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Stoner by John  Williams
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did not like it
bookshelves: spurned, feces, misery-loves-company, much-ado-about-nothing, nyrb

I was going to start out this review of Stoner by feigning comic incredulity that the former conductor of the Boston Pops wrote a novel about potheads, but that is far, far too obvious and unsatisfying even for the likes of me. Instead, I am going to confess that I read only half of it (and, thereby, my ignorance has been properly disclaimed) but that this aborted reading filled me with such unmitigated contempt for the author that I plan on mounting every soapbox (if soapboxes haven't been technologically obviated by now) from here to the Great Barrier Reef condemning this plodding, tiresome, amateurish book with an antagonistic passion that literature hasn't evoked in me since Cambridge's A Concise History of France (wherein concision meant excising significant historical events in favor of agricultural data and a dimly Marxist perspective, but I digress -- as always).

I shouldn't blame John Williams for my rising blood pressure because in fact YOU are to blame. Yes, you. Perhaps not individually, but in the general sense of Goodreads voters and reviewers, of which you are presumably a constituent. As of this moment, Stoner has an average rating of 4.39 stars out of five on the basis of 531 Goodreader ratings. This is a remarkable score, to be sure, but as with many averages, it is complete and utter bullshit -- obviously contaminated by the spurious opinions of the ardent fans of graceless, tedious prose. You know who you are.

Let's parse the data, shall we? 459 people gave this turd four or five stars; whilst only eleven people were courageous enough to call a spade a spade and, against the grain of general opinion, to award it only one or two stars. I consider these eleven people heroes. You and your ilk can eulogize the armed forces, the pigs, the schlubby, mustachioed rescue workers, with your tearful montages of wars, standoffs, and celebrity house fires, all assembled to the reactionary tunes of 3 Doors Down or Nickelback; I prefer a subtler form of heroism -- you know, the lone voice who amid the Russophilic, ostentatiously intellectual acclaim for Bulgakov's The Master and Margarita dares to raise an eyebrow at this dry Goethe wannabe...

I therefore am a great hero because, fighting the insidious cabal of 'respectable' opinion, I offer my head to the rabble in order to warn you what a lifeless stinkbomb Stoner is. John Williams, I suspect, was an author who was better suited to actuarial work or fumigating. Something more prosaic. His main problem is that he wants desperately to tell you everything. He's adamant that you know this or that about his main character William Stoner's psychological make-up, habits, and proclivities, but unfortunately he'd rather put Mr. Stoner behind a glass wall at the zoo and recite a bunch of vague adjectives and banal activities relevant to him. In placing Stoner in the zoo and preparing a dry summation about him, he deprives Stoner of life, abbreviates him into a concept...

This is one of the worst kind of all writers, in my opinion. He's committed to telling us and not to showing us. He wants to control your attitude toward the characters by completely demystifying them. Williams lays everything on the table, as if he's handing you a psychological abstract. More than a few times, I wished that John Williams were not dead and were ready-at-hand, so I could give him a chocolate swirlie. And then I pulled back in my condemnation for a moment... I rethought my rage... There are literally jillions of shitty writers on this planet, and a not-insignificant number have had their works published. Why should I blame John Williams for having a dream -- a grand ambition? I wish for nothing less myself. The intended repository for my rage and general ill-will should be those who have applauded this crapfest -- the ones who've elevated it to the status of minor classic of 20th century American literature.

The straw which broke the etc. came midway through the book when Stoner's wife, until then a mousy, retiring, sickly sort, adopts a new attitude after the death of her father. She bobs her hair (it's the 1920s) and throws out her old clothes and buys some of those shapeless flapper-type shifts, and -- more consequentially -- she declares war on her husband. The psychology might as well be written in neon. She resents the dull (and not very affluent) academic life her husband provides. The switch is so abrupt and ridiculous that all of the author's explanations and expositions do nothing to make it palatable, even in his stubbornly distanced and abstract telling. I've read better character development when we got in small groups to discuss our first stories in Creative Writing 101.
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David Oh, by the way... if anyone on my friends list wants this book -- despite my warnings -- let me know. It's yours.


brian   this is one of your funniest reviews.
great stuff.

of course in a month's time it'll be deleted along with your newest incarnation so i'll savor it while i have the chance.


message 3: by David (last edited Jan 02, 2010 04:42PM) (new) - rated it 1 star

David You'll be lucky to get a month... I'm ephemeral, mystical, changeable, volatile... batshit...

And to those who claim I'm a vote whore, let it be remembered that I chose to lose 1700 votes last week. And I posted my first real review under my new account on a holiday weekend... which, as everyone knows, is a time of vote famine.


message 4: by Jessica (new)

Jessica Let it be known that I voted in A Time of Vote Famine.


message 5: by M (new)

M Vote whores are always saying they don't care about votes.

Yet you vote whores are also very practiced at the art of vote-getting. 'Cause this is one hot friggin' review, baby.


message 6: by brian (last edited Jan 02, 2010 05:39PM) (new) - rated it 4 stars

brian   vote getting attributes:

1. the tearing down of a lauded classic
2. multiple pop culture references
3. drug reference
4. reference to goodreads and goodreaders
5. derogatory reference to loathed pop/indy bands
6. breaking of the fourth wall
7. cussing
8. general tone of irreverence

it's also a damn good review.
but that, of course, is irrelevant when going a'vote huntin'!

(you should've addressed goodreaders by name and possibly referenced a beloved cult 80s action film... be in the stratosphere by now!)


message 7: by David (last edited Jan 02, 2010 05:46PM) (new) - rated it 1 star

David 9. post reviews on weekdays/workdays (preferable mornings)
10. space out review postings by at least a couple days; do not saturate the marketplace
11. include photos, drawings, diagrams, charts, graphs, youtube links
12. describe how the book made you tearful/apoplectic/disoriented/homicidal
13. befriend vote sluts
14. REVIEW TWILIGHT
15. create an online reputation of extreme emotional instability so that Goodreaders believe that your very survival depends upon their magnanimous bestowal of votes


message 8: by brian (last edited Jan 02, 2010 05:52PM) (new) - rated it 4 stars

brian   fucking genius.





message 9: by David (last edited Jan 02, 2010 06:00PM) (new) - rated it 1 star

David Elizabeth wrote: "I liked your analysis of the ratings, but all the ratings are skewed. They don't take into account, I am sure, the statistically significant portion of the book reading (or just goodreads-reading) ..."

Yeah, ratings are skewed. A case could be made that mostly people predisposed to reading Stoner would like it in that it's 'literary fiction' and published by NYRB -- which nets a specific reading audience right there... but still. I've heard/read a lot of ejaculatory praise for this book that I can't at all reconcile with what I read. This is literally the biggest disconnect I've ever experienced between my opinion of a book and the critical/public response to it. (Another prime example of this would be Thomas Wolfe's You Can't Go Home Again. An execrable 'classic' that sounds as though it were written by a seventeen-year-old boy with scarlet fever.)




message 10: by brian (last edited Jan 02, 2010 05:56PM) (new) - rated it 4 stars

brian   i wasn't attempting a complete list, davey, merely the vote-getting methods you employed.

a complete list would be fun.
draw one up, gothboy.
not like you have anything better to do.



message 11: by David (last edited Jan 02, 2010 06:02PM) (new) - rated it 1 star

David Alas, my salad days are over...

My way of life has fall'n into the Sere, the yellow leaf...


Ask Ben Harrison (a.k.a. Satan) for the definitive list. I think he's mastered point number 16 -- quid pro quo: vote for them and they'll vote for you.

I'm too idealistic/meritocratic (i.e., petty) to roll that way though.


message 12: by Jessica (new)

Jessica Not like Frankie in Yorba Linda! LOL. He'd roll that way


message 13: by David (new) - rated it 1 star

David Frankie had no integrity... What a bastard.


message 14: by Eh?Eh! (new)

Eh?Eh! 13. befriend vote sluts

I came sluttily crawling to you, but vote-sluttery is the only piece of select gristle I can offer, sigh.

You never did review Twilight, which supports your denial of being a vote whore.


message 15: by Jessica (new)

Jessica Frankie was a fun guy. Rather unstable though...



message 16: by Jessica (new)

Jessica Eh!
You never did review Twilight, which supports your denial of bein..."


but that is the only point out of 15, so...


message 17: by David (new) - rated it 1 star

David In Loving Memory of Frankie Fichte of Yorba Linda...


(If this review is still here a year from now, even I won't remember what this is about.)


Chris I received only one book for Christmas. This one. Now I can't wait to see if I'm a hero or not.


message 19: by David (new) - rated it 1 star

David Chris wrote: "I received only one book for Christmas. This one. Now I can't wait to see if I'm a hero or not."

Holy shit. That's like getting a lump of coal. You were very bad in 2009.




message 20: by David (last edited Jan 02, 2010 06:18PM) (new) - rated it 1 star

David 17. if you notice your review isn't performing well, float it to the top of the feed by making a small change or by commenting on the thread yourself


message 21: by David (new) - rated it 1 star

David 19. offer to perform oral sex for votes (why do you think brian votes for all of mine?)


message 22: by Jessica (new)

Jessica 20. make a list especially pertinent to garnering votes on Goodreads


message 23: by Jessica (new)

Jessica actually 20 might backfire...


message 24: by David (new) - rated it 1 star

David 21. create fake accounts to vote for your own reviews


message 25: by Jessica (new)

Jessica I mean, why is this review still at only 9 votes??


message 26: by David (new) - rated it 1 star

David Several reasons:

1. Holiday weekend.
2. I don't have that many friends anymore.
3. Account deletion backlash.
4. Vote whoring backlash.
5. Vote fatigue.


message 27: by David (new) - rated it 1 star

David Okay, I gots me writin' to do... I can't nurse this bitch of a review all night... Sooner or later, it's going to have to spread its wings and take flight on its own... or sink to its grisly demise in a deep, dark chasm...



brian   #27 - it's only b/c of the timing.
it'll be in the mid-20s by monday night.


message 29: by Jessica (last edited Jan 02, 2010 06:33PM) (new)

Jessica you forgot to take Windchill Advisory into account.

edit: this was in response to 28.


message 30: by David (last edited Jan 02, 2010 06:50PM) (new) - rated it 1 star

David Before I go...

I want to point out that brian is now the #4 all-time REAL Goodreads reviewer ('REAL' meaning not romance, which is stupid shit written by machines and doesn't count). He is #11, if you factor in all those crap-factory reviewers, like Isis FG, Shawna, Auntee, and -- the greatest threat now to the status quo -- this 'Book Huntress' woman. (More like Vote Huntress. It's almost like Joe Kennedy is bankrolling her campaign she's climbed so quickly.)

This is not good enough. Vote for that stupid gay kike so he can shove a few of these schlockmeisters down-at-heel where they belong. Don't do it for him, and don't do it for me... Do it for the sorry state of literary fiction in America today! You are obligated as an American to vote for his reviews, and those of DFJ and karen... Now that I bowed out of the rankings, the field is being crowded by hacks, dimwits, and blurb-writing machines! Put a stop to this, while you still can!


message 31: by Manny (new)

Manny Ha! That was very funny. And while we're all dissing romance reviewers and trading votes, anyone want to look at my review of Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy?


message 32: by karen (new)

karen dunno about some of your theory, w/r/t flooding the market. the only reason i am up there is because i write a review nearly every day. i don't get as many votes per review - this one you wrote today is kicking the ass of the one i wrote today (snif) - but i write a lot... something to consider when you write your goodreads.com handbook.


message 33: by Manny (new)

Manny Karen, we all just feel envious of your success. Of course, if I had your job and could walk over to the humour shelf any time I wanted to find some amusing piece of nonsense to review, then you'd soon see, etc, etc...


message 34: by brian (last edited Jan 03, 2010 04:38AM) (new) - rated it 4 stars

brian   karen - you have a solid base of insta-voters.

david does as well and would garner a few votes per review were he to review every day... but not nearly as many as you.

on the flip side -- if you were to review once a week that single review would yield a much higher vote intake.

(david spent weeks drawing up the perfect mathematical formula.)


message 35: by karen (new)

karen oh, manny- i don't have time to read at work - no way. wish to god i did. sure, i see them at work and then i acquire them, but i have to read in my home like everyone else. the humor section is two whole floors beneath me! i could never leave my section long enough to go down there and browse - you have no idea what wold happen if i turned my back but i am sure you have books you read before that you haven't reviewed - that's what i do a lot- just review old shit as the whim strikes me. and the "success" for what it's worth is just being goal-oriented; like david, i did not like those romance ladies being our representatives. so - nose, grindstone etc.

as far as "instavoters", which word i have always hated, for the record. there aren't that many - nowhere near david's (understandable) following. i just have work friends and my dad. (hi dad!) there are 8. the rest come and go, but i really don't get high numbers on my reviews, it's just the twelves add up. but i'm not going to argue with david's formula, i am just observing. go make more math!


message 36: by Manny (new)

Manny Karen, do you expect me to believe that the person in the famous YouTube video isn't you? I've watched more times than I can count as you ignore the customers while methodically turning a whole shelf of books into reviews which your army of robotic devotees immediately vote for. Deny it if you will.

I'll be back with more wild accusations after I've taken my pills and lain down for a while. My doctor was very specific about that.



message 37: by karen (new)

karen hahhaah that first part does sound like me... and as david already knows, i do have a potential relationship to the small wonder actress, so i may be part robot.

shit. secret is out.


message 38: by [deleted user] (new)

UGH. I hated peer evaluating in Writing 101. Yuck.

I will never read this book. It sounds dumm.


message 39: by Bram (new) - rated it 2 stars

Bram Yes, yes, yes. This is what I like to come back to when I take GR hiatuses/hiati (does 2 days count?).

I especially like the Master & Margarita slight. Sometimes I daydream that this small vocal group of M&M haters on Goodreads has affected this book's reputation, even just a tiny bit.


message 40: by Joshua Nomen-Mutatio (last edited Jan 04, 2010 07:06AM) (new)

Joshua Nomen-Mutatio


Joshua Nomen-Mutatio Elizabeth wrote: "18. Tell funny, tangential personal stories that have nothing to do with the book."

That's just a given. That's the very definition of "review" on Goodreads.


message 42: by David (new) - rated it 1 star

David Your pic in 43 ain't showin' up, Joshie.


Joshua Nomen-Mutatio Really? I see it. It's karen's robotic-kin.


message 44: by M (new)

M Nope. Maybe you have a superspecial browser.


Joshua Nomen-Mutatio How's that?


message 46: by M (new)

M Works now. It's a picture of Red Buttons as a hobo, right?


message 47: by Joshua Nomen-Mutatio (last edited Jan 04, 2010 07:14AM) (new)

Joshua Nomen-Mutatio brian wrote: "2. multiple pop culture references
3. drug reference
4. reference to goodreads and goodreaders
5. derogatory reference to loathed pop/indy bands"


Someday David will reign as the King of References. Until then:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlykr-...


message 48: by David (new) - rated it 1 star

David From the New York Review Books' Facebook update yesterday:

New York Review Books Discuss Stoner at Word bookstore in Brooklyn next month. If you haven't read Stoner yet, know that it may just be our an all-time reader favorite.

This just goes to prove what I've always suspected. Readers are morons. And I hate them.


message 49: by David (new) - rated it 1 star

David I wish. But I doubt it. A lot of people do love this short-bus book for reasons I can't decipher.


message 50: by Matt (new) - rated it 5 stars

Matt Walker The utter stupidity of this review is beyond belief. Learn how to read.


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