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Satantango
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“One morning near the end of October not long before the first drops of the mercilessly long autumn rains began to fall”, I’ve finally decided to crack this book opened. And I’ve been rapidly consumed by the swirl of its language, atmosphere and its characters. The bunch of desperados, all of them one buy one resurfacing from murky nothingness, sculptured by language trying to surround me and drag into the the opaque non-existence of their quite real world.
And yet, though undeniably the characterisation of this novel is darkly-brilliant, what kept me turning the pages was the language and the stylistic variety of its registers. The author could play with his sentences; he could imbed a dreadful pathetic speech into the text that would still be meaningful; he could create a whole vignette contrasting a passionate figurative Volapük of the one of his characters with bureaucratic dry lingo of a state; and he would make it in a such a way that it is absurd, but it is perfectly credible at the same time and grotesquely funny.
His prose is very cinematic. He changes the perspectives, swiftly moves between the scenes, zooms into details, then - out again; he uses noises and music for effect. I am not surprised that the film by Béla Tarr based on the novel has become iconic. And that is in spite of lasting 7 hours and been shot in black and white. One does not need colours in that world. The first few chapters are quite disorienting as you are going head first into the atmosphere and it is tricky to work out what is going on around you. So you have no choice but keep reading, almost watching. This is as well a good for cinema.
As with any good book it would be quite reductive to talk about separate themes. You cannot split the whole into bits without losing something. But the main take for me was his rendering or power as a concept. It seems to be intrinsically important for the characters. It seems each of them consciously or subconsciously crave for it. For them the power is directly associated with the degree of freedom they have achieved. The power and freedom is almost equivalent. At the same time, it seems that they all accept the existence of a hierarchy without any challenge: they crave for some sort of authority which would relieve them from the responsibility to be free. Power brings some freedom to control the destiny of someone weaker; to decide whether to forgive or to punish; to be a saviour or a destroyer. But ultimately, in this system it would be always someone above you who would exercise his freedom on you not share it with you.
In the most powerful episode of the book, a little girl deprived of any love and care exercises her freedom to deal with her cat as she pleased - just to see who is more powerful. Just to establish that she can.
A doctor, in the name only though, desperately tries to fight the laws entropy:
“the best he could do was to use his memory to fend off the sinister, underhanded process of decay, trusting in the fact that since all that mason might build, carpenter might construct, woman might stitch, indeed all that men and women had brought forth with bitter tears was bound to turn to an undifferentiated, runny, underground, mysteriously ordained mush, his memory would remain lively and clear.”
He also carves out a tiny island of order through arranging a small number of physical objects on his table, but letting everything else in his house to decay. Eventually, he finds his unique way how to exercise a certain power over other people too: “I can control the flow of events around me using nothing more than the words.” Writing!
Irimias, a swindler, or is he a saviour? In any case, he possesses almost unlimited power over the group of villagers. They would happily intrust him their lives. And they actually do so. But does this power makes him free or at least fearless? No. He is even more trapped than they are. He needs to serve the system above him. Moreover, in this system of hierarchies eventually it should be a something absolutely free with absolute power. Therefore, it should be God, but if not him? If “God was a mistake”, then this absolute is simply nothing. So according to Irimias, “We think we’re breaking free but all we’re doing is readjusting the locks. We’re trapped, end of story.”
So any power is meaningless at the end in that world: “in truth he was as helpless as they were, he no longer hoped to lend meaning to the power that was strangling him as much as it was them, could not free himself from it.” Any power is indeed meaningless if it is distributed in such a way that it is used solely with purpose of grabbing more freedom at the expense of others.
To some extent, this novel is an antithesis to Don Quixote. Like aforementioned Don, Irimias is almost always on a journey accompanied by the sidekick who is awkward, simple but more cautious and pragmatic character sincerely devoted to his lord. Cervantes’s knight of sad countenance imagines miracles where there are none, and by fighting for this imaginary reality he creates it for real. In contrast, Irimias, when faced with a proper miracle, rejects it. He explains it in a way that his imagination simply played a trick on him:
“It’s only our imaginations, not our senses, that continually confront us with failure and the false belief that we can raise ourselves by our own bootstraps from the miserable pulp of decay. There’s no escaping that, stupid.”
Don Quixote’s imagination would make a Dulcinea out of a peasant girl. Through his imagination he would find a way to love, almost worship ordinary people.
The world of this book is on the contrary full of contempt for the folk. Well, at least for the characters presented in the novel. And yes, they are not the most likeable bunch. They are the ones left behind (does this expression remind you of something?) Left behind literally in their case on the remote ruined estate. They could not adapt as some other managed to. They did not leave and now they stuck with little opportunity apart from the bar and dreams of escape to the brighter future.
Irimias does not mince his words in respect of them:
“They are slaves who have lost their master but can’t live without what they call pride, honor and courage. That’s what keeps their souls in place even if at the back of their thick skulls they sense these qualities aren’t their own, that they’ve simply enjoyed living in the shadow of their masters . . .Then, wherever the shadow falls they follow, like a flock of sheep, because they can’t do without a shadow..”
The Doctor gently refers to the same people as “these moronic nincompoops”.
VS Naipaul starts his novel A Bend in the River with the phrase:
“The world is what it is; men who are nothing allow themselves to become nothing, have no place in it”.
Reading Santatango, I was constantly coming back to this sentence in my mind. And if not anything else, this novel has again made me think about this. Is it actually true? To which extent Don Quixote is right? To which extent Naipaul or Irimias is right? And does the existence of these people, “nincompoops”, lead to the emergence of such Irimiases on the top of the social ladder, Irimiases who gain power, constantly hungry for more, ready to kill for it eventually if required? How do Don Quixote and Irimias co-exist?
I wish to believe Don Quixote was somewhere on the right track. But the reality intervenes. And when I see Russian soldiers being summoned into the country by their master, gruesomely murder and rape civilians and run from Ukraine with stolen washing machines and toilet sits in their hands; when I see a man attacking the husband of an older female politician with a hammer to “make America great again”; when I see how young girls are met with the bullets on the street of Iran, fighting for their right to be free… Well, then I start reluctantly to side with Naipaul because those who are potentially “slaves who cannot do without a shadow to follow”, who “allowed themselves to become nothing” might suddenly become very dangerous. “The world is what it is”…
But the remainder of an idealist in me still cries for hope. And compared to the reality this book even might be considered somewhat reassuring. At least, there is a big element of black humour that saves the day. There is element of perseverance as well even if redemption is not on the table.
And I finished the book, and I thought about it for a few days, and I opened my laptop, and thought a bit more; and then I began to type: “One morning near the end of October not long before the first drops of the mercilessly long autumn rains began to fall…”
And yet, though undeniably the characterisation of this novel is darkly-brilliant, what kept me turning the pages was the language and the stylistic variety of its registers. The author could play with his sentences; he could imbed a dreadful pathetic speech into the text that would still be meaningful; he could create a whole vignette contrasting a passionate figurative Volapük of the one of his characters with bureaucratic dry lingo of a state; and he would make it in a such a way that it is absurd, but it is perfectly credible at the same time and grotesquely funny.
His prose is very cinematic. He changes the perspectives, swiftly moves between the scenes, zooms into details, then - out again; he uses noises and music for effect. I am not surprised that the film by Béla Tarr based on the novel has become iconic. And that is in spite of lasting 7 hours and been shot in black and white. One does not need colours in that world. The first few chapters are quite disorienting as you are going head first into the atmosphere and it is tricky to work out what is going on around you. So you have no choice but keep reading, almost watching. This is as well a good for cinema.
As with any good book it would be quite reductive to talk about separate themes. You cannot split the whole into bits without losing something. But the main take for me was his rendering or power as a concept. It seems to be intrinsically important for the characters. It seems each of them consciously or subconsciously crave for it. For them the power is directly associated with the degree of freedom they have achieved. The power and freedom is almost equivalent. At the same time, it seems that they all accept the existence of a hierarchy without any challenge: they crave for some sort of authority which would relieve them from the responsibility to be free. Power brings some freedom to control the destiny of someone weaker; to decide whether to forgive or to punish; to be a saviour or a destroyer. But ultimately, in this system it would be always someone above you who would exercise his freedom on you not share it with you.
In the most powerful episode of the book, a little girl deprived of any love and care exercises her freedom to deal with her cat as she pleased - just to see who is more powerful. Just to establish that she can.
A doctor, in the name only though, desperately tries to fight the laws entropy:
“the best he could do was to use his memory to fend off the sinister, underhanded process of decay, trusting in the fact that since all that mason might build, carpenter might construct, woman might stitch, indeed all that men and women had brought forth with bitter tears was bound to turn to an undifferentiated, runny, underground, mysteriously ordained mush, his memory would remain lively and clear.”
He also carves out a tiny island of order through arranging a small number of physical objects on his table, but letting everything else in his house to decay. Eventually, he finds his unique way how to exercise a certain power over other people too: “I can control the flow of events around me using nothing more than the words.” Writing!
Irimias, a swindler, or is he a saviour? In any case, he possesses almost unlimited power over the group of villagers. They would happily intrust him their lives. And they actually do so. But does this power makes him free or at least fearless? No. He is even more trapped than they are. He needs to serve the system above him. Moreover, in this system of hierarchies eventually it should be a something absolutely free with absolute power. Therefore, it should be God, but if not him? If “God was a mistake”, then this absolute is simply nothing. So according to Irimias, “We think we’re breaking free but all we’re doing is readjusting the locks. We’re trapped, end of story.”
So any power is meaningless at the end in that world: “in truth he was as helpless as they were, he no longer hoped to lend meaning to the power that was strangling him as much as it was them, could not free himself from it.” Any power is indeed meaningless if it is distributed in such a way that it is used solely with purpose of grabbing more freedom at the expense of others.
To some extent, this novel is an antithesis to Don Quixote. Like aforementioned Don, Irimias is almost always on a journey accompanied by the sidekick who is awkward, simple but more cautious and pragmatic character sincerely devoted to his lord. Cervantes’s knight of sad countenance imagines miracles where there are none, and by fighting for this imaginary reality he creates it for real. In contrast, Irimias, when faced with a proper miracle, rejects it. He explains it in a way that his imagination simply played a trick on him:
“It’s only our imaginations, not our senses, that continually confront us with failure and the false belief that we can raise ourselves by our own bootstraps from the miserable pulp of decay. There’s no escaping that, stupid.”
Don Quixote’s imagination would make a Dulcinea out of a peasant girl. Through his imagination he would find a way to love, almost worship ordinary people.
The world of this book is on the contrary full of contempt for the folk. Well, at least for the characters presented in the novel. And yes, they are not the most likeable bunch. They are the ones left behind (does this expression remind you of something?) Left behind literally in their case on the remote ruined estate. They could not adapt as some other managed to. They did not leave and now they stuck with little opportunity apart from the bar and dreams of escape to the brighter future.
Irimias does not mince his words in respect of them:
“They are slaves who have lost their master but can’t live without what they call pride, honor and courage. That’s what keeps their souls in place even if at the back of their thick skulls they sense these qualities aren’t their own, that they’ve simply enjoyed living in the shadow of their masters . . .Then, wherever the shadow falls they follow, like a flock of sheep, because they can’t do without a shadow..”
The Doctor gently refers to the same people as “these moronic nincompoops”.
VS Naipaul starts his novel A Bend in the River with the phrase:
“The world is what it is; men who are nothing allow themselves to become nothing, have no place in it”.
Reading Santatango, I was constantly coming back to this sentence in my mind. And if not anything else, this novel has again made me think about this. Is it actually true? To which extent Don Quixote is right? To which extent Naipaul or Irimias is right? And does the existence of these people, “nincompoops”, lead to the emergence of such Irimiases on the top of the social ladder, Irimiases who gain power, constantly hungry for more, ready to kill for it eventually if required? How do Don Quixote and Irimias co-exist?
I wish to believe Don Quixote was somewhere on the right track. But the reality intervenes. And when I see Russian soldiers being summoned into the country by their master, gruesomely murder and rape civilians and run from Ukraine with stolen washing machines and toilet sits in their hands; when I see a man attacking the husband of an older female politician with a hammer to “make America great again”; when I see how young girls are met with the bullets on the street of Iran, fighting for their right to be free… Well, then I start reluctantly to side with Naipaul because those who are potentially “slaves who cannot do without a shadow to follow”, who “allowed themselves to become nothing” might suddenly become very dangerous. “The world is what it is”…
But the remainder of an idealist in me still cries for hope. And compared to the reality this book even might be considered somewhat reassuring. At least, there is a big element of black humour that saves the day. There is element of perseverance as well even if redemption is not on the table.
And I finished the book, and I thought about it for a few days, and I opened my laptop, and thought a bit more; and then I began to type: “One morning near the end of October not long before the first drops of the mercilessly long autumn rains began to fall…”
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For a more positive outlook on the world I would suggest reading Seiobo There Below, probably my favorite book by the Hungarian master.
You've inspired me to crack open my own copy of Satantango which I seem to have been avoiding doing up until now. Before November is out maybe...
For a more positive outlook on the world I would suggest reading Seiobo There Below, probably my favorite book by the Hungarian master."
Thank you, Daniel. I am not currently after the positive outlook on the world:-) and that actually was not too bad. It raised many questions which are always in the air to some extent. Next is "Melancholy of resistance" for me. But I know about Siobo and his conversation with Buddhism and metaphysics. I tried it around 5 years ago and strangely it did not fly for me. But I am a different reader now, so the time will come to revisit.
Thank you very much, Somali. He is quite interesting author in general. It has won I think the same price as "Tomb of Sand", but I cannot be more different book though.
Thank you, Jennifer. I hope you will enjoy reading this book. Well, it is pretty dark in the subject matter and quite metaphorical, so maybe "enjoy" is not totally the right word:-) But i think it is worthwhile your attention. His style is pretty special.
Thank you, Fionnuala. And that is at least partly you to blame:-) And partly Anna:-) you inspired me to write such a long piece after our catch ups here last week. it has added wind to my wings:-)
It is surprising how quickly this book reads considering subject matter and the language - long sentences. Everyone who is familiar and loves this author compares it to Beckett. But I have not read Beckett. For me the obvious undertones were of course Dostoyevsky with "Am I a trembling creature or have the right?". But I did not want to go that way. For you I can say that it reminded me Sasha Sokolov's "Between the Wolf ..". This one is much less intertextual, but the attention to atmosphere, the disorientation and certain other tricks are definitely there. It would be great if you read "Santatango". We would be able to talk about it properly.
And Don Quixote - yes. I've had that comparison in mind for some reason. This is of course much more compact; I am not sure where I got somewhere with this comparison, but the contrast between these characters was for me there, their view of the world. And "Panza" here is a minor character, but very well done.
There is one more small thing I wanted to bring up with you, but after you read it. So I look forward to your thoughts impatiently:-)
I have a gut feeling then - you would like it, Jennifer. It is dark but with a lot of nuance:-)
Thank you, Anna! And I am properly grateful you pushed me over the line with Mr K. I am so glad you did - without you it would take me a few more years and lots of not that worthy books occasionally:-) Yes - the last line - you are probably the only one who would get it - and I am glad you commented on this:-) I could not resist:-)
You are so wise about the relationship between freedom and power! I cannot agree more. And both of them should be accompanied with responsibility ideally. We all keep repeating "power corrupt" and "freedom comes with responsibility". But how many of us actually know what it means not to be free in basic sense. I think people who were free for generations take it a bit for granted. It always gets me upset when an occasional friend here in the UK says something within the lines that for example "maybe the model of China regime is exactly suitable for the Chinese people while it would not be suitable for the West". I do not know what to answer normally as they would not get it I think. But I have a feeling that they would say something like that about the world Mr K has rendered in this novel and its suitability for his characters.
But I am glad you are writing reviews again.
Thank you, Emily. I like that - "veer madly between the dark outlook and quixotic". I hope your quixotic stage is normally more active:-) But yes, it is difficult not to veer. I think for this one Dostoyevsky is probably helpful while Don Quixote - for me it was somehow helpful juxtaposition with the one of the character's story. But it is just the one of the possible multitude of readings.
And Naipaul - well, for me he is much darker than this book. He is too real, almost journalistic while this could be read as an allegory let's say. Having said that, if you decide to start with Naipaul A House for Mr Biswas is wonderful and more hopeful than his later works. And he writes great sentences.
Good luck with Dostoevsky. How is Mobi Dick btw?
Moby Dick is moving along slowly. I'm determined to finish it and Crime and Punishment before Christmas though! I can't have two 500 page books hanging over my head in the new year!
Oh, good luck:-). But if I would be allowed a little bet, you will deal with Crime&Punishment fairly quickly. Behind all those existential questions, in essence it is a crime novel and quite pacy. (Fun fact: “an old hag” in the plot is allegedly 44 years old! - those where the days!)
That's such a horrible thing to say, I agree. If we apply that to personal relationships, the insane conclusion would be that abuse is maybe "exactly suitable" for the person living in an abusive relationship, while it would not be suitable for an emotionally healthier person...
I understand that those arguments acknowledge undeniable cultural differences and I agree that indeed there are such cultural differences. And I also maintain that no one should be denied the right to submit themselves to whoever they want - but usually in abusive settings, whether personal or political, submission is not voluntary but compulsory. Therein lies the difference.
I also think no political power should have the right to enforce a certain cultural model on culturally different people. Of course, often the oppressed don't realize they are oppressed. But before they can be released, some form of dialogue needs to be established with them, that does not subject them to the trauma of leaving the evil they know for the good that they do not know. A common language that helps them gradually understand what good is. No savior can save you unless he is a bit like you.
I may be wrong.
This is such a sensitive topic and all of it applies to personal relationships, as well, I think.
And about 10 hours ago i wrote a fairly lengthy thought based on your words:
"slaves who cannot do without a shadow to follow”, who “allowed themselves to become nothing” might suddenly become very dangerous
and then we lost our electricity - and my words evaporated...and now, power restored (there's that damned word again) i seem to be unable to find that shadow to follow.
But thank you - as always for taking my mind on a journey, dear Katia, woman of endless languages and all the magic that holds.
I understand that those arguments acknowledge undeniable cultural differences and I agree that indeed there are such cultural differences. And I also maintain that no one should be denied the right to submit themselves to whoever they want - but usually in abusive settings, whether personal or political, submission is not voluntary but compulsory. Therein lies the difference.
Thank you, Anna - exactly this! I cannot agree more and you put it into the words perfectly. No cultural differences could be used to infringe on fundamental human rights. I've written that and than realised that there are those people and politicians could consider that there is no such concept as well:-( I also feel your comparison with the domestic violence is totally apt. There is a lot to think about here.
Thank you again for your getting me to read this novel and also for your wonderful profound thoughts on the subject. I find this discussion properly inspiring in spite of the darkness of the subject matter.
And about 10 hours ago i wrote a fairly lengthy thought based on your words:
"slaves who cannot do without a shadow to follow”, wh..."
Dear Dianne, thank you very much for writing all those words and thoughts that I would not be able to read and those ones that I've managed to read since power came back. Yes, this word seems to be everywhere and tries to define us, but I am sure you and I and many others would not be its silent victims in any sense of the word:-)
Thank you very much for your comment, Rakesh. I totally agree.
Indeed, Jannifer:-) I look forward to your thoughts when you have a chance to read it.
Thank you, dear Ilse. How interesting you remember spotting Canneti on the shelves with such title when so young! This book for me was not as bleak as many people say. There were a few cruel episodes I have to mention, but it did not feel gratuitous and not much compared to our daily news. But it is beautifully written and atmospheric work. I hope you would read it and we talk a bit more.
As far as Naipaul’s view, or rather the view of his character, I find it hard to share, but equally I find it hard to dismiss. I think I am little confused at the moment:-) But such here you come and I have your comment, and yes it is not all that desparate at all:-)