Talk:United States Pirate Party

"Tejas"

Hello, editors of this page. I noticed that Texas was spelled Tejas. I realize this is not a typo due to the invisible note, however this has not been cited. Best regards, UnexpectedSmoreInquisition aka USI (talk) 23:27, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

It may or may not be the name of the Party, but as I mentioned here the column it is included in is not the name of Parties but of States and similarly situated terrorities; the name of the State is Texas. This Tejas spelling was recently introduced and has been reverted by three separate people since then. @MonSocMan: adding a hidden comment here does not negate the issues it presents. Per WP:BRD and WP:ONUS, you should get a consensus for that change since it has been reverted by three separate people now, does not fit the convention of the currently existing table, and is unsourced. - Aoidh (talk) 04:13, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

You're incorrect. The list reflects the state parties map on their website, which is why Chicagoland is also listed. Tejas is the correct spelling and way it should be listed. MonSocMan (talk) 08:48, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

https://uspirates.org/about/#:~:text=Pennsylvania%20Pirate%20Party-,Tejas,-Website%3ATejasPirates

Here's directly from the US Pirate Party website, including links to various social medias referring to the state party as "Tejas Pirates". I'm unsure why this is an issue. MonSocMan (talk) 08:44, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

The table's heading is unambiguous in that the entries listed are for the state itself, not what the party calls itself. The state's name is Texas, not Tejas and what this particular party decides to call Texas does not dictate what Wikipedia calls the State of Texas. It's an issue because it's inaccurate as presented; there is no State of Tejas and your introduction of that content has been reverted by several editors at this point precisely because it's introducing an inaccuracy. If you want to include prose that explains (with reliable sources) why they call it Tejas with proper contextualization that would be one thing, but it is quite another to misspell Texas in a list of states simply because the political party calls itself Tejas Pirates. I'm not sure how to address the Chicagoland entry and if that would be better as a subset of Illinois, but that's a separate issue. - Aoidh (talk) 09:19, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

It’s not a a misspelling but is the Spanish language spelling of Texas. The Texas state chapter was founded out of the Rio Grande Valley area, and the members chose to name themselves "Tejas". This is a chart not showing states, but state parties. The Chicagoland issue directly correlates because this is based on the map found on the US Pirates website, which you can find in the previously posted link. It would be inaccurate to call the state "Texas" in the list when the list is, again, showing state parties and not simply listing states. The name should remain "Tejas" since it is the most correct when citing their website and map of state parties. MonSocMan (talk) 16:24, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

This is a chart not showing states, but state parties the table itself lists parties by state (or more accurately by location). The Pirate Party of Oklahoma for example is not simply called "Oklahoma", but the state it is located in is called Oklahoma, which is why in the "State" column it simply lists "Oklahoma". The party for Texas may be called Tejas Pirates, but that does not make their location Tejas. It is inaccurate to misspell the State of Texas on the table because that column is not the names of parties but where they are located, and while I am aware of the Spanish-language usage of the word Tejas (which even the Spanish Wikipedia article about Texas lists as merely an alternative sometimes used) in the English language the English-language name for locations are used. As I said, prose could perhaps explain (with reliable sources) that they are called Tejas Pirates and why, but it is inaccurate to characterize them as being located in Tejas rather than Texas. - Aoidh (talk) 22:58, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

@Aoidh@MonSocMan Also, isn't Texas referred to both colloquially and legally as Texas? Shouldn't WP:COMMONNAME apply? I get that has little to do with the disagreement, which is what "state" refers to, in which case I agree with @Aoidh. Cheers! UnexpectedSmoreInquisition aka USI (talk) 12:15, 23 February 2024 (UTC)