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Leading Leiri to highest league finish

"Mourinho impressed with brief but successful managerial periods at Benfica and União de Leiria, taking the latter to their highest ever league finish. " It's not accurate to describe him as leading Leiria to their finish when he left so early in the season (Jan 23). Could this be removed or changed to say that he left them at such a league position before leaving.

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Looks like WP:POV. SLBedit (talk) 19:28, 11 January 2016 (UTC)

I agree, unless a manager is with the team for the whole season it can be very subjective for a manager to claim the team's league finish as a result of their performance. Listing the league position when he left is most objective but may be too detailed for the lede. 2607:EA00:107:1801:492B:2455:FAD:D4D3 (talk) 17:08, 20 January 2016 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 17 April 2016

|manageryears11 = 2016– | managerclubs11 = [[Manchester United F.C.|Manchester United]] Siddadav (talk) 23:23, 17 April 2016 (UTC)

Source? Mattythewhite (talk) 23:30, 17 April 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 May 2016

On 21st May,FA Cup final between Manchester United and Crystal Palace,United defeat Palace 2 goals to 1,post match report confirms Jose Mourihno has signed a 3 year deal with Manchester United and will replace Louis Van Gaal.

Nexemics (talk) 19:49, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

Jose is going to join man utd — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.150.176.107 (talk) 20:12, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. clpo13_(talk) 20:48, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

many sources are reporting this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.46.116.9 (talk) 23:35, 22 May 2016 (UTC)

Please provide specific sources. clpo13_(talk) 23:51, 22 May 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 May 2016

Erwinisaac16 (talk) 03:08, 22 May 2016 (UTC)

Update any important sports stuff at the moments it happens

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. — JJMC89 (T·C) 03:33, 22 May 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 May 2016

Jose Mourinho is the current manager of Manchester United. He was appointed after a dismal Louis Van Gaal was sacked. 122.163.241.230 (talk) 06:01, 23 May 2016 (UTC)

 Not done despite lots of speculation by the press no official announcement has been made - we will not make changes until such an official announcement has been made - Arjayay (talk) 07:02, 23 May 2016 (UTC)

Why does the article not mention all this press speculation? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.40.61.82 (talk) 09:05, 23 May 2016 (UTC)

It is as you say speculation, and wikipedia is an encyclodia, and encyclopedias are based on facts. Qed237 (talk) 13:13, 23 May 2016 (UTC)

It is a fact that this speculation is occurring and being widely reported. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.40.61.82 (talk) 08:36, 24 May 2016 (UTC)

Mourinho has been linked with several clubs this year, incuding Man United, PSG and Valencia. It does look very likely that he will be appointed MUFC manager today, but we can add that when it happens, as there is no mad rush. Valenciano (talk) 09:06, 24 May 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 May 2016

Writerguy84 (talk) 16:54, 26 May 2016 (UTC) JOSE MOURINHO HAS BEEN APPOINTED THE MANCHESTER UNITED MANAGER. PLEASE AMEND THIS PAGE.

Not done: as you have not cited reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to, or changed in, any article.
At 18.02 BST ( 17.02 UTC) the BBC stated "Still waiting for an official announce from Manchester United on the appointment of Jose Mourinho as manager".
We will wait for that official announcement. - Arjayay (talk) 17:12, 26 May 2016 (UTC)

To explain that further, at 17.36 BST (16.36 UTC) the BBC stated "Jose Mourinho has not yet been appointed as Manchester United as the club can only do that through formal announcement on New York Stock Exchange, which they can only do when the contract is signed." - Arjayay (talk) 17:16, 26 May 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 May 2016

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Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Sir Joseph ^(talk) 17:34, 26 May 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 May 2016

2016- Manchester United 73.36.238.141 (talk) 22:22, 26 May 2016 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Datbubblegumdoe^{[talk – contribs]} 22:43, 26 May 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 May 2016

Jose Mourinho - New Manager of Manchester United FC

Reference : http://www.manutd.com/en/News-And-Features/Football-News/2016/May/club-statement-manchester-united-confirm-jose-mourinho-as-new-manager.aspx

Muzza manutd (talk) 08:53, 27 May 2016 (UTC)

 Done by another - Arjayay (talk) 09:04, 27 May 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 May 2016

In Media attention and controversy section

Amend to read

In February 2014, Mourinho referred to rival Arsenal manager Arsène Wenger, calling him a "specialist in failure."[167] Wenger responded to Mourinho's comments in an interview days later, calling them embarrassing to both Chelsea and Mourinho himself.[168]

Current wording implies he called him perhaps on the telephone - not the case as was a press conference 86.153.210.4 (talk) 17:18, 27 May 2016 (UTC)

Done, thanks! ‑‑ElHef (Meep?) 19:27, 27 May 2016 (UTC)

Liverpool offered managerial position to Rafa Benitez

The following is said in your article: "Liverpool offered their managerial position to Rafael Benítez and Mourinho instead accepted a large offer from Roman Abramovich and pledged his immediate future to Chelsea". This is a misleading statement because it implies that Liverpool rejected Mourinho when this is not the case. Mourinho chose Chelsea over Liverpool. Mourinho was appointed Chelsea manager on the 2nd of June 2004. Here is the link to prove it: http://www.chelseafc.com/news/special/jose-mourinho--manager-of-chelsea.html. Rafa Benitez was appointed by Liverpool on 16 June 2004 according to your own article in Wikipedia.Pakipak786 (talk) 06:33, 28 May 2016 (UTC)

@Pakipak786 If you think it needs changing then change it. There is no "your article", the whole point of Wikipedia is that anyone can write and edit articles. --Reaganomics88 (talk) 11:14, 2 June 2016 (UTC)

Lead section

From Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Lead section: As a general rule of thumb, a lead section should contain no more than four well-composed paragraphs and be carefully sourced as appropriate.

Currently it has five paragraphs, and the fourth one contains too much information is too big. SLBedit (talk) 00:56, 15 June 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 June 2016

In the 2003-04 Porto sub-section under the Managerial career section

Amend to read: Chelsea appointed Mourinho as their manager on the 2nd of June 2004, who accepted Chelsea over Liverpool. Liverpool instead had to appoint Rafael Benitez as their manager on the 16th of June 2004.

: http://www.chelseafc.com/news/special/jose-mourinho--manager-of-chelsea.html

Current wording implies that Liverpool rejected Mourinho while it was the other way round.

Pakipak786 (talk) 06:03, 20 June 2016 (UTC)

 Not done Please provide a secondary source. SLBedit (talk) 15:53, 20 June 2016 (UTC)

Jose Mourinho is NOT the English Premier League Manager of the Month for August 2016.

Jose Mourinho is NOT the English Premier League Manager of the Month for August 2016. Jose Mourinho actually won the polls on twitter but that counts as only 10% of weighting votes. Mike Phelan is the premier league manager of the month for August 2016. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.69.134.12 (talk) 02:59, 14 September 2016 (UTC)

References

Common references

Jose Mourinho is commonly referred to in mainstream media as >Mouyes, referring to his similarities to David Moyes, and >The Special Once, referring to his personal reference to himself as "the special one", though he isn't this any more. This needs to be referred to in the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.145.183.25 (talk) 16:32, 5 October 2016 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 8 January 2017

In the Coaching career section, please change "Robson was sacked by the team" to "Robson was sacked by the club". Teams don't have the power of hiring and firing. 95.44.50.222 (talk) 10:37, 8 January 2017 (UTC)

Done --JustBerry (talk) 15:44, 8 January 2017 (UTC)

Confusing

The Benfica section begins, "in September 2000...Mourinho moved up from his role as assistant manager at Benfica to replace manager Jupp Heynckes". But the previous section ended with Mourinho still at Barcelona. The article needs to bridge that gap. Also, the quote beginning "When I spoke with Van Gaal about going back to Portugal" seems to refer, not to when he picked Carlos Mozer as assistant coach, but to the time years before, when Van Gaal came to Barcelona and Mourinho stayed there with him. Again, in the 2003–04 season section, there is a paragraph about Alex Ferguson and Manchester United followed by a quote about Liverpool. It's all very confusing. 95.44.50.222 (talk) 11:18, 8 January 2017 (UTC)

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Transfers

"In the same year, he also became the first coach to have spent more than £1 billion on transfers." 1) Coaches do not spend money, that's the reason why it is called "manager". 2) Managers as coaches (except for rare exceptions) only exist in Britain, so the sentence as a general statement does not make sense as other coaches in the world are not able to spend money, they have to work with what the general manager or sporting director (or however you call it) gives them. It should either be clarified that this is about British managers, or if it should also be compared to the rest of the world it should be changed to "sporting official" as other clubs in other countries do not necessarily have a post called "manager" and definitely not "coach". --SamWinchester000 (talk) 18:17, 26 August 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 November 2018

In the 2009-10 section it says, " Inter went on score more than 30 goals before the end of November" there needs to be a "to" after "on". Gygesfc (talk) 20:29, 6 November 2018 (UTC)

 Done Thank you Nzd (talk) 20:34, 6 November 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 December 2018

In the Honours section, there's an entry which says 'Longest Football Unbeaten Home Run by a Manager (9 years)'. The associated reference points to an article on chelseafc.com, but the article has moved. Or perhaps the address given was incorrect. Anyway the link address in the article is http://www.chelseafc.com/news/latest-news/2015/08/mourinho-makes-guinness-book-of-records.html, but it should be https://www.chelseafc.com/en/news/2015/09/04/mourinho-makes-guinness-book-of-records. Stewart Robertson (talk) 10:44, 18 December 2018 (UTC)

Sacked or departed Man Utd?

There is an edit war over whether Mourinho left Man Utd or was sacked. According to an authoritative neutral source https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/46603018 Mourinho was sacked. Do other Editors agree? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.254.78.162 (talk) 14:53, 18 December 2018 (UTC)

What's the difference? "Left the club" is not a value judgement and goes along with what the club said. "Sacked" is just a colloquialism for "he doesn't have that job any more" anyway. – PeeJay 15:08, 18 December 2018 (UTC)

There is a big difference, with the same number of words we can convey to the reader whether Mourinho was made to leave (sacked), left by mutual consent, or chose of leave (resigned). What the club says is not a neutral source, but the most authoritative source we have, the BBC, say that Mourinho was sacked so we should convey that information to the readers.

Regarding BBC, when mourinho left Chelsea, BBC published an article saying he was sacked, but Chelsea FC posted a notice on their site clearly stating the words "left by mutual consent", so whom should we believe?? Daiyusha (talk) 13:24, 12 February 2019 (UTC)

season 2017 / 18

this season - his 2nd at united - seems to be missing.94.175.101.237 (talk) 17:59, 19 December 2018 (UTC)

lead section (much) too long

Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Lead_section recommends maximum 4 paragraphs, and mourinhos lead section is more. it contains details making it difficult to quickly read about this person. @PeeJay2K3:, any reasons why it should stay at the current lenght? --ThurnerRupert (talk) 17:28, 23 December 2018 (UTC)

If the sheer number of paragraphs is the issue, I think I've fixed it. – PeeJay 17:33, 23 December 2018 (UTC)

I've done a copyedit of the lead section. My biggest issue with your changes was that you removed practically all references to his admittedly uneventful playing career. – PeeJay 17:49, 23 December 2018 (UTC)

cool thanks! @Kind Tennis Fan:, @Davefelmer: please make it shorter, not longer. take a look at other coaches like Franz Beckenbauer, Louis van Gaal, Carlo Ancelotti, Pep Guardiola (also on the too long side imo), Jürgen Klopp and others. --ThurnerRupert (talk) 11:13, 24 December 2018 (UTC)

Guardiola's has significantly more than four paragraphs. Beckenbauer has more as well. Mourinho currently has three and I think its fine. Removing his achivements to cut down space would be the wrong approach. It fits within the guidelines at present and really shouldnt be meddled with anymore. Davefelmer (talk) 19:47, 24 December 2018 (UTC)

Why would you even bother trying to justify the length of the lead section in this article by citing other longer ones? Obviously those articles need bringing into line with the MOS too, rather than trying to maintain the unwieldy length of this one. – PeeJay 21:47, 24 December 2018 (UTC)

I'm not using those to justify this one, the lad himself highlighted how the recommended length for the lead is four paragraphs, and Mourinho's page has 3. Davefelmer (talk) 02:06, 25 December 2018 (UTC)

Yes, but it had five until I sorted it out. If you have problems with specific changes I'm making, don't edit war, just raise them here and we can talk about them. – PeeJay 11:44, 25 December 2018 (UTC)

Sorry, been busy over the holiday season but checking back in now. There still appears to be a few things wrong with the article where important info is excluded or is just wrong. His second Portuguese league title in his second season at Porto absolutely must be included as its the biggest national honour he could win at the time. Again, reads like it's written for English fans who would recognise the CL but not care about the local domestic championship. Secondly, he didnt not win a trophy in his final year at Madrid as you wrote, he won the Spanish Super Cup. Furthermore, it seems like a lot of his achievements are set up to build to a failure where it is constantly stated how he 'won x and y, but was then sacked' when it should be more about the achievements like it is for other managers, achievements which often were historic to the club in question. The Copa del Rey is again excluded which makes no sense as its a huge honour and he beat Pep's Barca in the final, and likely his Community Shield with United should be re-added as it was very important to him and he frequently referenced it, making it part of his story. I dont quite get why your new version is up as it stands anyways, as the old version existed for ages and there doesnt seem to be any consensus on the changes. Surely the status quo should have remained before a new article was established as suitable by multiple parties. Davefelmer (talk) 19:57, 31 December 2018 (UTC)

Not sure I agree with you. The lead is only supposed to give a brief overview of the subject, not a deep dive. You make it sound like I'm trying to whitewash those honours out of his history entirely, but I'm just trying to condense it down to the most important info. Sure, this isn't perfect yet, but reverting to the previous version would be even worse. Feel free to work in the Copa del Rey, but super cups don't really merit mentioning in the lead. – PeeJay 01:22, 1 January 2019 (UTC)

Certain honours just shouldnt be whitewashed though. His second Portuguese league title seems to have been removed while his League Cups in England are featured, despite the Portuguese title being a much more prestigious honour. I dont want to rework it to the previous version but some things listed are just incorrect, such as him winning nothing in his final year at Madrid which is factually untrue. Its in cases like these that super cups should of course have merit and be included, as that would correct the statement. His Community Shield with United is also probably important as its a big part of his story at the club for him as he constantly referenced it in press conferences, interviews, etc. They only take like 5 extra words to add.

A bigger issue is more so the fact that parts of the lead seem to be written in an extremely negative style, with most of his later career achievements followed by a 'but' and then undermined, leading to the actual achievements taking on secondary importance within the sentence. Its so needless, and not really consistent with other articles to write that 'he won x but then got sacked' and 'he won this but then won nothing and got sacked' instead of looking at the actual body of work relative to the club. I've amended some of those. It'd be like if for instance Arsene Wenger's article had 'he won the league unbeaten in 2004 but that was to be the last title of his career and he'd end his Arsenal stint with only 3 league titles in 20 years' or instead of referencing his successive top 4 finishes, it'd have said 'he won the FA Cup in 2005, but then failed to win another trophy for 9 years, a period characterised by the selling of key players and fan protests as the club gradually fell out of title contention'. Davefelmer (talk) 23:36, 21 January 2019 (UTC)

This isn't about whitewashing honours, it's about giving due weight to the ones that most people will care about when looking for an at-a-glance summary of his career. Those honours are mentioned further down the article (or at least they should be!) so there's no need to include an exhaustive list here. As for the negative tone, unfortunately Mourinho has attracted negativity throughout his career and his successes have often been followed by comparative failures. This is reflected in the article. – PeeJay 08:32, 22 January 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 November 2019

>> Fix Mourinho's managerial career. Add Tottenham. Cervantesd (talk) 23:08, 19 November 2019 (UTC)

 Not done. It's not clear what changes you want to make; please make a precise request. –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 23:53, 19 November 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 November 2019

Change the main image of Jose Mourinho with Manchester United to that of him with his new team Tottenham Hotspur. Dandtp (talk) 17:44, 25 November 2019 (UTC)

@Dandtp: Please upload an image to Wikipedia commons that we can use, or link to one that is already one there. Images of living people must be available under a free license, we can't use just any picture from the internet. RudolfRed (talk) 18:08, 25 November 2019 (UTC)

Appointed as Head Coach Semi-protected edit request on 12 November 2020

Please consider to change "manager" to "Head Coach"

José Mário dos Santos Mourinho Félix, GOIH (Portuguese pronunciation: [ʒuˈzɛ moˈɾiɲu]; born 26 January 1963), is a Portuguese professional football manager and former player who is the manager of Premier League club Tottenham Hotspur.

https://www.tottenhamhotspur.com/news/2019/november/jose-mourinho-appointed-new-head-coach/ Siambest (talk) 07:46, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

 Done I said that he is both the manager and head coach. Eyebeller (talk) 15:47, 22 November 2020 (UTC)

Mourinho not a great manager

The idea that he is one of the greatest managers is seven years out of date (the references are from 2014). Since then he has been fired three time, leaving all three clubs in rancour and disarray. Uditisch (talk) 05:34, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

 Question: hmm... what do reliable sources say about him more recently? ‑‑Volteer1 (talk) 08:23, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Run n Fly (talk) 19:02, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

@Uditisch: Just because he has not had recent success, doesn't mean his status as a legend in Porto, Chelsea and Inter can be erased, nor does it hide his exemplary career and his 20+ trophies across multiple countries. Its not even a contest, he's still one of the all time greatest managers. https://www.givemesport.com/1682590-guardiola-ferguson-mourinho-the-greatest-30-managers-of-all-time-have-been-ranked This is the latest source I could find, Jose is still in the top 10. Daiyusha (talk) 06:15, 29 August 2021 (UTC)

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Name pronunciation

I noticed that someone (presumably a Brazilian wiki user) has misidentified the pronunciation of José Mourinho's name given in the article as "Brazilian Portuguese" when in fact there is nothing ostensibly Brazilian about it; it is exactly how a fellow Portuguese would pronounce his name. In addition, I assume that Brazilian Portuguese is not to be considered (paramount) when dealing with an European Portuguese speaker as is the case with Mourinho. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Henriquebraganzza (talk • contribs) 03:36, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

June 2022

Hello everyone, why isn't it mentioned that he was an assistant coach at Barcelona in a template? --Mishary94 (talk) 12:41, 26 June 2022 (UTC)

"After two years at Porto, the duo moved again, joining Barcelona in 1996." I don't know what "in a mold" means. Seasider53 (talk) 12:49, 26 June 2022 (UTC)

I'm sorry, I mean in his template infobox --Mishary94 (talk) 19:35, 26 June 2022 (UTC)

Assistant roles aren't included in manager infoboxes. Seasider53 (talk) 19:39, 26 June 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 November 2022

change image of José Mourinho to a more recent one 2405:201:400C:1008:156D:14D3:CBEB:FE2C (talk) 12:16, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Which one? Note that the image would need to be under a suitable license (or taken by you and you're willing to put it to one), which means that most images in the Internet don't qualify unless they explicitly state the license. 💜  melecie  talk - 12:35, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

2003 UEFA Super Cup runner-up.

His Porto honours list makes no mention of him finishing runner-up in the 2003 UEFA Super Cup final, whilst his Chelsea and Manchester United honours do. Why is this ? 82.0.31.212 (talk) 17:09, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Missing Mourinho’s 110th game for Roma…

Which was a win…2-1 vs spezia. So win percentage is 50% with Roma 78.133.52.91 (talk) 06:47, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

Stand up to Cancer

I've only edited one page previously, so can't act on this, but in 2016 JM was involved in a 'joke off' with John Bishop in aid of a UK charity. It's the first thing I think of to this date when I think of JM, and it would be nice to feature it somewhere in the article.

Here's a video. We are all RAD here (talk) 21:22, 27 November 2023 (UTC)