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there’s death of the author and then there’s whatever the fuck is up with danny phantom
Look, I am not a violent person. I am a Danny Phantom fan who will gladly, 100%, given the slightest opportunity will wake up from terminal exhaustion to go throw hands with Butch Hartman behind a Waffle House.
... Wait do the newer fans even know why?
... Wait. The newer fans probably don’t know why.
*deepbreath* OKAY SO.
It’s the mid-2000s and I’m living my best live as a Danny Phantom fan. The type of fan that’s absolutely having a lot of fun actively supporting the show as it airs, who found Butch Hartman’s Official Forum along with a couple of smaller Danny Phantom fan forums. Who read lots of fic on fanfiction.net as it was happening, as well as looking at the fanart on DeviantArt.
Remember that this was before AO3, before Tumblr, before Facebook.
The Butch Hartman forums were a main source of fandom content: We shared official media from ways to watch the show legally to early fan-run transcripts to art by Butch and others who worked on the show.
And. Heh. Remember: Danny Phantom premiered in 2004. Gay marriage wasn’t legal anywhere in the U.S. until over a month after the show premiered, and then it was only in Massachusetts. Remember that! The entirety of DP’s run ended in 2007, and we only got nationwide gay marriage in 2015.
I no longer have receipts, but by 2006, Butch Hartman, and the woman he’d chosen as an administrator for his forum, were both being extremely homophobic towards fans who had gay Danny Phantom ship.
I was legit friends with the admin at this point. Zcat6 was the username she went by, but I’ll call her Z. I had absolutely no direct contact with Butch Hartman himself, but I interacted with Z on a daily basis, and while she eventually proved to me that she was both an asshole and a liar, I had no reason to disbelieve that she was representing Butch’s opinions wrongly on his Official Forums, the ones linked to his Official Website and such, that he made Official Butch Hartman Announcements on.
Zcat6 was the admin of the Butch Hartman forums (BHF) as well as one of the main Danny Phantom centric fanrun forums, the Danny Phantom Online Forums (DPOF).
I was 17 years old when she made me a mod of the DPOF. My friend whom I’ll call AP, who was later revealed to be years younger than me, was also made a mod of the Butch Hartman forums the same year. (When it came out that AP was literally 14 years old, she and Z had a Discussion and AP was restricted to modding just the Role Play forum sections. Now that we’re both in our 30s, AP and I have literally had the conversation that we were both much to young for these responsibilities.)
(ALSO NOTE: this was, in retrospect, a HELL of a red flag. Do NOT accept online responsibilities when you are literally unable to sign a legal document for yourself, folks.)
Anyway, fan behavior is fan behavior, and slash pairings are inevitable in fandom. In the early 2000s they were almost more inevitable than they are today!
Heh. So. This is when BH and Z start showing their asses, with a policy that fans who post M/M fanworks of Danny Phantom characters would be banned from Butch Hartman’s forums. Z followed it up by also enforcing it on the DPOF, where I will remind you: Butch didn’t own the site or anything, that was all Z. (Note that F/F works would probably have gotten the same treatment and it was probably written in the policy that way, I no longer remember. But they were so much *less common* I genuinely do not remember encountering any in these years.)
Cue about 18 months of baby Chroma, under a fanname long abandoned in the wake of This BULLSHIT, arguing repeatedly with Z that, uh, hey, this wasn’t cool. Especially as Z turned it into her own fucking crusade, but that’s another... *phew* That’s another dump truck full of bullshit I don’t want to shovel out tonight.
Throughout all of this, by the way, Butch Hartman is very hands off with the running of his Forum, and trusts most of it to Z. I never actually discovered how Z got this job, btw, but she was more than willing to march to these orders.
Every single argument I had about this policy with Z ended with her saying that she was simply respecting Butch Hartman’s wishes for his characters.
Baby Chroma had learned of Death of the Author by this time, and had her early Feminist leanings honed by being a Tamora Pierce fan and her first fan forum being Sheroes Central (woot woot) and was like: “Okay but you have this exception for this person where they post all their queer stuff under an entirely different username than they use on the forums and don’t have the two associated with each other, why don’t you at least offer fans that option when you ban them?” (she never did)
Because, you see, another big part of the argument, for Z, was to Protect the Children - because it wasn’t *just* that you couldn’t post M/M fan content on the BHF or DPOF... if you posted any queer fanwork featuring Butch Hartman’s characters, anywhere on the internet associated with your username, you were in violation of the forum rules and could be (and often were) banned.
Remember how I said Z turned it into a crusade? yeah, the lady literally was on a witch hunt for these people. Again. Dump Truck. Bullshit. Not shoveling tonight.
I’m often disappointed in Baby Chroma for putting up with that bullshit for so long, to be honest. I don’t remember the forums name, but the other big DP forum of the day, that wasn’t run by Zcat6, did not have this poilcy and did not put up with Z’s BS, and while Baby Chroma didn’t click well with the people on it back then, I regret not defecting to it and having fun with them.
And well, when I found out that Butch Hartman was an evangelical christian type.... lets just say I wasn’t surprised, by that point.
So. I left the DPOF in early 2010, after the show ended, a somewhat traumatized mess, in retrospect, after literally all the modstaff got fed up with Z’s bullshit and quit at the same time and then were banned by Z within fifteen minutes for the next fifteen years, and I literally couldn’t look at any Danny Phantom fancontent for almost a decade due to, what in retrospect I know to be, literal PTSD symptoms.
And I was delighted to see, when I was able to come back to the Phandom, that the Queers had both taken over and were continuing to raise their middle fingers high in Hartman’s direction.
Because fuck you, Butch. Whatever you said to Z, whatever you did, you actively enabled her witchhunt, and her harm towards me and the other queer kids on those forums was REAL. You wanted to shove all of us back into the closet, to shame us into being normal kids.
I never got to see a Trans!Danny when I was an active fan the first time around, when I was in high school and college. I never got to see Gay!Danny or Bi!Danny or Poly!Danny. You robbed me of that, in ways I can’t get over.
Danny Phantom isn’t Butch Hartman’s anymore. It hasn’t been for years. It’s ours, and to give it back to him is a victory he doesn’t deserve.
Chroma, thanks so much for sharing this bit of DP history. I knew the forums were a bit of a shitshow but I didn't know just how much. It sounds like Z wanted to get in her Lord and Savior Butch Hartman's good graces and got a huge powertrip from it.
As a queer person myself, it's no wonder that so many of us resonated with the show (hiding from parents/society who could destroy you, being a "freak" etc). I'm sorry you went through everything, but we're glad to have you back in the fandom. There are so many wonderful art/fics/headcanons and it makes me so happy to be a part of it.
i think Paulina from danny phantom is the older Trixie tang
I wouldn’t be surprised
Woah woah woah, that means
whA T
HEADCANON ACCEPTED
Can we please not forget about this?
Wait then what if
i cannot accept this
and..
been a bit busy wit things and whatnot so took few days off from finishing me dan’s chronicle from art blog, but tomorrow’s gonna finish it for hours trust
based on these :
Werewulf of Amity Park🐺💚
Go buy Danny Phantom Fair Game❌♥️👻
❌Spoiler free review of Danny Phantom Fair Game❌
I've never felt SO IN LOVE WITH A BOOK! this is exactly what America needs right now, the weight of villainizing an entire marginalized group of people, handling the consequences, and where you draw the line on "humanity". I hope this book inspires alot of us to do the right thing, because we need to be there for each other now more than ever to make a change for the better 💚
(in my opinion, I thought this book was very anti ice, which is why I drew Wulf shredding an ice bag and net, but I think most of the world can agree that's a very, very good thing to be against)
You can FEEL the 5 years put into these graphic novels, so thank you, let's hope for more soon 🫶🔥
I'm also REALLY happy Danny is helping both Ghosts and humans, rather than shoot first, ask questions never, very important character growth for days like these 🙂↕️💚
AAAAAAAAA OMG THIS LOOKS AMAZING!! THIS MIGHT BE THE BEST FAIR GAME FANART I’VE EVER LAID MY EYES UPON THIS MONTH 💜🩵💙💚👻
Awee 🥺🥹 that means so much! I poured my heart into this piece, just wait until I post my next wallpaper soon 🫥👻 it'll be just as fantastic
Commissions on Artistree
Hey y'all, I have an Artistree page where you could look it up and see infos about my commission types and prices. I hope y'all would love to commission me and I get to draw more arts ❤️
i feel like micro-ice from galactik football (and the show itself) would hang out with danny phantom a lot because they’re both :
- 14-15
- short
- spiky cool dark hair
- funny and always have cool comebacks
- blue eyes black hair
- teen angst (but hide it because they don’t wanna let their friends and family down tho)
- always positive and optimistic!!! 🥹 so cute
- loves sport (physical ghost fights are considered sport)
- in the world where they could do those sports with magical and technological powers (especially since they rely to them)
- their teams (danny got his best friends, older sister, and few ghost allies) are dragged into world-destruction threats fiasco and they contribute to stop them (micro-ice’s best friend’s dad is literally a runaway vigilante space pirate king who fights oppressive space legion foes and the legion as a whole, man’s pirates literally fight whole ass galaxy military force, and mice loves to help them in their adventures)
- in love with their best friend but not admit it (danny and sam, and idc if it’s not canon mijok is real)
- have affinity to ice (danny literally got ice core power, micro ice got The Breath of Akilian)
- have evil creepy frootloopy manipulative and cunning rich villain(s) who the public doesn’t know are actually evil because they’re considered as very respectable public figure in society (vlad, bleylock, harris)
- love triangle once with a girl and their best friend
- vigilante (micro ice with the pirates)
- always want to make their friends happy and not let them down
- in which it kinda puts lots on their shoulders at the pressure
idk what else to put here but i just love them both and i think they should meet each other lol
just a heeeaaads up that some of these art commission scammers are upgrading their technique
they will now actually take notes of things that really happened in your fic, they make it sound personalised and genuine, but there's a way they talk that feels weirdly artificial, there's always a vague mention of some 'ideas' they have, if it raises your hackles trust those instincts and tread carefully, because ultimately-
they will ALWAYS LEAD YOU TO A SECONDARY LOCATION
suddenly changing up their writing style is a big red flag, wanting to take you off platform to some other site showcasing their 'art' is an even bigger red flag, REAL ARTISTS DO NOT DO THIS
no matter how genuine they sound, trust NOBODY advertising their art in your comment section, trust NOBODY who wants to take you off platform, NEVER go to that secondary location
STREET SMARTS!
The only time someone should be mentioning their fanart in your comments section is when they are
A. Asking if they can draw fanart of the fic
Or
B. Telling you they drew something for the fic and where to find it
Also, be aware that there are bots going around accusing people of using ai in their fics, those are AI bros being mad they were called out about scraping ao3 and other art sites, don't pay attention to them.
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important additions
the AI brobots will usually say something about some discord blacklist they've put you on so people will know not to touch your work, it's all bullshit, there is no list, don't believe a word of it
This is happening on FF.net as well, just a heads up.
The usualy pattern is someone following you or your story, then immediately dropping a gushing comment about one of your fics and finishing with 'I have so many ideas, please message me on (PM, insta, discord, whatever).
These are all scams. I'm so sorry to any newer or younger writers who are seeing what seem like genuine, really lovely comments, but you can't trust any of them.