User talk:Howard the Duck/Archive6

About Spanish language

• Do not treat me, because i'm not scared of your treats!! I've been through tough times in my youth days, and I was a ganster who did alot of bad things.. I have long forgotten my past. So do not treat me, because i did not start this arguement. I was only doing my job, but there is always people who ruined every thing.. The guy you reported and got banned for using wikipedia was Amante de La Paz, Is that right?. He was propably against you in some ways because you seem a bit arrogant and anti-colonialism when it comes towards Spanish-Filipino history and Hispanic cultural issues etc. But, when it comes to American cultural and lifestyle issues, people like you appriciate it!!. Wy does modern Filipinos love Americans to much, is it because they help you guys win over Independence against Spain and the Japanese in World War II. To tell you honestly, Some Americans are good people, but the majority are racist white bastards. Most people in the world this days hate Americans, for what they have done to the Middle East and the Iraq issues. We Mexicans, still hate the Gringos because they stole half of our land.

And also if Spanish is not spoken the Philippines, where does this statistic come from "(According to Philippine Royal Academy of the Spanish language, There are roughly 3180,000 million speakers)"?. Don't tell me that all of this are fake.. Ramirez

• • The guy wasn't de la Paz, he was an ABS-CBN fan, de la Paz' banishment ended a long time ago, I think he was blocked for one month, since he can't cooperate.
  • 3180,000 million translates into 3,180,000,000,000, more than the Philippine population of 80 million+ (you probably ment 3,180,000), neverthless, the official figure is in the thousands. The figure you gave is unofficial and merely an estimate (it includes, 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th language-speakers).
  • To add the Philippines in the infobox implies that Spanish is at least widely spoken and understood when it is not.
  • I'm not anti-colonialist, I passed by 6 units of Spanish at the University of Santo Tomas.
  • I'm not American, either.
  • And you'd be surprised how many Filipinos hate Americans. --Howard the Duck 12:12, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Reply: I did not provide the information. I think user:lagalag or user:Jondel might be the one who originally provided this statistic. I found the information in the Spanish in the Philippines article, when I was browsing along the "Spanish in the Phlippines wiki-article". So when i found it, i decided to add the information in the Asia article in the Spanish language. And also I think 0.01% is good enough to be added in the info-box because, Spanish is still spoken mainly by Spanish, latino expatriates and some Filipino mestizos despite the small pertanges. It wouldn't hurt to add it, because the percentages are there..It still counts.. User:Ramirez72

With all due respect, Mr. Ramirez, I fail to see how .01% is "good enough." There are literally dozens of other Philippine languages that have thousands of speakers more than Spanish has ever had. Surely these languages should be listed before Spanish is. --Chris S. 02:24, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Reply: The original Spanish language arguement issue is about where the language was spoken. It was not about how many speaks it. I think it would not hurt to add it the info-box, where not breaking the law. The percentages are there!! to support the issue. :) User:Ramirez72

The infobox is for current figures, not historical facts. Neverthless, the natives didn't adopt Spanish as a language. --Howard the Duck 07:36, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Reply: You don't have to adopt Spanish or what ever, the whole arguement is based upon where the Language is Spoken, not about how many speaks!!User:Ramirez72.

Then you might as well add every country in the world since practically every country has a Spanish speaker. --Howard the Duck 07:55, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

• The Phlippines is part of the Latin Union. If they weren't part of it of the organisation, I would'nt waste my time putting it and debating it. User:Ramirez72
  • And the Philippines is part of the UN and they don't speak French, Russian, etc. And the Philippines a part of the Latin Union doesn't change the fact that a mere 0.01% of the population speaks it. Come on now, the infobox is a summary, you aren't supposed to add everything, and 0.01% of a population should definetly go to the main body. Again, adding the Philippines in the infobox implies Filipinos speak Spanish, when they don't. --Howard the Duck 08:12, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

REply: UN is not about Language issues, it is simly an orginsation which deals about peace talks and economy trade..etc. The Latin Union is different to the UN. The Latin Union is an orginaztion based upon the Romance languages or having an associated with it. . I fixed it before, I clearly stated and defined who speaks the language ("Mainly Spanish, Latino and Pure Filipino-Spanish mestizos), but somebody erazed it. User:Ramirez72

Go to Template talk:Infobox Language/Usage and tell me if you can spot a membership in an organization is worth including the infobox. --Howard the Duck 08:33, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Hi i don't want to argue or anything this is just reasoning. Spanish in the Philippines has a significant and cultural role in its history and future, I'm sure you are aware of that. You can see it in the names of the cities and if you are Filipino then probably even your surname. The Roman Catholic religion came from the Spanish. Although it is no longer an official language of the country it is still spoken by many people maybe not as a first but as a 2nd, 3rd or even 4th language. The infobox in the Spanish language is stating where it is spoken, nothing to do with numbers or where it is official. I mean I could Philippines in any other languages section but no. Philippines deserves to be in the Spanish language section. I mean in respect do you deny that The Philippines could not be considered a Latin American nation in spite of its location but in terms of its history and culture? Spanish in The Philippines may not be as significant as it once was in the past but what we are discussing is about today and today there is a growing amount of interest as well as Spanish speakers in The Philippines. Even the word Filipino is Spanish already which is the nationality. I mean i don't call myself Philippine which is the English equivalent. We are "Filipinos". Even the word Pilipinas comes from Filipinas im sure you know that already. I know you know alot about the Philippines don't get me wrong so in respect you should know that the language is even stated in the constitution alongside Arabic which i find to be strange but understandable. I mean a government does not just state any language in the constitution of a nation the most powerful document in a country. Yes Spanish may have lost its official status but it is still recognised at federal level. If the Philippines has nothing to do with the Spanish nothing at all with history, culture, language etc, then by all means i would agree that The Philippines should not be in that infobox, but the reality Spanish is an important language in The Philippines. The are still thousands of documents written in Spanish. Only Spanish speaking countries would have official documents written in the Spanish language.

Anyways i'll cut it there. I'm sorry if it's a bit long it's just that when it comes to The Philippines and Spanish i have a lot to say. I apologise for that. I hope we can come to an understanding. Thank you for your time. FiLoCo

Look the infobox guidelines proclaim loud and clear is that it should be a main language in that place, not anything else. If you can prove to me how 0.01% of a population is a main language I'd happily oblige to your wishes. --Howard the Duck 03:38, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

I'm not saying this in disrespect but i think you're taking all of this too personally. I mean your even planning on blocking the page how self fish is that? Just because it says main language does not mean Philippines does not belong in that box. What if someone told you to jump off a cliff would you? Do you see my point? I'm not attaking you in anyway ok just remember that. And you keep bringing up this 0.01% statistic, how long ago was that statistic?? Can you youself prove that 0.01% stat?? FiLoCo

Please, lets keep the discussion on chronological order.

I'm not selfish. I'm all for what's correct here.

0.01% is from the official census. And can you compute that? That like 4,000 Spanish-speakers in an 89+ million population. I'd take the official census over anything else.

Can you classify that as a main language? No. Therefore it shouldn't be there. If you'd have a problem with that, petition to change the criteria. The criteria is set in stone, it should be a main language. If you can convince me that 0.01% of a population is a main language I'd be happy to oblige.

Adding the Philippines in the infobox doesn't change things, the Filipinos still don't speak Spanish. --Howard the Duck 04:16, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

0.01% was the 1990 census. how many years ago was that??? Do we live in 1990?? The year is 2007 if you need to be reminded. You just want full control of the page that's why u had the page blocked. Yes that is self fish and you know it. I'm sorry to say that but its true. And i dont' understand why u hav to shout it's not necessary. We are civilised people. Having the page blocked is a little Marcos like dont you think? FiLoCo —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.206.232.15 (talk • contribs)

Actually, perhaps due to a very low percentage, Spanish wasn't mentioned in the 2000 census. And if the page is locked that means no one can edit it, so I can't "control" it. As for Marcos, I don't care so you can say whatever you want. --Howard the Duck 05:03, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

By the way, the figure is not 0.01% but instead 0.003% (more or less). That is an insignificant number; it's barely worth mentioning at all. 1990 is the most recent, reliable statistic that has been found. I have not found any other as of yet. The 3.1 million statistic is dubious and most likely taken out of context. Furthermore, the 1990 percentage is not likely to have changed much. Most Philippine languages have steadily maintained their percentage of speakers since 1990 so the same is most likely to have Spanish. --Chris S. 05:18, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Lol, people are insisting to add the Philippines in the infobox for a 0.003% statistic. That's either stupid or they have an agenda. --Howard the Duck 05:22, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Other languages on this site such as burmese, italian, japanese just to name a few have countries in their info boxes that shouldnt be in there as the number of speakers is "insufficient" in terms of stats therefore every language in the world should be followed up on then dont you think? I just dont understand why we cant just put Philippines in that box. I dont think it will change the world if we do. No-one will die from putting it in that box. I mean just because one does not hear the language spoken in espana boulevard doesnt mean it is not spoken by Filipinos. You dnt know what languages every Filipino can speak. Just because you dont hear them speak it does not mean they cant speak the language true? User:FiLoCo

I don't watch those pages or edit them, ergo, I do not know anything about those pages, making it insufficient for me to know what should be added there. But come on, it's not even 0.01%, its 0.003%. Tell me how's that a main language. --Howard the Duck 06:48, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Saying that filipinos actually speak spanish is nonsense. While there is a lot of spanish influence very, very few actually *speak* spanish. There is a lot of historical filipino documents written in spanish, but that is mostly because traditional filipino writings were all but destroyed by the spanish during a near 400 year occupation.

What language do filipino's speak? How about Tagalog, Cebuana, Ilyokano... more filipinos speak english than spanish! So please do not add us to any "latin union", that's just ridiculous. The actual amount of filipinos with spanish blood in them is probably less than 10% across the globe. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.197.184.165 (talk) 07:32, August 20, 2007 (UTC)

Template:Philippine elections

Hi. The logic behind the categorisation of parliamentary elections in the Philippines is that in general the lower house is accepted as being the parliament, whilst the Senate is generally regarded as the upper house. Thus both unicameral and House of Representative elections would be considered parliamentary elections (as would constitutional conventions, as they are in effect mini parliaments), a fact backed up by the continuation of the lower house as parliament when Senates have been abolished and/or reinstated (e.g. Zimbabwe, Denmark, Greece etc). Hope this helps explain it! Number 57 22:06, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Actually we had a debate on this matter, see Talk:Speaker of the Philippine House of Representatives. I'd rather merge the House of Rep. and the Senate since the elections were almost always synchronized, while the Parliament existed for only a short time and wasn't the successor of the House of Rep. --Howard the Duck 07:57, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

OK, if you think its appropriate, then the links to Senatorial elections which happened in different years to the House ones can be added to the Parliamentary section and the Senatorial one can be got rid of. Number 57 19:07, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

I'd agree but I suggest renaming the section to Congressional elections since the Parliament existed from 1981-86, while Congress from early 1910s-1965 then from 1986-present. --Howard the Duck 04:49, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

To Howard:

Hi, Howard, I'm sorry about the incivil behaviour i have caused.. I wish it never happened...dude I was so stupid for dropping the bomb on you yesterday.. Sorry man!!.. And also, I'm curious to know, that someone out there is impersanating me and is trying to damage my reputation as a good wiki-contributer.. Just wondering, who the hell is User:Fil-Co.???.. Bro I need your help!!! Once again I'm sorry.. User:Ramirez72 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.106.129.47 (talk • contribs)

I think someone (not me) filed a sockpuppetry case against you, as for incivility, you can wait for a week until the block expires or ask help from the person who blocked you. --Howard the Duck 08:10, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Reply:Thanks for your advice, I really appreciated it.. Once again I'm soo Sorry for the arguement..I promise to you, it will never happen again.. You can always count on a Mexican. Saludos! adios amigo--User:Ramirez72 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.106.129.47 (talk • contribs)

Re: Raymond Gutiérrez

Please see the first line in the above article:

Raymond Gutiérrez is a Filipino television personality and the identical twin brother of actor Richard Gutiérrez.

That's twice I see the diactric é in the last name. Cheers! --May the Force be with you! Shreshth91 10:55, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

I just got lazy editing the whole article, the thing is, you reverted me after 3 minutes. --Howard the Duck 12:14, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Arnold Zamora

Hi Howard, puede ka kaya tumulong to get references/citations on him from UST files - UST Central Seminary, Psalterion Choir, LOGOS Choir, UST Senate, UST yearbook/s? (circa 1981 to 1984). Pls let me know. It will be a lot of help...--Ate Pinay (talk•email) 00:17, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

The last time I went to UST was on October... perhaps you can ask folks at ustexchange.com, they might help you. --Howard the Duck 04:46, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for the info. I just recently found http://www.ustseminary.com, too. --Ate Pinay (talk•email) 11:23, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

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Map of home provinces of Philippine presidents/vice presidents

Cavite, Emilio Aguinaldo's home province, is not highlighted in the map for presdents; same case with Emmanuel Pelaez's home province of Misamis Oriental in the map for vice presidents. I've also edited the captions and notes, I hope you don't mind. -- Dakilang Isagani 06:13, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Must've escaped me, correcting now... Thanks. --Howard the Duck 06:58, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Blocked for WP:3RR on List of Vice Presidents of the Philippines

You have been temporarily blocked for violation of the three revert rule in regard to the article List of Vice Presidents of the Philippines. Other users in violation have also been blocked. The timing of this block is coincidental, and does not represent an endorsement of the current article revision. Please feel free to return after the block expires, but also please make an effort to discuss your changes further in the future on the article's talk page (Talk:List of Vice Presidents of the Philippines).

The duration of the block is 24 hours. — Nearly Headless Nick ^{C} 12:04, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Hey, I only reverted three times, 3RR works for four times. I didn't revert the last revision. I contest the block. --Howard the Duck 12:03, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

I guess you are right about that part, the first revert was of a completely different thing. However, I would suggest using the talk page of the article in the future to discuss contentious editing. Also, please don't take WP:3RR as a normative policy and a right to revert three times without discussion. You have been unblocked. — Nearly Headless Nick ^{C} 12:08, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for understanding. --Howard the Duck 12:09, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

I can't edit yet (no, it's not the disputed article) ... --Howard the Duck 12:11, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

I have removed the autoblock, but I wonder how it got activated in the first place. — Nearly Headless Nick ^{C} 12:13, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks again. (Autoblock must be automatic or something?) --Howard the Duck 12:14, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Deleted GMA Network articles

Hi there! Here's a list of Deleted GMA Network Articles:

Bakekang Lupin (Philippine TV Series) GMA Records Sugo Mga Kuwento ni Lola Basyang Asian Treasures Super Twins Marinara (TV series) Kung Mawawala Ka

among others

Please do something to recover those entries. Thank you so much! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Kyupayb (talk • contribs) 09:21, 19 February 2007 (UTC).

Ok, what you can do for me is to look for the Google archive of these articles, or you can write the barest of essentials and I'd ask an admin to restore the revision history. --Howard the Duck 09:24, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Lougee's page

Hi! Thanks for editing some parts of the wikipedia entry of Lougee! However, according to the band's profile (written by their manager Ms. Karin Araneta), "mojofly" are, and should, be written in all caps. I changed them all back to MOJOFLY if you don't mind. I still would like to thank you for checking out Lougee's page.

I have one question, is the info regarding Japs Sergio referring Lougee to the old MOJOFLY true? if that is true, which happened first: Superlooj or Chickie Bones (I am very sure that Superlooj existed)? I have also read in one website (i forgot its address) that it was Chito Miranda (of Parokya) that referred Lougee to the old MOJOFLY. But again, I haven't verified it yet.

Thanks!

Ronster beta 08:16, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Actually, you'd have to read Wikipedia:Manual of Style (trademarks); and since's MOJOFLY is at Mojofly, and seeing that Mojofly has no chance of being moved to MOJOFLY, we should keep it at title case. I dunno the answer for your 2nd question, though. --Howard the Duck 08:14, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Hey! Thanks again! You have a point there. I'm sorry for bothering you (and for not reading the guidelines), it's my first time here! Actually, I just edited her Wikipedia entry because the information written about her (before I edited it) were not true and malicious. I'll change "MOJOFLY back" to "Mojofly" as soon as I can. Thanks again!

Ronster beta 17:22, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

sweet

sweet username, its pretty cool! --Juicy girl 23:59, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

About the Super Twins Controversy

I also posted this in the Tambayan Philippines talk page.

Why is the Controversy section removed for being "laughable"? I also agree that they are funny, but they also made their points about the alleged Sailor Moon rip-off. Anyway, I did not put them there to prove that they are right. I put them there to substantiate the existence of the controversy and to indicate what exactly are their allegations for calling the show a Sailor Moon rip-off. GMA Network itself admitted the existence of the controversy in an interview and then defended their own show anyway, which I also put up. Perryv 04:22, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Simple, since blogs and message boards aren't reliable sources. If a broadsheet or even a tabloid picks this up then it should be included. --Howard the Duck 07:45, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. But the interview itself did not come from a blog or a message board. Maybe it shouldn't be deleted along with the rest of the Controversy section. :-)

I agree that we should not use blogs and message boards as evidence to claims of fact. I'm not really trying to say "Statement X is true according to blogger Y" on Wikipedia. But is it allowed to say "Allegation X exists. One such allegation is said by blogger Y"? Because that was what I'm trying to say. Perryv 08:30, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Nah, that website you gave me looks like a blog, IMHO. And even if that's not a blog, it's still not reliable for me. I'd even take the tabloids than that one. --Howard the Duck 08:36, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Philippine Entertainment Portal is not a blog. It's a showbiz site. See also the About page. It also has its own forum. You can treat it as the Entertainment section of a magazine, or even an Entertainment magazine. So if a tabloid is barely reliable for you, I think that this site is more reliable than a tabloid in my opinion, at least when it comes to Entertainment talk. :-) Perryv 10:23, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

So you're basically saying we'd source an article on an online gossip website? At least on tabloids, they're accountable, offline, and even mainstream (except for the porn ones, who reads their gossip section - if any - anyway) The point is the section needs more reliable sources, broadsheets and tabloids, not online gossip sites. --Howard the Duck 10:28, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Also, if the incident is that notable, it could've been mentioned on mainstream media. As of now, it's not that notable. --Howard the Duck 10:28, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Alright, I agree on the notable criterion. However, I don't automatically brand an Entertainment website "an online gossip website" (although gossip talk is practically unavoidable in this area), because it implies that every article there is nearly 100% gossip. I have read some articles in PEP, and there are articles that are newsworthy in my opinion (e.g., they agree with some online newspapers). Oops, I'm not trying to promote PEP here. :-) Perryv 11:53, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

If they do look like online newspapers, then we might as well use the real newspapers, right? --Howard the Duck 12:09, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

I did not say they look like online newspapers :-) But one reason I find PEP in particular fairly reliable (in the sense that a tabloid is also reliable) is because I find that some of its articles are in agreement with some online newspapers. But on the other hand, since PEP specializes in entertainment, not all things in PEP can be found in the newspapers (including some gossip, unfortunately). The point is, PEP is not all gossip to deserve the label "online gossip website", I believe. In the case of the Super Twins article in PEP, I don't have any reason to dismiss PEP's report on GMA Network's defense of the show as untrue or gossip.

But anyway, I already agreed that the Sailor Moon rip-off controversy is not notable. :-) Perryv 15:00, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

With everything you are saying, since you say PEP=Entertainment section of a newspaper, then why don't we use the entertainment section of a newspaper instead? --Howard the Duck 06:51, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Talk:Imago (band)

I did not intent to use the UP fair as a measure of notability (I just brushed up on WP:MUSIC today but not then) as other bands (which should be tested with WP:MUSIC to have an article included) get to play there as well. Since Shrumster is studying at UP as well, I just thought that he might drop by and see Imago play then. Sarcasm is not a very productive thing and it is not proper for an experienced Wikipedian to shoot down other editors unless their actions are detrimental to Wikipedia. I believe an invitation to see a band play does not negatively affect Wikipedia. I also do not remember any negative thing that I did to you.---Lenticel 07:10, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

No, you didn't get my point, I was for the retention of the article. It was Shrumster who's whining for other articles to be deleted, FYI, (As for Giniling Festival, a song of theirs is about crap so I just inserted that...) --Howard the Duck 07:13, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Okay, guess I just became too passionate again. I'm glad that this thing cleared up quickly. I thought you were pertaining to my comment as Giniling Festival did play at the UP fair.----Lenticel 07:21, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Philippine Climate Map

Thanks for creating the map (already some time ago..). You can see here that it is used on the Dutch Wikipedia. Magalhães 22:16, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, but I can't read Dutch :p --Howard the Duck 02:26, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Kastila

Hey Howard, mukhang mangangailangan ako ng iyong tulong sa wikang wikang Kastila. Tingnan mo yung history at malalaman mo kung ano ang sinasabi ko doon. Aalis na 'ko at hindi ako makakauwi hanggang alas 4 mamayang hapon, FYI. --Chris S. 13:25, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Template:Philippines political divisions

I kinda, toyed around with the layout. Please feel free to revert if it's undesirable. —Scorpion prinz 03:47, 10 March 2007 (UTC)