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The Women by Kristin Hannah
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Kristin Hannah's upcoming release, The Women, left me in a severe love-hate conundrum. I can only give it three stars, an average of the five stars it deserves for the parts set in Vietnam and the one star it deserves for the backstories and romances.

I loved the section of the book set in Vietnam. This part of the book was well-researched, action-packed, and took me as close as I wanted to be to a combat medical evacuation unit. Vietnam War literature has not covered the nurse's perspective much, so I especially valued this content. The Vietnam writing was gritty and sometimes challenging to read but written very well (trigger warnings for some readers, though, so be forewarned).

However, the book chapters preceding Frankie's tour in Vietnam were slow and plodding. Frankie seemed devoid of personality - a cardboard caricature of "the good girl." I came close to DNFing the book before it even took off. The last half of this overly long book covered Frankie's return home and her struggles with PTSD. Aspects of these sections had decent content, covering the abysmal treatment of returning vets, the complete dismissal of women serving in combat zones, and the range of issues Vietnam Vets had adapting to life back home.

All good, but then there were the intertwined romances and backstories, and these were, in my opinion, just horrible. I've watched soap operas with more feasible plot lines. I don't want to include spoilers, but there were way too many times I rolled my eyes in dismay. It wasn't even that the romance aspect was too swoony (people familiar with my reviews know I have a low tolerance for swooniness), but the plot devolved into the ludicrous. The ridiculousness of some of the events in Frankie's relationships detracted from the seriousness of the rest of the story. Given the book was almost 500 pages long, much of this could have (should have) been edited out.

Some details in the book's second half would have benefitted from better research. As written, they detracted from the good parts of the story and came off as just plain lazy. It's small stuff, but it piled up and was sometimes so frustrating I wanted to give up reading. Here are a few of my issues (that won't give away the plot). First, one nurse friend wants to be a veterinarian. OK, good for her, but in the late 1960s, few women were getting into vet school and, indeed, were mostly blocked from becoming large animal vets as this woman aspired to (I am a veterinarian, and vet school did not open broadly to women until the early 1980s). So this friend comes home from her tour in, I think, March and enrolls in vet school during the middle of the school year because, of course, a nurse can just do that without taking any prerequisites or entrance exams or even applying. Then this same friend, more than once, drops everything, including vet school, to fly out at the last minute and spend weeks helping Frankie, who is dealing with one melodramatic romantic crisis after another. Because you can do that in the middle of vet school with no apparent repercussions. This isn't the vet school I remember. And what regular folks just flew around the country on a whim in the 1960s? Flying was a big deal then, not done on a day's notice. Later in the book, a character living in rural Montana decides to become a clinical psychologist and does so while living in rural Montana because they have so many clinical psychology programs (yes, this is sarcasm).

I understand I am an outlier here, but I'm also not alone in my criticisms of the non-Vietnam aspects of the novel. You'll enjoy the book if melodrama, lack of historical accuracy, and telenovela-level romances don't bother you.

Thanks to NetGalley for providing me with an eBook version of the novel in return for a review.
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Reading Progress

November 12, 2023 – Started Reading
November 12, 2023 – Shelved
November 12, 2023 – Shelved as: 2021-i-didn-t-buy-it-this-year
November 12, 2023 – Shelved as: historical-fiction
November 12, 2023 – Shelved as: netgalley
November 12, 2023 – Shelved as: region-us
November 12, 2023 – Shelved as: region-asia
December 11, 2023 – Finished Reading

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Jess Svajgert Just finished reading this and echo your take. I couldn’t put this down during the part set in Vietnam but it became a chore to read once Frankie came home.


Bluemoon I agree with most of what you said. The romances were out of control. I also would have liked at least an epilogue to expand a little on the final scene. I thought it ended too abruptly.


Jill Miclean "Frankie's relationships detracted from the seriousness of the rest of the story." That's exactly how I felt.


Kyra With 100 pages to go, your first paragraph says everything I’m feeling. Thank you for your review!


Sandra The Old Woman in a Van Kyra wrote: "With 100 pages to go, your first paragraph says everything I’m feeling. Thank you for your review!"

You are welcome 🤗


Carla Cox Your first paragraph is spot on! I think I’m finally done with KH. The cliche romance in her books weakens female characters who only achieve full happiness and potential from a found-lost-found love.


Sandy Papas Completely agree with everything. And not one but both loves interests didn’t die after all. It was like Mills and Boon meets China Beach. My Dad was a Chopper pilot in Nam and I was so disappointed by this book


message 8: by Molly (new) - added it

Molly Spoiler Alert: When a book’s facts aren’t accurate I have a hard time because then question how much, if any of it, is true. I’m only a little into the book and Frankie’s brother has just died. She’s saying now that she’s enlisted (just like that), that it’s a fate accompli that she must go to war. Actually no - if a sibling has died the remaining siblings are assigned stateside. It was determined in WWII that a mother had given enough after having given one son. And that family should be left an heir. Happened to my father who served during Korea in Kansas after his brother was captured and MIA. And no he (unlike others in this) never came back. I may DNF this one.


Sandra The Old Woman in a Van Molly wrote: "Spoiler Alert: When a book’s facts aren’t accurate I have a hard time because then question how much, if any of it, is true. I’m only a little into the book and Frankie’s brother has just died. She..."

I missed that inaccuracy - thanks for pointing it out. And I'm sorry about your uncle.


Lindsay L Sandra - I completely agree with your review!! We sit at the outlier table together! I rolled my eyes every time the girls jumped on a plane overnight to be with Frankie the next morning. To me, that isn’t even feasible nowadays, let alone back then. And the romances were laughable. (I am not a romance reader and swooniness turn me off too 😆). Thanks for your review! It clearly explains how I feel with some excellent examples. Hope you love whatever you pick up next! ❤️


Rachel Such melodrama! Good points!


message 12: by Beth (new) - rated it 4 stars

Beth I had the same thoughts regarding both the availability and affordability of air travel during the late 60s/early 70s. Especially for women who, until 1974, couldn't even have their own credit cards or bank accounts in the US.

In addition, I think it's fairly unrealistic that a VA medical center would completely turn away a woman seeking treatment, essentially saying she's lying when she says she served in Vietnam -- when her service records would plainly be available to them proving that she did serve.


Emily Weinheimer I had a real problem with how often Barb and Ethel were jetting out to help Frankie. It seems completely unrealistic that they could drop their lives so many times, and afford to buy plane tickets so many times. Also did Frankie not become close to any of the nurses in her second tour?


Sandra The Old Woman in a Van Emily wrote: "I had a real problem with how often Barb and Ethel were jetting out to help Frankie. It seems completely unrealistic that they could drop their lives so many times, and afford to buy plane tickets ...". Seriously! At that time in our history flying someplace was not a casual endeavor.


Shane I’m not even halfway through and I’m TIRED of the lame romances. I gave this book a shot and I am not impressed. The melodrama absolutely took me away from the very serious and important work Frankie was doing. *sigh*


message 16: by Beth (new) - rated it 3 stars

Beth Did anyone catch that she turned 21 and was just legal drinking age? The drinking age in the USA in the 60s was 18.


Larisa Weimer Many of the groups I’m in praise books that are meh to me. I feel like it stems from a dumbed down society. They don’t know their expectations are subpar which makes it worse.


Nicole Twigg Spot on review! I am also a veterinarian and had many of the same scruples! And as a graduate of Virginia Tech (whose school didn’t get established until the late 1980s), I really got mad when they set the story near Charlottesville in UVA territory. Our rivals and does NOT have a veterinary school! I agree completely with loving the story in Vietnam, honoring the nurses, and story of women I have never heard before. I agree completely with the predictable, dramatic romance plot lines. What’s your next read or some of your favorites?


message 19: by Dee (new) - rated it 4 stars

Dee You nailed it. I did bump it to 4 b/c I liked the Vietnam part so well, but agree with all of your complaints about the second half.


Sandra The Old Woman in a Van Beth wrote: "Did anyone catch that she turned 21 and was just legal drinking age? The drinking age in the USA in the 60s was 18."

Good catch- I should have noticed as I was an 18-year old legal drinker.


Sandra The Old Woman in a Van Larisa wrote: "Many of the groups I’m in praise books that are meh to me. I feel like it stems from a dumbed down society. They don’t know their expectations are subpar which makes it worse."

I'm sorry you are having that experience. I get a lot of my recommendations from Modern Mrs Darcy and find them pretty good.


Sandra The Old Woman in a Van Dee wrote: "You nailed it. I did bump it to 4 b/c I liked the Vietnam part so well, but agree with all of your complaints about the second half."

Thanks for commenting!


Sandra The Old Woman in a Van Nicole wrote: "Spot on review! I am also a veterinarian and had many of the same scruples! And as a graduate of Virginia Tech (whose school didn’t get established until the late 1980s), I really got mad when they..."

Well, hello fellow Veterinarian! Now that we are friends you should be able to see my 5 star books. I read across many genres and challenges so if you share your favorite genres I'll try and make some recommendations. I would suggest Kwame Stewart's memoir What it Takes to Save a Life. He's a veterinarian who works in my city and was a CNN hero this year.


Danielle While I totally agree that the second half of the book was much slower, I think a lot of it was purposeful in showing the real, raw trauma these veterans came home with, and came home to. Especially as women. A lot of these veterans never recovered and showing the repetitiveness of poor choices and the rollercoaster of being ok then being a mess over and over again is real to what these people experienced coming home.


Danielle So sorry just wanted to add one more thought. I feel like the second half of the book is making you, the reader experience the infuriating hamster wheel that is the lived experiences and PTSD of these veterans. Even down to the dysfunctional relationships, it’s all stemming from the trauma.


Sandra The Old Woman in a Van Danielle wrote: "So sorry just wanted to add one more thought. I feel like the second half of the book is making you, the reader experience the infuriating hamster wheel that is the lived experiences and PTSD of th..."

Thanks for your insights, Danielle. I thought the trauma aspect of the story good - I am very drawn to trauma-related books. I am always trying to learn more about trauma-effects -- I have a large family, mostly made up of adopted children who are chronic trauma survivors. So I get all that. What bothered me are the non-trauma plot lines -- two past lovers coming back from the dead, the things she describes that couldn't happen (all the friends flying everywhere to her rescue). It was difficult to parse out the junk from the good stuff in the second half and, to me, it lessened the impact of the PTSD storyline. The Vietnam and Vietnam vet aspects of the book were 5 stars for me - the other stuff was a miss. But I am an outlier on this book. I try and give people enough information in my reviews to help them decide if a book is for them or not.

My favorite trauma-author is Catherine Ryan Hyde, BTW. I often think, "What would a CRH character do? say?"

Again -- thanks for engaging -- I love book discussions.


Jaime Angell I was thinking the same thing about how quickly, easily, often they flew to California!


PookyGurl Totally enjoyed AND agreed with your assessment of this book. I too wondered how the two friends could just drop everything and fly out to be with Frankie.
I wish I could do that.


Clare I agree that the first half of the book was really interesting and engaging. The second half was so all over the place up and down that I kept forcing myself to finish it. By the time I was nearing the end, I really didn't like the character of Frankie. Chatter after chapter of and melodrama and it just never stopped. Half of it could've been cut out and been better for it. The whole situation with Rye was ridiculous and the last scene that ended the book was where I would've liked it to have had more. I gave this a three star as well because of the ups and downs and the fact that it was a struggle to finish.


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