Talk:Klaus Kinski

Military service

Kinski served in the Polish army during the start of World War II, however he was captured and later served in the German Army.

This statement (served in the Polish army) makes no sense. Klaus as a 4 year old, moved with his family to Berlin.

With proof of Polish military service we can re-instated this quote hoewever.

I got this Infromation from his website www.klauskinski.com which refrenced it to http://www.hatii.arts.gla.ac.uk/MultimediaStudentProjects/00-01/0009135b/fruits/html/Kinski/kinski-bio.htm 24.2.152.139 04:50, 31 Jan 2004 (UTC)

YeahBUT, Kinski was 12 years old when the Germans invaded Poland. That makes Polish military service verrry unlikely. Ellsworth 23:33, 5 Sep 2004 (UTC)

No No No! This infomartion is totally wrong. Kinski never was Polish. He was German. He was born in Soppot, which was German. NOW its Poland. (Germans have to give up after WW2). His parents are German. Kinski didn't even know one polish word.

Maybe this missunderstanding that he was polish/polish military service has to do with the fact that he has a slavic surname, as 25% of the germans have. At the time he was born nearly all of the inhabitants of the Free City of Danzig were germans.

Polish?

His surname is absolutely non-German, POLISH! You must see that Ń, it's an original Polish diacritic sign. Kowalmistrz 17:11, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Klaus Kinski was German. What else??

Klaus Kinski is German. Nothing Polish on him. A study based on Surnames doesn't make sense because both sides suppressed the other one, e.g. Miroslav Klose, his surname was "Kloze" in Poland but his father recovered it after the family had emigrated to Germany.

Zillions of Swedes, Dutchmen or Frenchmen have German surnames, this doesn't make them German, as a Polonized surname is not a good proof at all.Zylan (talk) 22:27, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

But unlike Kinski, Klose is Polish with German background. He himself speaks Polish, hold Polish citizenship and goes to Poland every year. Norum (talk) 23:18, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

Found a source in Encyclopedia Britannica. Moreover, the place he was born in is now a part of Poland, so the fact that he had polish roots kind of makes sense. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.224.138.28 (talk) 12:38, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

• The Encyclopædia Britannica claims he was born in "Zoppot, Germany" and his family moved from "Poland to Berlin in the 1930s". In fact he was born in the Free City of Danzig and he or his family never lived in Poland. Not a proof of quality for the EB.
• About 10 million Germans were expelled from "what is now part of Poland". No, it doesn't make sense to believe all these people had Polish roots. 84.139.220.242 (talk) 12:22, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

Team player

The use of the term 'team player' is jarring and sounds wrong. He fired gunshots and took off one of the joints from an extra's finger. Feuds with Herzog. He wasn't a team player? Well duh... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.122.119.154 (talk • contribs) 04:56, 4 December 2006 (UTC).

More comments

I agree this Team player comment needs to be removed; also the matter of Klause's nationality needs to be fixed. I found this article sub standard and an overall disappointment.

Someone re-write this article! ___JINX___

marlon brando was kindergarten compared to kinski

this is a big claim that is unsourced and will be removed

Werner Herzog said "marlon brando was kindergarten compared to kinski"

This quote is widely sourced--one of the more authoritative comes from a fairly extensive article on Salon.com:

http://dir.salon.com/story/ent/feature/2004/04/22/kinski/index2.html 69.181.23.220 09:24, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Herzog says it himself on the commentary of Fitzcarraldo. The context is comparing the "pestilence" of Brando on the set to Kinsky, the "ultimate pestilence". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.149.59.134 (talk) 01:38, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Filmography split proposal

Given that the filmography is quite extensive, I suggest splitting it off into its own article so that it might develop akin to Arnold Schwarzenegger filmography.  Skomorokh, barbarian  15:14, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

Sounds good to me - go for it. Lugnuts (talk) 11:08, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

Great, done.  Skomorokh, barbarian  11:17, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

Can the discography be added into the filmography page? It looks a little strange on this page when the filmography is elsewhere. weaseLOID 20:07, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

Public Image

I felt that this section was written in misleading words, especially since it was introduced as: "Kinski established his image as a wild-eyed, sex-crazed maniac in the autobiography, Kinski: All I Need Is Love, which was largely fabricated to generate sales, according to Herzog's documentary film My Best Fiend." - Herzog's "documentary" consisting almost entirely of recollections by people who worked with Kinski, as well as the bulk of the material being from Herzog's own head. Thus I felt it would be more fair to write: "Kinski established his image as a wild-eyed, sex-crazed maniac in the autobiography, Kinski: All I Need Is Love. Werner Herzog, in his film "My Best Fiend", would later say that much of it was fabricated to generate sales."

Tancrisism (talk) 07:00, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Article too short

~ 800 words on Klaus Kinski vs 4600 on Marlon Brando? Too short. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.159.184.40 (talk) 06:03, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Agree. There is whole section missing: Personal life - marriages, children... There are references to the children but without details. This should be completed to be consistent —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.181.104.124 (talk) 07:15, 16 April 2011 (UTC)

I second that motion. Please can anyone use a text generator to improve this article's quality with about 4000 random words? -- 92.229.21.149 (talk) 16:22, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Where are his prizes?

In his autobiography, "All I Need Is Love", Kinski describes receiving several prizes. Despite him describing such things as "vulgarly presumptuous", there should be a section in the article listing them. He describes receiving the Commandeur de l'Ordre des Arts et des Lettres from the Government of France (page 263), an award from the Government of Germany (page 253), and one at the Cannes Film Festival (page 254). Does anyone have years for these? HairyWombat 05:03, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

Use of town names

Be consisted with using names of towns and villages. Use "Zoppot" or "Sopot", but consistently. The town is now govern by the Republic of Poland so "Sopot" seems more natural (easier to locate on modern maps). Only don't say "but it was a German town", because German language wasn't strongly present in that part of Europe until late Middle Ages, so each town or village which is sufficiently old may have a name originating in Slavic or Baltic languages anyway. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.87.6.136 (talk) 18:58, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

Marin cty

He died in Marin, but was he living in marin? article doesnt state he does, but he is categorized as such.Mercurywoodrose (talk) 06:49, 3 February 2013 (UTC)

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Sexual Abuse Allegations

The quotes removed should be moved to quotes about Klaus Kinski. The changes to Natassja's allegations now reflect the information in the article. http://www.bild.de/unterhaltung/leute/klaus-kinski/jetzt-spricht-nastassja-kinski-ueber-ihren-vater-28071840.bild.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kgo1405 (talk • contribs) 06:30, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

Debora Caprioglio

Debora's page states that she was married to Klaus from 1987-89, and yet, it's not mentioned even once on his page. If they were married, even briefly, shouldn't this be on his page? 209.90.140.72 (talk) 23:15, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

The Caprioglio article gives no source. AndyTheGrump (talk) 00:29, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

This Wikipedia article (on Aug 27, 2016) lists three wives in the text and four wives in the right-side box. Oh wait! This is Wikipedia, meeting or excelling its usual impeccable standards.2604:2000:C682:B600:50BD:C8AA:F26:9B0C (talk) 19:38, 27 August 2016 (UTC)Christopher L. Simpson

Klaus Kinski's Funeral

Since I have noticed that the mention to Klaus Kinski's funeral made here had no citation, I investigated that and added a citation needed to complete the mention.

However, I think it would be more elegant to remove such a sad mention from Klaus Kinski's posthumous biography. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.103.32.64 (talk) 00:34, 30 August 2016 (UTC)

Autobiographies

Your autobiography references are not accurate. I have read three of Kinski's books. Ich bin so wild nach deinem Erdbeermund was 1975. The title is a purported Francois Villon poem - Kinski used to do Villon recitals - but in fact the poem was a fake, invented by the German translator of Villon. Then Kinski rewrote it in a censored form as Ich brauche Liebe (1991) and added a second volume called Paganini in 1992. Fuficius Fango (talk) 12:06, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

Kinski allegedly bragged about raping Nastassja

In November 2017, William Malone, who directed Kinski in 1985's Creature, appeared on Mick Garris's podcast and relayed a story of Kinski bragging to him about having raped Nastassja when she was 12 years old. Listen here at 37:41. I've added this info twice and it's been removed twice for two different reasons; first because it was supposedly "promoting a podcast", and then again because Kinski's alleged claim contradicts Nastassja's claim that her father never successfully molested her. I think a note can and should be added to that effect. But the fact that two people have different accounts of an event is hardly anything unusual, and is not a BLP violation. Is Wikipedia's coverage of Dylan Farrow's claim that Woody Allen molested her a BLP violation for Woody Allen because he denies the event took place? Obviously not. - Forty.4 (talk) 20:13, 24 September 2022 (UTC)

I reverted it because, as the article makes clear, Nastassja Kinski has stated that her father never raped her. It seems to me to be insensitive at absolute minimum to be asserting otherwise, based on a third-hand account, given more or less in passing, in a context where it is far from clear whether Malone took the claim literally. WP:BLP states that we should write "conservatively and with regard for the subject's privacy". And though Nastassja isn't the subject of the biography, she is definitely the 'subject' of that allegation. And furthermore, given Klaus Kinski's history of mental illness, one should clearly treat any 'bragging' and/or confessions with a degree of scepticism. As it stands, the article already goes into detail about the documented abuse of Pola KInski, and into his inappropriate behaviour with Nastassja. This seems entirely sufficient, without adding essentially unverifiable claims regarding events that the alleged victim has expressly stated didn't happen. That, is seems to me, is close to accusing Nastassja of falsehood. Which would definitely be a WP:BLP violation. AndyTheGrump (talk) 20:41, 24 September 2022 (UTC)

Covering contradictory things that people have said about an allegation is not Wikipedia "asserting otherwise" or taking sides in any way. Malone says Kinski bragged to him about having raped Nastassja. That is a verifiable fact, properly sourced, which is inarguably relevant to the section of Kinski's biography relating to allegations of sexual assault. Your own interpretation of the subtext of Malone's narration and your skepticism about Kinski's reliability are irrelevant and subjective, pushing up against both WP:NOR and WP:NPOV.

Do you think Wikipedia's coverage of Dylan Farrow's alleged molestation, an event that Woody Allen "has expressly stated didn't happen", is tantamount to accusing Allen of lying? Or do you think Wikpedia's coverage of Allen's denial is tantamount to accusing Farrow of lying? I assume not... - Forty.4 (talk) 01:22, 25 September 2022 (UTC)

I'm not going to get dragged into arguments about other articles. As for 'contradictory things', one is a direct statement, from the alleged victim, that no rape happened. The other is a passing recollection, by Malone, 30+ years later, in a podcast discussing other things. As for WP:NOR: "This policy does not apply to talk pages and other pages which evaluate article content and sources, such as deletion discussions or policy noticeboards". Anyway, this discussion seems to be going around in circles, and we should probably try to broaden the discussion. As I've said, I think there is a BLP concern involved, so we could start a thread at WP:BLPN. Or do you have any alternative suggestions? AndyTheGrump (talk) 01:53, 25 September 2022 (UTC)

I'm not asking you discuss other articles; I'm using a parallel situation to illustrate to you that Wikipedia covering contradictory claims by people on two sides of an alleged event is not tantamount to Wikipedia accusing one or the other party of lying, as you suggested. I'm also not applying WP:NOR or WP:NPOV to this talk page; I am applying it to your rationale for removing this content from the article (ie: your subjective speculation about the subtext of Malone's narrative or Kinski's mental health - we don't base decisions about what to cover on our vague intuitions about such things). Anyway, that said, you're the one who thinks there's a BLP issue here, and I don't believe you've adequately explained why, so go ahead and start a thread. - Forty.4 (talk) 21:56, 8 October 2022 (UTC)

My rationale for removing the material was posted to this discussion, on this talk page, where WP:NOR or WP:NPOV don't apply. Because the policy explicitly says it doesn't. If you want to discuss this on WP:BLPN, fine - but don't expect me to start a thread for you. It is down to you to present your own arguments, and I'm not going to do it for you. AndyTheGrump (talk) 22:47, 8 October 2022 (UTC)

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