus castillos y fortalezas, así como otros cualesquiera de las costas, aeródromos, campamentos, cuarteles y demás dependencias militares. Ministerios y edificios de la Administración del Estado, incluyendo los situados en el extranjero que gocen de la extraterritorialidad. (I daren't translate it, sorry).

I think the Constitution, the Law and the regulations are enough clear to state that the flag of Spain is the one without the coat of arms, and the other one though it is not forbidden for civilian uses, it is established only for institutional uses.

So, if somebody finds the law where it is established that the flag of Spain must wear the coat of arms, please bring it here. --Ignacio (talk) 09:42, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

I agree with the expressed here above. I would only say that it will be interesting to make clear in the article that the one with CoA is the one to be used in official purposes but also "tolerated" and (may I even say) "encouraged" in civil use as it lacks of the legal restrictions of use of other flags. The one with CoA has become the flag used de facto by the majority of Spaniards. --MauritiusXXVII ^{(Aut Doce, Aut Disce, Aut Discede!)} 12:43, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Maurice, what you say is totally right. I think it would be a good idea to specify that. --Ignacio (talk) 15:38, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Meanwhile Ignacio, let's wait a bit. I have made contact with a relative which has a degree in protocol related to the symbols and heraldry. I asked him about which of both flags is the one to be used, the civil or the official. His answer was that the official is to be used and that he will send me by email some sources and information about this. I noticed to him what the constitution and the 1981 law say. His answer remained that the one with CoA still to be remain the principal one. Give me some hours to see if I receive this information. --MauritiusXXVII ^{(Aut Doce, Aut Disce, Aut Discede!)} 17:36, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Well, in the book "Banderas de España" by Calvo and Grávalos , The flag WITH coat is under this title: "Bandera de Endrizar" (literally to be flown on a flagpole). It does also explain the article in the constitution and the royal decree. It is funny to mention that there is not a single place in the book where the flag WITHOUT coat appears (apart the merchant one). This explanation is not much different from what we have already said. The clue would be if we can call "flag" a version (the one without coat) which cannot officially be flown... This is the only information I was able to find... --MauritiusXXVII ^{(Aut Doce, Aut Disce, Aut Discede!)} 08:25, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

With the explanations given above, I don't understand why the BBC and others are using the Spanish flag with Coat of Arms for the Spanish football team in the world cup. Should it not be the flag, plain?Drg40 (talk) 10:29, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Mostly, the civil flag is regarded as the national flag of the country. I think that would be the one without the arms, as it is in Germany, Austria and Poland. The whole thing seems to confusing There is a tradition in Latin American countries where the flag is more a symbol of the state than of the country and people, but even there stae and civil versions exist. Perhaps that is of influence in Spain as well?..Gerard von Hebel (talk) 00:27, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

References

Trivia Section?

Shouldn't trivia sections be avoided in articles as much as possible? I couldn't help but to notice this when I first looked at the article. It seems to be mostly lacking in citations anyway, with the exception of one of the facts on the list, so I strongly question the section's inclusion in the text. Therefore, I decided to tag it for further discussion. American Imperialist (talk) 13:14, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

There's a guideline on trivia sections: "Sections with lists of miscellaneous information (such as "trivia" sections) should be avoided as an article develops. Such information is better presented in an organized way."

I agree with you: tag the section (done), discuss the section (doing), and move referenced claims into the main body of the article.

I'll try and go through the section later and find references.

Cheers, This flag once was red^propaganda_deeds 19:30, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

Colours

The two main flag versions are different shades - yet they're not supposed to be... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kurtle (talk • contribs) 19:14, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

I can't help notice that many (most) of the flag images used on this page are not using the official colours stated on this page. i.e. "Spain flag construction sheet.svg" is using #ffc400 and #c60b1e at the time of this writing, which is obviously wrong. the difference can be clearly seen since it is positioned next to the table of correct values. seems very strange to me since the correct values are right there, and makes me wonder how many of the other colours are also wrong. -- abfackeln (talk) 19:14, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

Yachts

The text points out that the yachting ensign dates from 1945. It's from 1875. By Royal Order of 10 August 1875, to be precise.

According to this webpage in 1945-77 the Spanish yachting ensign bore an ugly 'blue imperial coronet following the model of the Catholic Kings':

"http://www.crwflags.com/FOTW/FLAGS/es~yacht.html" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.8.98.118 (talk) 12:52, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

And in April 1931 it was adopted the republican flag for leisure boats: The Republican red-yellow-purple flag with a mural crown in the middle. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.85.148.202 (talk) 10:07, 19 April 2011 (UTC)

"http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/flags/es~y1875.html" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.8.98.118 (talk) 11:14, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

Aragonese origin?

It sounds likely, but the truth is that Charles III's 1785 decree says nothing about that. The king asked for a high-visibility ensign and didn't mentioned that the design should be based on historical Castilian and Aragonese flags. Charles III might have chosen a blue and yellow design or a red and white one, for instance. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.8.98.118 (talk) 11:57, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

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Bicolour or tricolour?

I just reverted an edit which I believe was made in good faith, suggesting that the flag of spain is a bicolour flag, not a tricolour. I'm pretty confident that the three lines makes it a tricolour, regardless of the number of colours that are used - am I correct here?  viljo  ^talk 10:43, 27 August 2020 (UTC)

Hex colours

I recently updated the (raster-containing) SVG of the civil flag (without crest) and used the hex colours specified in the article. Swiftly, that got reverted by the person who had uploaded the previous SVG, claiming that the colours were incorrect. None of the existing flags appear to use the hex colours that are specified in both the English and Spanish articles.

Which can we conclude: that the hex colours specified in the articles are incorrect, or we need to perform some wholesale fixes of the flag imagery? Or perhaps some pseudo-state?

-- AtomCrusher 13:31, 8 June 2021 (UTC)

The text says castles are masoned sable but at least some of them in illustrations are not.

The text of this articles states, in one place (as of the date and time I'm typing this) that the stones of bricks in the castles of Castille are joined together with a mortar, cement, or grout that is black in color. Yet those outlines don't appear to be black in at least some of the illustrations. They look like just a darker shade of yellow. Can someone please go through and recolor and make sure they're all black or, otherwise, add text that explains the variations and cite where and when some blazons say "masoned sable" and other's say something else?2600:1700:6759:B000:1C64:8308:33BC:E2D6 (talk) 05:35, 13 August 2023 (UTC)Christopher Lawrence Simpson

You can create an account and fix the images yourself if it bothers you. 98.248.84.55 (talk) 16:48, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

there are skulls in the crown on the flag

like do you see it if you look at the crown the dots are not connected so they have to be eyes to a skull please validate me 66.220.227.162 (talk) 18:18, 15 December 2023 (UTC)