Wikipedia talk:Twinkle

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Question About What Warning to Issue

In an XFD discussion, I entered a Keep !vote, and the nominator struck out the bolded Keep with an explanation. My question is what Twinkle warning can or should I issue. I gave a Level 3 warning for Disruptive Editing, but I would have preferred to give something more specific. Robert McClenon (talk) 18:50, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

More generally, if I would like to propose that a new Twinkle warning be added, is this the place to make the suggestion, or should I make it somewhere else? Robert McClenon (talk) 18:50, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

Twinkle only exposes some of the standard warnings available - see Wikipedia:Template index/User talk namespace for more. Not sure if any more precise warning exists, but I think "Disruptive Editing" is very accurate if they remove an opposing !vote without a clear and valid reason. KylieTastic (talk) 18:54, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

I'd use one of the Uw-tvp* templates. "Refactoring other's talk page comments". Example: {{Uw-tpv3}}. I found it by going to TW -> Warn, then clicking on the dropdown box with all the user warnings. There's a spot to search. I typed "talk", and if that didn't work, I was going to try searching for "tpo". –Novem Linguae (talk) 21:17, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

I saw "Refactoring other's talk page comments" and didn't know if striking the Keep was refactoring. Maybe I will use it next time, but maybe there won't be a next time, because I think that this is the first time I have seen that behavior, and it should be the last time.

They didn't remove an opposing !vote. They struck it. The principle is the same.

The editor deleted my warning, so they saw it and have been warned. Thank you. Robert McClenon (talk) 17:50, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

 Closing without action –Novem Linguae (talk) 12:12, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

Where is warn entry?

I don't see the "warn" entry, how to fix? Susbush (talk) 17:43, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

@Susbush. Are you on a user or user talk page? Do you see the TW menu? When you click that open do you see the "Warn" link? –Novem Linguae (talk) 23:27, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

I see the TW menu, but not the "Warn" link. Susbush (talk) 01:20, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

What URL are you at when you're looking at the TW menu? Warn will only show up if you're on a user page or user talk page, and if that page isn't your own. –Novem Linguae (talk) 03:09, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

Oh, so that's why it wasn't showing up. Susbush (talk) 11:30, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

 Closing without action –Novem Linguae (talk) 12:12, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

XFDCloser issue?

There's some potential cross-script issues between this and WP:XFDC, if any of the technically-minded back-end programmers could check out this conversation at XFDC's talk page, we would much appreciate it. Primefac (talk) 12:03, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

Replied there. Bug is not caused by Twinkle. – SD0001 (talk) 18:14, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

 Closing without action –Novem Linguae (talk) 12:13, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

Warning about citing Wikipedia

Am I right in thinking that Twinkle does not have a warning template for people who cite Wikipedia? If so, could one be added? Does such a template already exist? I have been unable to find one. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:47, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

I've been using Template:Uw-circular. Hope this helps! DonIago (talk) 15:04, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

Thank you. That is for when a user "cited the information you added to another Wikipedia article or an external wiki." - a small subset of the cases I describe. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 17:23, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

You might have better luck at Wikipedia:Template index/User talk namespace; Twinkle doesn't host (or create) warning templates, it just provides an easier way to post them. Primefac (talk) 13:27, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

I may be being a bit thick here, but I guess I'm not seeing the distinction? Are you talking about citing Wikipedia outside the scope of Wikipedia itself? DonIago (talk) 15:17, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

No, the confusion is mine; I misread the template. Apologies. I have changed the wording slightly to make it clearer. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 17:57, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

 Closing without action –Novem Linguae (talk) 12:13, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

Request: Last protection duration in dialogue box?

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Issue #2021

Is it possible, when bringing up the dialogue box to protect a page, to show the duration of the last protection? Like how when you're blocking someone, it shows how long the last block was for. ... discospinster _talk 19:52, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

@Discospinster. When I went to test this, it shows this already. For example, go to WP:ANI, then do TW -> PP. Under Tagging options, I see the red text Current protection level: Move: sysop (indefinite) by ScottishFinnishRadish. Previous protections: protection log • pending changes log (expired 2019-02-24). Got any pages where this isn't showing up that you'd like me to look into? –Novem Linguae (talk) 12:17, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

I'm thinking of articles that are not currently edit protected but have been in the past - for how long was the immediately previous protection? For example Ni Hao, Kai Lan shows that it's currently move protected, but I'm interested in the length of the last edit protection (in this case it was one year but in the Twinkle dialogue box I have to click on "protection log" to see that). ... discospinster _talk 17:31, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

Request: Inline parenthetical referencing

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Issue #2022
Resolved

It would be nice if {{Inline parenthetical referencing}} were added. Snowman304|talk 01:14, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

@Snowman304. Are you aware of any other inline templates that Twinkle places? I don't think there are any. I don't think Twinkle has the ability to place anything inline, which would probably require the visual editor. –Novem Linguae (talk) 12:19, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

@Novem Linguae: Template:Inline parenthetical referencing is confusingly named. It's about parenthetical referencing that's inline, not an inline template for parenthetical referencing. It produces the same sort of box that, say, Template:Cleanup lang would. Snowman304|talk 00:10, 17 October 2024 (UTC)

Ah, got it. I've gone ahead and renamed the template to {{Parenthetical referencing}}, since "inline" and "section" both have very specific meaning in maintenance tag template names, and that is not what is going on here. –Novem Linguae (talk) 08:09, 17 October 2024 (UTC)

CSD criteria for categories and another small issue

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Issue #1994
Resolved

The CSD criteria for categories should be changed to include the new criteria C4, instead of just showing C1 and two other general criteria. Would help a ton when doing technical CSDs for categories. (I know you can add your own stuff but it always doesn't work for me.) The criteria is also brand new so I don't blame you for not seeing it. I also had a bit of an issue when I was opening up a CFD using Twinkle, it had subst: it but it only pasted in the whole template and not the actual subst: here is the diff but was fixed by Pppery in the next edit. Cowboygilbert - (talk) ♥ 02:01, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

We have a ticket and a patch to add C4 already. Will see if I can expedite it.

Looks like the bad diff was caused by malformed wikicode syntax provided by the user. Changing [[[[ to [[ fixes the subst. Probably no need to fix this on the Twinkle side. –Novem Linguae (talk) 07:38, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

I approved the CSD C4 patch and did a deploy just now. Should be all set. –Novem Linguae (talk) 09:44, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Close paraphrasing note in warnings

There is only one level for this, which might be a bit strong for new editors Wikipedia takes copyright violations very seriously and persistent violators will be blocked from editing. Can we get a lighter level, similar to how there are multiple levels for vandalism? Bogazicili (talk) 14:57, 19 October 2024 (UTC)

This isn't really a Twinkle issue because it involves the creation of new user warning (Uw) templates. Wikipedia talk:Template index/User talk namespace might be a better place to suggest this. –Novem Linguae (talk) 19:41, 19 October 2024 (UTC)

 Closing without action –Novem Linguae (talk) 05:42, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Noticeboard notifications are marked as minor edits

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Issue #2032
Resolved

When a user is given a noticeboard notification through the Talkback feature (I don't know about the other three), it somehow gets marked as minor (diff). This causes the user to not receive the notification associated with the edit (I know, because ClueBot marks my talk page archivings as minor and I don't get new message alerts on them). Since the point of these notifications is to make sure they are aware of the discussion (especially since ANI requires the user to be notified), these should not be marked as minor. ミラP@Miraclepine 02:17, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Users will get a notification alright even if the edit is marked as minor. ClueBot doesn't trigger notifications because its edits are additionally marked as bot edits. – SD0001 (talk) 05:29, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

No, minor edits on your user talk don't trigger alerts. Nardog (talk) 07:56, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

From testing it on testwiki, looks like you're right. Is this some recent change? I've always remembered it working that way, and it's what the code says as well – minor edits should suppress notifications only if the editor has nominornewtalk right, which per Special:ListGroupRights is only available to bots. – SD0001 (talk) 11:54, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

It's worked that way for as far back as I can remember. Here's me telling an editor to mark their c/e edits on my talk page as minor in February 2019. Nardog (talk) 05:16, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

Adding article functionality to Template:Welcome cookie

Hello,

Would it be possible to add article naming functionality to Template:Welcome Cookie in the same way as Template:Welcome? This way, the template would say something to the effect of "I noticed your edits on <x article> and wanted to welcome you! Etc. Let me know if this has already been discussed!

Thanks!

JuxtaposedJacob (talk) | :) | he/him | 09:34, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the idea. This page is mainly for changing the Twinkle gadget. Requests for coders to edit/improve templates might be a better fit for WP:RT or WP:VPT. Hope that helps. –Novem Linguae (talk) 09:50, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Thank you @Novem Linguae, will follow up there.

Have a great day!

JuxtaposedJacob (talk) | :) | he/him | 06:47, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

 Closing without action –Novem Linguae (talk) 20:40, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia Dark Mode

Tracked in github.com
Issue #1979
Resolved

Could we add support for the new wikipedia dark mode? TheWikipede (talk) 13:16, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

Adding other Welcomeen templates to the default configuration

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Issue #2038

Hey. As someone who frequently welcomes new users, I sometimes have the occasion to use the many welcomeen templates, which basically says "Hi! Unfortunately, you're not fluent in English. Please edit another language Wikipedia. Thank you." I have had to add several welcomeen templates, and I propose that all be added to the default configuration. Please note that I've used all of them at least once.

• {{subst:Welcomeen-ha}} (Hausa)
• {{subst:Welcomeen-hi}} (Hindi)
• {{subst:Welcomeen-id}} (Indonesian)
• {{subst:Welcomeen-it}} (Italian)
• {{subst:Welcomeen-ms}} (Malay)
• {{subst:Welcomeen-fa}} (Persian)
• {{subst:Welcomeen-th}} (Thai)
• {{subst:Welcomeen-ur}} (Urdu)
• {{subst:Welcomeen-vi}} (Vietnamese)

Now, I'm vaguely aware that other welcomeen templates exist. On principle, I'm not opposed to having all of them added to the default configuration of Twinkle. I'm just trying to prevent inertia by suggesting only the ones I've had occasion to use. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 22:21, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

CFD/S merging

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Issue #2040
Resolved

In Special:Diff/1255067356, I expected it to put a merge tag ({{subst:cfm-speedy}}), but it put a rename tag instead. jlwoodwa (talk) 23:55, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

Misclick? Has it happened anywhere else? Primefac (talk) 12:34, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

I don't see how it could have been a misclick – there's no "rename vs merge" option to incorrectly select, and it did go through as C2F (as shown in Special:Diff/1255067358). I think the issue is that the speedy category criteria are mostly for renaming, and Twinkle doesn't know that C2F is the exception – it's for speedy merging. jlwoodwa (talk) 15:15, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

@Jlwoodwa. Can you confirm the steps you took? Was it TW -> XFD -> CfD/S -> C2D?

When I did that on testwiki just now, it placed {{subst:cfr-speedy|1=Trochilinae}}. But you're saying it should instead place {{subst:cfm-speedy|1=Trochilinae}}? –Novem Linguae (talk) 15:34, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

Almost – it was TW→XfD→CfD/S→C2F. Most of the speedy category criteria are used for renaming, but WP:C2F is for merging, so I think it should place {{subst:cfr-speedy}} in most cases and {{subst:cfm-speedy}} only when C2F is used. jlwoodwa (talk) 16:44, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

Request for a new warning to be added

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Issue #2034
Resolved

Every once in a while I have to use the Uw-pronouns series of warnings, and it kind of bugs me that this isn't available for use with twinkle. I'm not quite sure if this is right place to suggest something like this, and if it isn't then I would greatly appreciated being pointed in the right direction. Gaismagorm (talk) 00:44, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

Can we have a warning for renominating pages where the discussion was recently closed?

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Issue #2039

This would be very ideal as I am not always aware when using Twinkle whether a page has recently been nominated for deletion or not. I just made that same mistake again and I think this problem is avoidable. Something like this:

• Warning: This page was was recently nominated for deletion and had its discussion closed. Please take caution before renominating again.

or something similar. Awesome Aasim 02:41, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

See also this issue (related, but different), about giving a heads-up when undeleting a page that was previously undeleted. — Frostly (talk) 23:15, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

There's also this thing called "checking the talk page first" as that is the normal location for notifications of previous nominations. Just Step Sideways ^{from this world ..... today} 01:13, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

Advert and Promotional content templates

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Issue #2035
Resolved

Following a TfD, {{Advert}} and {{Promotional tone}} have been merged and moved to {{Promotional}}. Please update Twinkle accordingly. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 17:11, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

mw.loader.load('ext.gadget.TwinkleAr');

the options that i never get in arwiki

Hi Every one,

I'm Ayoub from arwiki, sorry if i ask for help in the wrong place nd sorry for my english, As you may know arwiki use

mw.loader.load('ext.gadget.TwinkleAr');

as here to load Twinkle, and it works very well, but in File namespace when i choiceTw>Tag its gives me nothing, but in articles pages it works, so I need help to fix that probleme, Thank you — أيوب ^{(Talk 📧)} 21:41, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

It might be better to get a technical person from your own wiki to look into this. Have you tried posting somewhere like ar:ويكيبيديا:الميدان/تقنية or ar:نقاش_ويكيبيديا:لمح_البصر? –Novem Linguae (talk) 17:20, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

@Novem Linguae Thank you for replay, I tried to share this issus with Interface administrators in Wikipedia:Interface administrators' noticeboard there, but i don't get any information exept that Twinkle in arwiki is load from enwiki, that's why i open this topic here hoping find any help. — أيوب ^{(Talk 📧)} 19:49, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

@Novem Linguae thank you again, the issus is fixed. — أيوب ^{(Talk 📧)} 21:16, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

You're welcome.  Closing without action –Novem Linguae (talk) 03:27, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

Vandalism/Promotion Only Account greyed out

Why is vandalism-only account and promotion-only account greyed out in the ARV menu? TheWikipede^talk 15:47, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

Are you looking at an IP? NightWolf1223 <Howl at me•My hunts> 16:05, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

Yeah TheWikipede^talk 17:45, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

Likely because IPs are editors but are not accounts. Primefac (talk) 20:11, 12 November 2024 (UTC)