Talk:Greenwood, Mississippi

Ref problems

I'm having problems with the references on the bottom. I'm not sure what is going wrong. Jwh335 (talk) 04:07, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Grand Blvd.

I've heard Grand Blvd. cited as the most beautiful street and once when staying there in a hotel, the hotel pamphlet cited it as in the top 10 most beautiful streets in America. Can anyone find solid evidence of this?

See photo and reference just added. Pepso2 (talk) 21:45, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, that was me requesting. I'll see about adding a better photo next time I'm that way.. --nezZario (talk) 23:29, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

KKK flyer

this is in reference to this diff here

Brucehartford, i don't see why you identify my inclusion of that kkk flyer as vandalism. it is cited to a reliable source which discusses it at length as a real part of the history of greenwood. also, if you want to take it out, maybe be more careful, since your reversion left the article in terrible shape, with a dangling blockquote tag and a sentence fragment. i fixed these problems rather than putting the material back in, but can we talk about why you don't want to have it in there? — alf.laylah.wa.laylah (talk) 17:42, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

Oh, my apologies. The way it showed up on my screen was just the text of the Klan leaflet so it looked like you were inserting those thoughts into the article as your own. I didn't see the intro sentence. My bad. Please go ahead and restore your original edit. 18:03, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

ok, thanks, will do. — alf.laylah.wa.laylah (talk) 18:15, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

Early history

The absence of the proper treatment of the early development of the riverport or landing is centered in the neglect of the early political unit as a county and the riparian nature of the site. Navigation is a state matter. The riverport had its political representation and its disputes settled at Carrollton until 1871. No mention of Carroll County or the seat of government, Carrollton, in the article. The state law related to the commerce on the river is neglected. I add a 1836 law. Recent edits of mine have been targeted on the boatman who started the community and the road to Carrollton, but have been objected to and reverted. Discussion on these matters is located on my talk page here. I invite others to review my sources, edits and please, comment. Church of the Rain (talk) 16:42, 2 December 2015 (UTC)

The source from former Congressman Frank Smith's book on the Yazoo River is a more convincing illustration of the points I have attempted to make. The state laws of 1836 dealing with navigation were instrumental in the political and economic development of Greenwood.Church of the Rain (talk) 19:56, 2 December 2015 (UTC)

I'm not sure what your point is. Magnolia677 (talk) 01:00, 3 December 2015 (UTC)

Civil War

Magnolia677 has removed the entire Civil War section along with the map containing the official war report of the 1863 battle. The Fort Pemberton battle site, while not located within the municipality, is highlighted in the City of Greenwood's website. See http://www.greenwoodms.com/index.aspx?NID=241. Quoting the History section of the city's website-"During that war, Greenwood played an important, if little-known, role in the famous Siege of Vicksburg...". The website lists the Civil War third in their own History section. I think government documents are important historical sources and should be utilized especially the public domain maps in the Library of Congress. The narrative is a Union commander with understandable bias that is understood by the general reader as such. The Union military narrative, however biased, mentions Greenwood and the city is located on the attached map. The objection to this edit and the wholesale removal is not assuming 'good faith' on my part and not defined. The only objection raised was the source was not a picture and the addition was 'barely related'. Church of the Rain (talk) 17:09, 19 December 2015 (UTC)

The question is, do you have any reliable sources (the city's website would not be reliable) that relate the battle to the city, not the general vicinity of the city? The battle has its own wiki page. It did not occur in the city. So why should a major chunk of the article be devoted to it? A Wikilink to the battle's article should suffice. John from Idegon (talk) 20:18, 19 December 2015 (UTC)

I think one can be much too technical about the battle site being within the corporate boundary of Greenwood. Was the Battle of Gettysburg or Vicksburg fought within their respective towns? No Wikipedia page exists for Fort Pemberton (not to be confused with the Charleston, SC). The National Register for Historic Places indicates the location as Greenwood in the last table giving location. See National Register of Historic Places listings in Leflore County, Mississippi The Library of Congress image which was reverted but properly demonstrates the Greenwood location better than words. See image on the right.

Fort Pemberton near Greenwood or Map of operations of the Yazoo Pass expedition

Also the 2007 Facts on File Civil War almanac here is further support for the necessity of including the material in this article. Church of the Rain (talk) 04:08, 23 December 2015 (UTC) Church of the Rain (talk) 04:11, 23 December 2015 (UTC) Church of the Rain (talk) 04:16, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

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Railroad information

The current statement in regards to how many railroads serve the city saying it has two major railroads, and then amtrak. This is incorrect. The only railroad that serves Greenwood is the IC/CN railroad, and a shortline that once ran further beyond Greenwood, but has stopped due to a washout. It might be worth someone correcting the error. 172.56.44.98 (talk) 14:01, 9 June 2019 (UTC)

Yes it would. That someone should be you. See WP:SOFIXIT. John from Idegon (talk) 16:49, 9 June 2019 (UTC)

Notable person removal

Magnolia677, I am puzzled as to why you removed my new entry of Greenwood artist Lalla Walker Lewis. Would you please explain your swift conclusion that she is "not notable"? And might we come to a consensus, please?
Lewis has a current [1] exhibition [2] at the Museum of the Mississippi Delta and her Federal Art Project murals are in the Greenwood-Leflore Public Library. My citations for her on the Greenwood page contained what appeared to me to be clearly notable quotes.
For quick reference, the citations from The Greenwood Commonwealth included these two quotes:

• "Miss Lewis is known for her representations of rural Delta life in the Twenties and Thirties. She has been listed in Who's Who in Art, Who's Who in American Women, and Who's Who in the South. Her name has been mentioned in a Mississippi history textbook and her paintings and woodcuts have been presented as one-man shows in most major American cities." - from Before The Palmettos And Cypress Were Cut (1972) [3]
• "Her work has been seen at World's Fairs, in the Library of Congress and in the New York Museum of Fine Arts, just to name a few. The New Orleanian magazine said of her, 'The vigor of her drawing, the admirable spotting, and the simple, almost naive directness with which she has portrayed the everyday life of the countryside, make her work most notable.'" - from Her life is as rich as Delta scenery she paints (1981) [4]
  

And this is only the beginning. I believe she is deserving of her own article with support of the Wikipedia:WikiProject Women artists and and I do plan to take that route with a draft. Thank you.
remando (talk) 17:44, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

@Remando: Writing an article affirms notability, per WP:USCITIES#Notable people. An article about her would likely pass WP:BASIC and WP:ANYBIO. Magnolia677 (talk) 18:17, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

@Magnolia677: Thank you for your reply and links. I would like to follow protocol. I see the first link that you supplied that having an article is "not the sole rationale for inclusion, since some people who might meet notability standards may not have an article, but it is a quick reference. If challenged, additions without their own article should be removed and discussed on the talk page of the city, until a consensus is reached." Given this, would you please reconsider your edit? remando (talk) 18:27, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

@Remando: I did some biographical research about her and I think a Wikipedia article about her would survive an AfD, so I'm ok if you add her name back, but another editor doing cleanup might delete her entry again tomorrow. I see you are writing an article about her, which really is the best way to share information about her with readers. Magnolia677 (talk) 18:33, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

@Magnolia677: I see. That seems like good advice. I guess this can wait for her own article. I appreciate your feedback. remando (talk) 18:48, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

@Remando: If you need a hand please feel free to ping me. Cheers. Magnolia677 (talk) 19:12, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

@Magnolia677: Thanks, I certainly will! remando (talk) 19:40, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

Broken "Civil Rights" section

Hi all,
It looks like the Civil Rights section is broken. All that I'm seeing on my end is a half Google Books link, and a citation needed template. I would fix it myself, but I have no idea what text went there prior and don't want to screw anything up. Thanks :-) Gageills (talk) 01:00, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

Notable People

I’m on my phone so I’m not gonna look at them all, but there are a lot of notable people on this list of people that aren’t from Greenwood.

Morgan Freeman? Robert Johnson? Come on. Someone needs to clean this up.

Not surprised you Greenwood folk would stoop to these levels.

Sincerely, A Winona Folk 2601:CD:C001:8BD0:F8EF:4629:34D6:1528 (talk) 23:40, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

Greenwood's Lament

I'd like to comment on the sourcing for the 1843 account of regret from Mr. Greenwood LeFlore at the end of Greenwood -> Native Americans. Given a well-established notion of gender fluidity Two-spirit, it is a bit strange to see, and I quote, one of the most important sources in the article state that:

Male and female roles were tied to a cosmology that reached back to the Mississippian cultures out of which the Choctaws had emerged sometime in the 1500s.

This quote (p. 224) which itself references from Choctaw Genesis (UNL), is a 1998 source which I am unable to verify ($30 is beer money for me, sorry ;)

That being said, I think this conflict offers an opportunity for resolution. I do believe that the temporal differential between 1843 and 1998 is enough to motivate some sort of modern investigation into this 150 year discrepancy, and I remind the reader of the nominal difference between Greenwood LeFlore's and that of his mother, a Ms. Le Fleur.

It is important to me, atleast, to recognize the limitations of our studies in Native American culture even a few decades ago. The contribution that our Latino progenitors offered to society not just culturally, but ideologically is an important part of our reconciliation, especially when faced with the origin quote from Mr. Greenwood about their lament regarding their offical state pact made with the govenrment. I conclude to say that while I know there is a silver lining to this story, it evades me at the moment.

Best regards to any future students of the matter.