At least 13. That’s the age of majority in more than one country’s common law. Before that point you can’t hold them liable for anything directly because they are a ward of the parent. If they aren’t the parents’ problem, then they are society’s problem. And society didn’t want them before 13. It’s not just what people’s parenting preferences were. It’s also society’s preference for problems not being created for them.

And if we want to go further back in time than common law it actually gets worse. Under Roman law you were a ward of your father until his death. Full age of majority came at 25, and you had the right to dispute disadvantageous contracts before that point in the same way as we do for those under 18 today. Which means, people won’t want to make contracts with you, and you don’t have full independence from your family.

Modern. 0-16 child. 16-18 functional adolescent. 18-> adult.
Rome. 0-14 child. 14-25 functional adolescent. 25-> adult.
European antiquity. 0-13 child. 13-> adult.

But in Rome, you lose liability over your children when you die.

That might be true if both families are wealthy enough for one to have a dowry to give and the other relationships worth giving a dowry for. That would not be 99% of people.

Marriage was actually imposed by society. It was a way to communicate that you are responsible enough to bring a child into the world, instead of creating another fatherless child who would become an economic liability for the entire village and likely grow to become a criminal, if not starved in the cold before then.

Before society developed the economics to at least partially take care of fatherless children, the entire village would rightly bash your head in if they found you were having sex without being married. Because society tends to dislike starving children.

Society could only take care of so many orphans. In rural areas they might have no institutions for that. Even one orphan or unwed mother could be an impossible problem. But they could reduce the orphan load 10:1 if they simply threaten the people creating the problem.

Update. I have the poll out: https://goatmatrix.net/c/Movies/Ci7uTBZP3Z

This is relevant.

https://goatmatrix.net/c/Funny/CKxtFqoJiB

Why can’t people just accept nature?

Is someone allowed to say black solidarity is the only way to survive?

Except the vaccine.

Me too. But people have to downvote you for being happy. OpenRC is so easy to script. I also like how because Artix has more than one option for an init system the init scripts are always in a seperate package. That lets me decided if I want the package injecting things into init or if I just want the software.

Cytube is a site that synchronizes video and lets people chat. You would just follow the link to the site, and then pick a guest name for chat. We do this every Saturday.

Cyberpunk is the current theme, so if you like that sort of thing it’s a safe bet the movies will be decent.

I’d do fine. Honestly, you’d all be a lot better off than with the current lot.

Woah. Even I didn’t realize that. Then we’ll have to revise because we watched the original last week. According to the poll Hackers (1995) is the next favored.

So it will be Colossus and Hackers.

Thank goodness we caught that.

We’d all already be using bitcoin if it wasn’t volatile. There is no reason why Fiat can’t be done in a secure way and with low fees. But somehow half the options can be insecure and remain competitive. Standards, group momentum, and network demand can be kind of a bitch to improving the world.

I’d ask them why there’s no sax in your violins shop.

Apparently you didn’t get the sarcasm.

You must live near one of my friends. Once I found out he was waking up early to catch the end of our thing. I’m not really recommending that because that’s kind of crazy.

But did the bozos ever get fucked? Yes. Yes they did.

I had some people tell me that late in the movie. Somehow it ended up on the TMDB listing. That or I ended up in the wrong TMDB listing when I grabbed it.

People on Lemmy don’t understand sarcasm because they have brain damage.

Well a lot of the obsession over the exact age of 18 is a modern concept. We think of that as a medieval concept, but nope. You just need to go back to the 70s and 80s.

Thank you for suggestions. The poll has been created. Thank you!

About that. The CEO he shot was actually in hot water with Blackrock, who were functionally his bosses, for not doing enough to screw over people. Blackrock owns many insurance companies. So that was like 1% progress on solving a problem. Until you get your IRA/401k divested from Blackrock and stop shopping at Blackrock owned companies (good luck), you can shoot all the CEOs you want. Blackrock will still instruct their employee to screw you over.