Random set of the day: Sopwith Camel
Posted by Huwbot,Today's random set is 3451 Sopwith Camel, released during 2001. It's one of 2 Advanced models sets produced that year. It contains 574 pieces, and its retail price was US$50/£39.99.
It's owned by 2,420 Brickset members. If you want to add it to your collection you should find it for sale at BrickLink, where new ones sell for around $186.90, or eBay.
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As a person who has an avid interest in history, I wish they would remake these. But it's quite a surprise they exist in the first place. One of Lego's policies is to never make any sets based on war.
Hey, no war in LEGO!
No Snoopy figure. BOOOOO!
@Maxbricks14 said:
"One of Lego's policies is to never make any sets based on war."
Star “wars”.
If I ever get the pieces of mine out of storage, I need to finish cleaning the remains of the stickers off of some of them. Does anyone know of anyone that produces replica Lego stickers? I know of Toyhax (https://toyhax.com/) for replica stickers for Transformers, but does a similar product for Lego?
@AverageChimaEnjoyer said:
"No Snoopy figure. BOOOOO!"
I once thought of trying to MOC a Snoopy figure for mine.
I got to build this one once. I picked up a bulk lot on behalf of someone and this was in it. Very nearly complete too. Not a bad build for it's age.
@AverageChimaEnjoyer said:
"No Snoopy figure. BOOOOO!"
"The news had come out in the First World War
The bloody Red Baron was flying once more
The Allied command ignored all of its men
And called on Snoopy to do it again"
@mnolan99 said:
" @Maxbricks14 said:
"One of Lego's policies is to never make any sets based on war."
Star “wars”. "
And Indiana Jones had representations of military too, but they both come under being "fictional, and fantasy" so they don't count.
@Maxbricks14 said:
" @AverageChimaEnjoyer said:
"No Snoopy figure. BOOOOO!"
"The news had come out in the First World War
The bloody Red Baron was flying once more
The Allied command ignored all of its men
And called on Snoopy to do it again""
A little out of season there, friend
@AverageChimaEnjoyer said:
" @Maxbricks14 said:
" @AverageChimaEnjoyer said:
"No Snoopy figure. BOOOOO!"
"The news had come out in the First World War
The bloody Red Baron was flying once more
The Allied command ignored all of its men
And called on Snoopy to do it again""
A little out of season there, friend"
Well, here in NZ, it's winter!
PSA: You can get a really nice 1:35 (minifig)-scale Sopwith Camel and Red Baron from Cobi.
@Maxbricks14 said:
"As a person who has an avid interest in history, I wish they would remake these. But it's quite a surprise they exist in the first place. One of Lego's policies is to never make any sets based on war."
No _modern_ war. Apparently biplanes are old enough that even centenarian kids aren't likely to recall being shot at by biplanes.
@TheOtherMike:
I actually made a minifig-scale Snoopy wearing an aviator cap (it was easier than giving him eyes and ears), and "flying" his doghouse.
@AverageChimaEnjoyer:
Funny thing is, until I moved across the state, I had _never_ heard that song, so I most closely associate Snoopy fighting the Red Baron with Halloween.
@PurpleDave said:
" @Maxbricks14 said:
"As a person who has an avid interest in history, I wish they would remake these. But it's quite a surprise they exist in the first place. One of Lego's policies is to never make any sets based on war."
No _modern_ war. Apparently biplanes are old enough that even centenarian kids aren't likely to recall being shot at by biplanes.
"
No, Lego version of modern war was from the 20th century and up. (Hence, why we saw the pirates and castles themes, but not a WW2 theme)
This was one of Lego's first large-scale models of real-world vehicles. It looks a little primitive now, but it helped pave the way for all the many wonderful large-scale real-world vehicles we get today in Icons and other themes.
@Maxbricks14 said:
"As a person who has an avid interest in history, I wish they would remake these. But it's quite a surprise they exist in the first place. One of Lego's policies is to never make any sets based on war.
"
They remade it in 2012 (10226).
@iwybs said:
"This was one of Lego's first large-scale models of real-world vehicles. It looks a little primitive now, but it helped pave the way for all the many wonderful large-scale real-world vehicles we get today in Icons and other themes."
https://brickset.com/sets/theme-Hobby-Set
https://brickset.com/sets/theme-Model-Team
@phi13 said:
" @Maxbricks14 said:
"As a person who has an avid interest in history, I wish they would remake these. But it's quite a surprise they exist in the first place. One of Lego's policies is to never make any sets based on war.
"
They remade it in 2012 (10226). "
I know that but I mean another re-make along with the red baron and maybe some WW2 planes as well like the Spitfire.
@Maxbricks14 said:
" @AverageChimaEnjoyer said:
"No Snoopy figure. BOOOOO!"
"The news had come out in the First World War
The bloody Red Baron was flying once more
The Allied command ignored all of its men
And called on Snoopy to do it again""
That's from the sequel. I think you mean:
Ten, twenty, thirty, forty, fifty, or more
The bloody Red Baron was rolling up the score
Eighty men died trying to end that spree
Of the bloody Red Baron of Germany.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icsHJhMeXYo
@watcher21 said:
" @iwybs said:
"This was one of Lego's first large-scale models of real-world vehicles. It looks a little primitive now, but it helped pave the way for all the many wonderful large-scale real-world vehicles we get today in Icons and other themes."
https://brickset.com/sets/theme-Hobby-Set
https://brickset.com/sets/theme-Model-Team"
Yep, those too!
Never got this, did however get a Nerf one...no foolin', came out around the same as 'Nerf Man'(look 'im up:))
Oh, also had a "Sopwith Snoopy" with a die-cast wagon (and a plush regular Snoopy...and Garfield...yes, I was fan of newspaper comics as a kid, even Doonesbury...although I thought Bloom County was better there:))
@Maxbricks14 said:
"No, Lego version of modern war was from the 20th century and up. (Hence, why we saw the pirates and castles themes, but not a WW2 theme)"
You're probably not old enough to remember this, but this version of the Sopwith Camel was produced under the LEGO Direct subsidiary, which was an experimental offshoot of the main company that developed their online sales, and really helped get the D2C market off the ground, with sets like this. They had an unusual amount of freedom, so that probably played into their ability to bring both this, and the Red Baron's tri-plane, to market.
The other two versions of this plane (10226, 40049) were released 96 years after WWI ended. The last confirmed WWI veteran had just passed away earlier that year, and the last combat veteran the year before (both at the ripe old age of 110). Even kids who were old enough to really understand what war was about would have been few and far between by 2012.
What I've heard is that the "no military" ban is primarily about making sure that nobody who experienced war firsthand would ever be confronted with a toy that brought back memories of that war. I don't think that trench warfare will ever be far enough removed to be allowed, but WWI air combat was treated almost like being mounted knights in medieval Europe. Maybe not this one, but the next two were mainstream releases. By your understanding, neither of those sets should have ever been produced, and yet they were.
Weird. I was just watching a video about the Fokker DR.1.
I thought about getting this at the time, but didn’t have room in our tiny one-bedroom apartment to display it. And I somehow missed out on the re-release, though honestly we didn’t have much more room by then, either.
@brick_r said:
"Never got this, did however get a Nerf one...no foolin', came out around the same as 'Nerf Man'(look 'im up:))
Oh, also had a "Sopwith Snoopy" with a die-cast wagon (and a plush regular Snoopy...and Garfield...yes, I was fan of newspaper comics as a kid, even Doonesbury...although I thought Bloom County was better there:)) "
I found them.
https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/unused-vtg-1976-nerf-classic-fighter-51066698
https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/vintage-1976-nerf-classic-fighter-3787349710
https://www.flickr.com/photos/jasonliebigstuff/5236017460
I don’t think most people who call out LEGO’s perceived “double standards” care about their values. I assume they want LEGO to ditch them entirely.
@TheOtherMike said:
"If I ever get the pieces of mine out of storage, I need to finish cleaning the remains of the stickers off of some of them. Does anyone know of anyone that produces replica Lego stickers? I know of Toyhax ( https://toyhax.com/ ) for replica stickers for Transformers, but does a similar product for Lego?
@AverageChimaEnjoyer said:
"No Snoopy figure. BOOOOO!"
I once thought of trying to MOC a Snoopy figure for mine."
Brickstickershop ( https://www.brickstickershop.com/ ) has recently been mentionned in my pirate forum, the user seemed satisfied with clear stickers for his 6278
I haven't used it myself.
@Maxbricks14 said:
"As a person who has an avid interest in history, I wish they would remake these. But it's quite a surprise they exist in the first place. One of Lego's policies is to never make any sets based on war.
"
Number
10226-1
Name
Sopwith Camel
saw other comments...
@TheOtherMike said:
"If I ever get the pieces of mine out of storage, I need to finish cleaning the remains of the stickers off of some of them. Does anyone know of anyone that produces replica Lego stickers? I know of Toyhax (https://toyhax.com/) for replica stickers for Transformers, but does a similar product for Lego?
@AverageChimaEnjoyer said:
"No Snoopy figure. BOOOOO!"
I once thought of trying to MOC a Snoopy figure for mine."
Yeah those STAMPs are a pain. I have two copies of this set, both good (one for sale). I consider myself fortunate to not have the flaking and peeling.
@mnolan99 said:
" @Maxbricks14 said:
"One of Lego's policies is to never make any sets based on war."
Star “wars”. "
I get the intention of this argument, however one could argue, that Star Wars is fictional.
What isn't fictional war in Lego are all the Castle themes tho.
I got this set from my grandparents when it was new. Over the years, the stickers peeled off, and a layer of dust formed. I actually finished fully cleaning this plane last week, and gave it fresh (replica) stickers. After restoring it like that, it's still a great looking thing.
@TheOtherMike said:
"If I ever get the pieces of mine out of storage, I need to finish cleaning the remains of the stickers off of some of them. Does anyone know of anyone that produces replica Lego stickers? I know of Toyhax ( https://toyhax.com/ ) for replica stickers for Transformers, but does a similar product for Lego?"
I used brickstickershop, https://www.brickstickershop.com/Replacement-Sticker-for-Set-3451-Sopwith-Camel , based in the Netherlands. Vinyl stickers that seem to be of really high quality, with a ton of 'sets' available.
A great set, back when lego was good.
@PurpleDave That rule is so stupid. 1. There are heaps of military toys, documentaries, books, and real artefacts around. It's insane to think some very elderly person is going to walk into a lego store, see a model Lancaster bomber and get all upset.
I understand them not making a whole WW1 or WW2 theme, but aircraft models like this should be okay.
As others have said they remade a Sopwith Camel in 2012. They already broke their own dumb rules. I also recall on IDEAS there were some First World War aircraft (with guns) that had been posted so were obviously allowed via the rules.
That's before we even get to star WARS. It's funny, I struggle to find things in star wars that DON'T breach lego's rules.
Oh and to return to the first point: Model aeroplane is apparently going to upset people who lived through the War, yet depictions of actual Nazis (including a realistic Luftwaffe uniform in 2023 that wasnt even necessary) is fine....
Cool set, but I spot a severe lack of Biggles.
Great set, but boy did those stickers disintegrate. I scanned mine, but have yet to bother figuring out a way to print new ones.
Great set, horrible STAMPs. Anyone remember the box? Unlike most of its contemporary Legends boxes it was in color and showed a beautiful blue cloudy sky. It was surreal to see this one years after it released in a toy store. That just seemed to happen more often back then because lego wasn't selling nearly as well as it does now.
I‘m happy to own 10226. Brought me out of my Dark Ages!
I'd like to see a midsized Creator set that uses a biplane as the primary model. Maybe a less fantastical version of 70429. Plenty of sets that include one, but often in a simplified form next to other builds or as a compromised B model. Nowadays it would be great to see what current bricks and techniques could make it.
I flew single engine fighters in the Air Force, but this plane has four engines. It's an entirely different kind of flying, altogether.
@kdu2814 said:
"I flew single engine fighters in the Air Force, but this plane has four engines. It's an entirely different kind of flying, altogether."
It's an entirely different kind of flying!
@TheOtherMike said:
" @Maxbricks14 said:
" @AverageChimaEnjoyer said:
"No Snoopy figure. BOOOOO!"
"The news had come out in the First World War
The bloody Red Baron was flying once more
The Allied command ignored all of its men
And called on Snoopy to do it again""
That's from the sequel. I think you mean:
Ten, twenty, thirty, forty, fifty, or more
The bloody Red Baron was rolling up the score
Eighty men died trying to end that spree
Of the bloody Red Baron of Germany.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icsHJhMeXYo "
There are four Snoopy / Red Baron songs.
Snoopy Vs. the Red Baron, The Return of the Red Baron, Snoopy for President, and Snoopy's Christmas.
The Red Baron is featured in all four.
@Brickchap:
I don’t make the rules. I just strive to understand them…with varying degrees of success (though, to be fair, the Osprey proves they have trouble with this as well). And one issue that was pointed out to me is that Denmark is one of the countries that was invaded and occupied in WWII. While Kjeld Kirk isn’t old enough to remember that, his father and grandfather certainly were.
And they’ve already addressed Star Wars, which is considered fantasy.
@Murdoch17:
Of course he is. Snoopy has, to my knowledge, never fought anyone else besides the Red Baron.
@kdu2814 said:
"I flew single engine fighters in the Air Force, but this plane has four engines. It's an entirely different kind of flying, altogether."
There's one in the nose, but where are the other three? Edit: I get it now, thanks.
Aviation enthusiast trivia:
The several cylinders make up one rotary engine, not to be confused with a radial engine. In a rotary engine, the entire engine rotates around a stationary crankshaft, rather than a rotating crankshaft inside a fixed engine. It's demonstrated in the operation of 31011, interestingly enough. It helped with cooling, spinning the engine through the surrounding air, but the gyroscopic effect of a large spinning mass led to stability and control problems during accelerations and turns.
@tne328 go watch Airplane!, a documentary about the only jet in history that sounded like a propeller plane!
Bought this one in a black and white box in 2001 from Lego online and absolutely loved it!
Then some years later the colour box version was on sale for € 20, and widely available. Those were the days...
I like the color scheme and the gritty look of the older model. 10226 looks to clean, more like a restored version of the real thing.
@Trigger_ said:
"I don’t think most people who call out LEGO’s perceived “double standards” care about their values. I assume they want LEGO to ditch them entirely."
Yeah, I often get a feeling that people think Lego is somehow obligated to make modern military sets and uses their policy as an excuse to wiggle out of it.
@WizardOfOss: Surely you're...no, no...not goin' down that road today...:D
@Miyakan: Thank you for finding those...Ah, I remember a time when Nerf was more than dart and squirt guns...Hmm....kinda' like they became 'the anti-Lego'...yet both have: Fortnight, Transformers, Star Wars...weird :|
@WizardOfOss said:
" @tne328 go watch Airplane!, a documentary about the only jet in history that sounded like a propeller plane!"
Surely you can't be serious!
@brick_r : yes, I am always happy to go down that road ;-)
I am serious. And stop calling me Shirley!
@tne328 said:
"I'd like to see a midsized Creator set that uses a biplane as the primary model. Maybe a less fantastical version of 70429. Plenty of sets that include one, but often in a simplified form next to other builds or as a compromised B model. Nowadays it would be great to see what current bricks and techniques could make it."
31076 is the most recent one I can think of.
@tne328 said:
"I'd like to see a midsized Creator set that uses a biplane as the primary model. Maybe a less fantastical version of 70429. Plenty of sets that include one, but often in a simplified form next to other builds or as a compromised B model. Nowadays it would be great to see what current bricks and techniques could make it."
As an aviation buff who has both that set and 31076 (which @Miyakan mentioned) on his wanted list, I would love that. How about something like a Beech Staggerwing? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beechcraft_Model_17_Staggerwing
@tne328 said:"Aviation enthusiast trivia:
The several cylinders make up one rotary engine, not to be confused with a radial engine. In a rotary engine, the entire engine rotates around a stationary crankshaft, rather than a rotating crankshaft inside a fixed engine. It's demonstrated in the operation of 31011, interestingly enough. It helped with cooling, spinning the engine through the surrounding air, but the gyroscopic effect of a large spinning mass led to stability and control problems during accelerations and turns."
Yeah, this plane in particular had so much torque that a two-hundred-seventy -degree turn to the right was quicker than a ninety-degree turn to the left, if memory serves.
@Andrusi said:
" @Trigger_ said:
"I don’t think most people who call out LEGO’s perceived “double standards” care about their values. I assume they want LEGO to ditch them entirely."
Yeah, I often get a feeling that people think Lego is somehow obligated to make modern military sets and uses their policy as an excuse to wiggle out of it."
Honestly, in my opinion, it’s just pretty funny when LEGO bends, or just outright breaks, their rules. Nothing more.