D&D 5E fallout - interest in other systems

After the 5th Edition news came out, I saw something unusual -- people started talking about non-4E systems.

There were several comments that Pathfinder was identified as one of the causes for D&D 4E being viewed as a misstep, and might be worth checking out. Father Dave made an observation in his ruminations of Pathfinder that 3E onwards might have been emblematic of a generational style of gaming: building a character and testing it against the game environment (similar to some CCG players fascination with Magic: the Gathering's deck building aspect). Others have defended the approach of 4E for future generations of gamers.

Other opinions on G+ and the blogosphere tackle how some people prefer OSR game system due to the faster character creation and ease and speed of play, and how WOTC might in fact plunder all these systems released under the OGL licenses to create their upcoming edition.

Finally, someone mentioned that the identified lead developer (which I have not verified at this time) actually worked on the Blue Rose RPG, which was the first (?) True20 system RPG and helped streamline game play and character creation from the original 3E structure.

End result: the announcement of the upcoming edition has stimulated interest on all flavors of D&D, and some of the system variants that came out of the OGL.

Piecemeal System Reviews: Saving Throws in D&D and related systems

First Encounters

To be honest, I didn't hate saving throws at first. D&D was the only RPG I'd ever played, so I figured that saving throws were how you handled certain things.

Sadly, it was the vagueness of what those "certain things" were what initially gave me trouble. Unless it was explicitly stated in the rulebook, I didn't call for saving throws. And because of that it was hard for me to judge when -- in an adventured I'd created -- something would get a saving throw unless such a thing was stated in the monster description, or spell description, or magic item description.

I was very young back then, didn't really get the idea of 'guidelines' as opposed to 'rules', and even when that was brought up, didn't know when you could 'guidelines' something or stick to the rules because the other folks I played with would then attack with very rudimentary rules lawyering arguments.

Failed Save = Death

Eventually, a growing dissonance between the hit point mechanic and the saving throw mechanic emerged in my mind. It was too easy to die by failing a saving throw in comparison to melee combat.

You had two chances to avoid certain death: (1) a botched attack roll; or (2) a low enough damage roll, as opposed to the classic "save vs. poison or die" scenario, where a single die roll decided everything.

It was because of this, and the fact that I didn't really understand when a given saving throw would be applicable ("don't I get a saving throw vs. death every time I'm about to die?" "do I save vs. wands or save vs. magic in this instance?") I eventually began playing to avoid any situations where a saving throw might be needed - but still held the mechanic in contempt.

Departure and Return

Saving throws become a non-issue when I eventually left the system and began my march through many different RPG systems, some of which stayed with me (HERO), some of which I never wrapped my mind around (Cyborg Commando).

Then 3rd Edition happened, and there were only three saving throws -- Fortitude, Reflexes, and Willpower -- which didn't matter so much to me as a simplification, but as a revelation. I finally realized the whole character class + racial bonus/penalty = your chance to avoid something nasty. After that, I had little issue with saving throws as a mechanic.

Expanding on the Saving Throw (M&M, True20, C&C)

I've actually been interested in some of the variants on the saving throw rule since. In particular, I like Mutants & Masterminds / True20 and the way that the extended the saving throw rule to handle damage and eliminate hit points. I also like the way Castles & Crusades extended the number of classic saving throws to six so that there could be a correlation with each stat.

I wonder what other uses this old mechanic has in store in the future?

Coffeeshop Gaming - Part 02 (or is it Part True20?)

It occurs to me that I had forgotten one of the possible options for the simplification of dice rolls: True20.

I'll admit to having a small collection of True20 games, was getting familiar with it, am somewhat interested in some of them and strongly interested in major spliter-offs like Mutants and Masterminds/DC Adventures.

It's just rolling a single D20 for the resolution rolls and effect rolls -- isn't that pretty much my goal?

What caused me to shy away from it? The linear roll stresses me out, really. Not just for the resolution roll, but also for the effect roll. That and the granularity, the narrowness of the effect ranges for damage.

But I do like it, and need to go back to it again.

Although, if we go purely digital, dice isn't really an issue. There are many dice rolling apps out there that speed up dice rolling, keep dice histories, and eliminate the clattering of dice that fall off the table and get lost.