A club for the fans of visual novel company TYPE-MOON and anime based of their work.
TYPE-MOON was founded in 2000 by Kinoko Nasu (writer) and Takeuchi Takashi (illustrator) for the production of their first doujin game, Tsukihime. Before that, they worked together on writing/illustrating the Kara no Kyoukai novels. After the success of Tsukihime that led to fan-disk, sequel and spin-off fighting game, TYPE-MOON went from being a doujin circle to professional game company with a release of Fate/stay night game in 2004.
Dedicated wiki with bunch of background info (and spoilers!) can be found at http://typemoon.wikia.com/ .
That animated part from 2:30 must be one of the most beautiful trailers I've ever seen. Ufotable completely stuns me once again. I have no intention of playing the game, but I, sincerely hope they remake the anime as well!!
Also, if they re-made the original FSN game, that would be something I'd pick up for sure. Even on Switch if I have to!
That feeling, when you come to a thread, just to see the exact post you had intended on posting already there.
I wasn't paying attention to the stream so I had not realized what we were seeing for the first minute... and then the tune started playing. I kinda went nuts in a discord chat on hearing that.
I'm glad to see the project is finally moving but at the same time... Consoles only for now. F.
Hmm, so what IS the 1st magic? I read the TM Wiki description... and it basically told me nothing.
It hasn't really figured in any story, and so very little has been said about it. It has "denial of nothingness" as one of its descriptors, ether lumps are somehow related to it, its user has died, he is the only person to earn Barthomelois' respect, there is a Dead Apostle that is given the moniker "Wraith of the First". That's basically it - vague, scattered bits of information with little clarity.
The timeline also implies that the user of the First created Ether, the Imaginary Fifth Element, thus allowing mystery to persist in some form in the new era. However, don't quote me on that; the placement of that statement may be coincidental.
Edit: Oh, and have a passage about the First that I quite like,
Quote:
"That which predates all others," "that from which the Five Magics began." Associations with fantasy, wonderland, and falsehood. Opposition to Principle of Consumption; conversely associated with perpetual motion, resurrection, the Denial of Nothingness...
Hey, hey, people. We have a Fate/ timeline. It's very basic but on the bright side, it's taken less than 20 years for it to see the light of day!
Fate Timeline
Courtesy of the new Case Files Mats. This goes for all of them btw as the various Fate works only start diverging from each other in the 20th century.
960 BC: King Solomon’s death. The Age of Gods end here. The traces of Mystery were supposed to fade from this point on and become reduced to nothing by the point of AD.
The night before AD: The user of the First Magic is Born
00 AD: The remaining magus from the Age of Gods lay the foundation of the Mage’s Association. “Mystery will one day disappear, but let’s preserve the knowledge as an academia.” was their motto(reason to take action). However—
20 AD: The 5th Imaginary Element “Ether” is proven. The New World begins. It was decided that Magecraft and Mystery was to be continued in a different form. The other magus from the Age of Gods shut themselves in the Atlas Temple and the Wandering Sea, and although they did not agree to our motto, we preserved our fellowship as mutual followers of the academy of mystery. This, in future, developed into the Mage’s Association
20~100 AD: The headmaster, along with his associates, work diligently in their activities. Thanks to their work, more people began learning magecraft and the energy(morale) from the Age of Gods began to come back. From around this time, Dead Apostles began appearing in the Magus world(society) and they began attacking mages as they saw them as an enemy(threat).
300 AD: The night in the forest capital, the Battle at the Millennium Castle
It is said…that a battle between the Crimson Moon and the Wizard Marshall Zelretch took place
300~500 AD: In the Western European countries of the Great Continent, the Holy Church begins building up its influence(power). The Mage’s Association decline. The damage from the fight with the Crimson Moon was too deep. The Winter for magecraft begins. The Magus Capitals that the Mage’s Association developed became shut down one by one because of the conflict with the Holy Church. With the Crimson Moon destroyed, Gransurg Blackmore, in despair accepts his own destruction. Even though he raises his own disciples, on that night of the Blue Moon, he is defeated by an Executor who happened to pass by. “I met that person on a night like this. Then a night like this is the time for me to die”.
500 AD: The last remaining True Ether(5th True Element) on the British Island disappears. A group of magus set their headquarters in the British Island. This marks the beginning of the “Clock Tower”
600~900 AD: The Spirit Grave, Albion is excavated. The Clock Tower continues to dig into the depth of Britain and gains an insurmountable asset(fortune) for magecraft. The Clock Tower becomes a light of hope to the declining Magus world and a great number of magus and investors gather.
900 AD: Justeaze, the Holy Maiden of the Einzbern is born. The Third Magic that has been told over 1000 years is finally proven.
1000 AD: The prodigy child Barthomeloi arrives at the Clock Tower. The groundwork for the Aristocratic classes of Magus is formed.
1200 AD: The Clock Tower is now the center of the Magus world. The Monarch system is complete. (At this time there were 12 departments with the Faculty of Policies being one of them)
1400 AD: Zepia is inaugurated to the role of Director. To this day, he is continuing that role.
1600 AD: The way of the Faculty of Policies start to be questioned. It is no longer an academic department. From this point on, it became a separate faculty and the 12 departments became 11 departments.
1800 AD: The Industrial Revolution of Great Britain. It was a painful blow to the magus world but knowledge and technology becoming more complex is a good thing. It was the most damaging form of attack to the Holy Church, who increased it’s influence with its “Singular World View”, so we even supported it. At this point there was an internal conflict on whether to accept this industrial revolution. Later this became the cause of the divide between the Aristocratic Faction and the Democratic Faction. It was impossible to ignore the new genre of Modern Magecraft Theory and it filled the slot of the empty 12th department. However, although it was added as the 12th department, because modern magecraft was looked down upon, this department does not have a lord assigned to it at this point.
1994 AD: Lord El-Melloi dies in a minor ritual called the Grail War in Japan. Seriously?
2004 AD: The follow-up 5th Grail War begins. Rumored that the Third Magic was recreated. Seriously!?
2015 AD: The Grand Order declared in a parallel word.
source: Case Files materials;
translated by: viridian-kingof-kanto (https://viridian-kingof-kanto.tumblr.com/post/189918070344/fate-timeline)
There are a lot of interesting points being mentioned here but one specifically holds a particularly curious implication for me,
Quote:
The night before AD: The user of the First Magic is Born
Jesus may be the Magician of the First. Just, wow.
The remake of anime would be sweeet, and at least twice the lenght as original. I sensed a very good story in Tsukihime, but it was cut too short and the execution was not good enough to transcend it to the viewers in all its beauty.
Uhhh yea, a bit dissapointed with what Type-Moon is doing for Fate/Stay Night's 15th Anniversary. Though I'll probably get the Artbook and the CD and maybe the UBW BD Box. Still way too much Type-Moon stuff that is missing in my collection..
Not much to say here. That description is sufficient for its purpose, though the wording irks me a bit, mostly the "Nasuverse multiverse" part, which just makes my fingers itch to choke something.
Shoutbox
post #480 by ferian on 26.02.2021 12:30
Why are they releasing the remake on ps4 when the ps5 exists?
At a guess, they had expected to release the game long before PS5's arrival. Consider that this remake has been in development since 2008.
post #479 by CDB-Man on 26.02.2021 00:56
Because no one can get their hands on a PS5.post #478 by AmenoHabakiri on 25.02.2021 22:45
post #477 by kentan on 06.01.2021 17:50
That animated part from 2:30 must be one of the most beautiful trailers I've ever seen. Ufotable completely stuns me once again. I have no intention of playing the game, but I, sincerely hope they remake the anime as well!!
Also, if they re-made the original FSN game, that would be something I'd pick up for sure. Even on Switch if I have to!
post #476 by CDB-Man on 01.01.2021 01:44
We can only hope for more...
post #475 by ferian on 31.12.2020 17:26
I wasn't paying attention to the stream so I had not realized what we were seeing for the first minute... and then the tune started playing. I kinda went nuts in a discord chat on hearing that.
I'm glad to see the project is finally moving but at the same time... Consoles only for now. F.
post #474 by Mortsyn on 31.12.2020 16:46
post #473 by greeksot on 30.12.2019 17:29
post #472 by CDB-Man on 30.12.2019 16:40
> Jesus is also dead (crucified, incidentally)
Hmm...
post #471 by ferian on 30.12.2019 04:29
Hmm, so what IS the 1st magic? I read the TM Wiki description... and it basically told me nothing.
It hasn't really figured in any story, and so very little has been said about it. It has "denial of nothingness" as one of its descriptors, ether lumps are somehow related to it, its user has died, he is the only person to earn Barthomelois' respect, there is a Dead Apostle that is given the moniker "Wraith of the First". That's basically it - vague, scattered bits of information with little clarity.
The timeline also implies that the user of the First created Ether, the Imaginary Fifth Element, thus allowing mystery to persist in some form in the new era. However, don't quote me on that; the placement of that statement may be coincidental.
Edit: Oh, and have a passage about the First that I quite like,
post #470 by CDB-Man on 29.12.2019 05:17
post #469 by ferian on 29.12.2019 02:50
Courtesy of the new Case Files Mats. This goes for all of them btw as the various Fate works only start diverging from each other in the 20th century.
960 BC: King Solomon’s death. The Age of Gods end here. The traces of Mystery were supposed to fade from this point on and become reduced to nothing by the point of AD.
The night before AD: The user of the First Magic is Born
00 AD: The remaining magus from the Age of Gods lay the foundation of the Mage’s Association. “Mystery will one day disappear, but let’s preserve the knowledge as an academia.” was their motto(reason to take action). However—
20 AD: The 5th Imaginary Element “Ether” is proven. The New World begins. It was decided that Magecraft and Mystery was to be continued in a different form. The other magus from the Age of Gods shut themselves in the Atlas Temple and the Wandering Sea, and although they did not agree to our motto, we preserved our fellowship as mutual followers of the academy of mystery. This, in future, developed into the Mage’s Association
20~100 AD: The headmaster, along with his associates, work diligently in their activities. Thanks to their work, more people began learning magecraft and the energy(morale) from the Age of Gods began to come back. From around this time, Dead Apostles began appearing in the Magus world(society) and they began attacking mages as they saw them as an enemy(threat).
300 AD: The night in the forest capital, the Battle at the Millennium Castle
It is said…that a battle between the Crimson Moon and the Wizard Marshall Zelretch took place
300~500 AD: In the Western European countries of the Great Continent, the Holy Church begins building up its influence(power). The Mage’s Association decline. The damage from the fight with the Crimson Moon was too deep. The Winter for magecraft begins. The Magus Capitals that the Mage’s Association developed became shut down one by one because of the conflict with the Holy Church. With the Crimson Moon destroyed, Gransurg Blackmore, in despair accepts his own destruction. Even though he raises his own disciples, on that night of the Blue Moon, he is defeated by an Executor who happened to pass by. “I met that person on a night like this. Then a night like this is the time for me to die”.
500 AD: The last remaining True Ether(5th True Element) on the British Island disappears. A group of magus set their headquarters in the British Island. This marks the beginning of the “Clock Tower”
600~900 AD: The Spirit Grave, Albion is excavated. The Clock Tower continues to dig into the depth of Britain and gains an insurmountable asset(fortune) for magecraft. The Clock Tower becomes a light of hope to the declining Magus world and a great number of magus and investors gather.
900 AD: Justeaze, the Holy Maiden of the Einzbern is born. The Third Magic that has been told over 1000 years is finally proven.
1000 AD: The prodigy child Barthomeloi arrives at the Clock Tower. The groundwork for the Aristocratic classes of Magus is formed.
1200 AD: The Clock Tower is now the center of the Magus world. The Monarch system is complete. (At this time there were 12 departments with the Faculty of Policies being one of them)
1400 AD: Zepia is inaugurated to the role of Director. To this day, he is continuing that role.
1600 AD: The way of the Faculty of Policies start to be questioned. It is no longer an academic department. From this point on, it became a separate faculty and the 12 departments became 11 departments.
1800 AD: The Industrial Revolution of Great Britain. It was a painful blow to the magus world but knowledge and technology becoming more complex is a good thing. It was the most damaging form of attack to the Holy Church, who increased it’s influence with its “Singular World View”, so we even supported it. At this point there was an internal conflict on whether to accept this industrial revolution. Later this became the cause of the divide between the Aristocratic Faction and the Democratic Faction. It was impossible to ignore the new genre of Modern Magecraft Theory and it filled the slot of the empty 12th department. However, although it was added as the 12th department, because modern magecraft was looked down upon, this department does not have a lord assigned to it at this point.
1994 AD: Lord El-Melloi dies in a minor ritual called the Grail War in Japan. Seriously?
2004 AD: The follow-up 5th Grail War begins. Rumored that the Third Magic was recreated. Seriously!?
2015 AD: The Grand Order declared in a parallel word.
source: Case Files materials;
translated by: viridian-kingof-kanto (https://viridian-kingof-kanto.tumblr.com/post/189918070344/fate-timeline)
There are a lot of interesting points being mentioned here but one specifically holds a particularly curious implication for me,
Jesus may be the Magician of the First. Just, wow.
post #468 by kentan on 07.10.2019 08:48
https://www.siliconera.com/2019/10/05/type-moons-tsukihime-remake-is-alive-and-kicking-and-currently-undergoing-test-play/
Holy shit, it's alive.
The remake of anime would be sweeet, and at least twice the lenght as original. I sensed a very good story in Tsukihime, but it was cut too short and the execution was not good enough to transcend it to the viewers in all its beauty.
post #467 by CDB-Man on 06.10.2019 01:42
https://www.siliconera.com/2019/10/05/type-moons-tsukihime-remake-is-alive-and-kicking-and-currently-undergoing-test-play/
Holy shit, it's alive.
Maybe we'll see something in the year 4503!
post #466 by Mortsyn on 05.10.2019 22:37
Holy shit, it's alive.
post #465 by kdx0r on 03.08.2019 16:26
post #464 by CDB-Man on 07.01.2019 05:18
Shikata ga nai.
post #463 by ferian on 07.01.2019 03:00
Alas, I can't think of anything at the moment. It's awkward as heck to my ears but conveys the meaning so, eh, I guess it's fine as is.
post #462 by CDB-Man on 03.01.2019 14:51
If you have a better piece of terminology that conveys similar meaning in about as few words, I'd happily swap it out on all the comments.
post #461 by ferian on 03.01.2019 07:37
Not much to say here. That description is sufficient for its purpose, though the wording irks me a bit, mostly the "Nasuverse multiverse" part, which just makes my fingers itch to choke something.