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This Book Is Gay
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Just to make that clear for people liking (and commenting on) this review:
I did NOT give this book two stars because I think there is anything wrong with being part of the LGBTQIA+/MOGAI community.
I gave it two stars because it claims to be inclusive but for the most part only covers issues that people who are gay/lesbian (and stick to binary genders and all the expectations society brings with them) have to deal with. I gave it two stars because I don't consider this book to be very inclusive, especially when it comes to non-binary people and/or those who are not gay or lesbian (i.e. bi or pan or ace or ...).
So please refrain from commenting when all you intend to do is to suggest I read queerantagonistic books. Don't like this review. I'm not on your side, I don't agree with you and I honestly don't need your prejudices in my life.
What I liked.
It's an uplifting book. One message repeated over and over again is: "Whoever you are, that's fine!" Plus, there are lots of sections especially young people might find very useful - coming out, who to tell, how to tell, sex, STIs ... So, thumbs up for that.
The BUT. It's a very big one.
You're fine with that book if you're a gay boy/man. You got Grindr explained and are directly addressed throughout the whole book.
If you're a lesbian girl/woman, it's ... okay. You won't get to know what the lesbian equivalent of Grindr is and mind you, dental dams are more important than Juno Dawson makes them seem to be, but otherwise it's okay. I guess.
Any other identities ... well, you get the definitions for "bisexual", "queer", "curious", "asexual" and "transgender", but the one for bisexuality is extremely narrow and excludes most bisexual people, and if you're hoping for the acknowledgement of non-binary genders, you got the wrong book. Generally, the author often refers to differences as "gay or straight" (though not always) and lists any issues any sexual orientations other than homosexuality face as homophobia.
Maybe Dawson wanted to simplify things. Maybe, but it doesn't make it right. And it doesn't explain this constant use of "men and women".
What is particularly confusing is that there seem to be moments of light. E.g. after repeatedly implying that gender = genitals, it is mentioned that there is more to men than just penises or that not having any surgeries is fine ... only to continue as before. What irks me the most about it is that stuff like this is toxic. It's telling people: You're either a boy or a girl and if you want to "become" the "opposite" gender, then you need a penis or a vagina. Mentioning that this isn't actually true once or twice doesn't erase what has been spread before.
Another passage is also rather telling. On page 214 it says:
Apparently, mentioning and defining asexuality at the beginning is enough and you don't have to acknowledge them again.
So what now?
The title is actually quite telling. This book is gay - and binary. And parts of it are great! But seeing that it even spreads misinformation when it comes to genders and some sexualities ... well, I can't recommend that.
People have been asking for alternative titles you might read instead. I haven't read it yet myself, but The ABCs of LGBT+ has been recommended in the comments and it does sound great.
I did NOT give this book two stars because I think there is anything wrong with being part of the LGBTQIA+/MOGAI community.
I gave it two stars because it claims to be inclusive but for the most part only covers issues that people who are gay/lesbian (and stick to binary genders and all the expectations society brings with them) have to deal with. I gave it two stars because I don't consider this book to be very inclusive, especially when it comes to non-binary people and/or those who are not gay or lesbian (i.e. bi or pan or ace or ...).
So please refrain from commenting when all you intend to do is to suggest I read queerantagonistic books. Don't like this review. I'm not on your side, I don't agree with you and I honestly don't need your prejudices in my life.
What I liked.
It's an uplifting book. One message repeated over and over again is: "Whoever you are, that's fine!" Plus, there are lots of sections especially young people might find very useful - coming out, who to tell, how to tell, sex, STIs ... So, thumbs up for that.
The BUT. It's a very big one.
You're fine with that book if you're a gay boy/man. You got Grindr explained and are directly addressed throughout the whole book.
If you're a lesbian girl/woman, it's ... okay. You won't get to know what the lesbian equivalent of Grindr is and mind you, dental dams are more important than Juno Dawson makes them seem to be, but otherwise it's okay. I guess.
Any other identities ... well, you get the definitions for "bisexual", "queer", "curious", "asexual" and "transgender", but the one for bisexuality is extremely narrow and excludes most bisexual people, and if you're hoping for the acknowledgement of non-binary genders, you got the wrong book. Generally, the author often refers to differences as "gay or straight" (though not always) and lists any issues any sexual orientations other than homosexuality face as homophobia.
Maybe Dawson wanted to simplify things. Maybe, but it doesn't make it right. And it doesn't explain this constant use of "men and women".
What is particularly confusing is that there seem to be moments of light. E.g. after repeatedly implying that gender = genitals, it is mentioned that there is more to men than just penises or that not having any surgeries is fine ... only to continue as before. What irks me the most about it is that stuff like this is toxic. It's telling people: You're either a boy or a girl and if you want to "become" the "opposite" gender, then you need a penis or a vagina. Mentioning that this isn't actually true once or twice doesn't erase what has been spread before.
Another passage is also rather telling. On page 214 it says:
However, all people - gay or otherwise - must recognize that there is one universal truth of the universe:
WE ALL WANT TO HAVE SEX WITH LOADS OF PEOPLE.
Apparently, mentioning and defining asexuality at the beginning is enough and you don't have to acknowledge them again.
So what now?
The title is actually quite telling. This book is gay - and binary. And parts of it are great! But seeing that it even spreads misinformation when it comes to genders and some sexualities ... well, I can't recommend that.
People have been asking for alternative titles you might read instead. I haven't read it yet myself, but The ABCs of LGBT+ has been recommended in the comments and it does sound great.
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"It's very disappointing that the author addresses the gender binary but still thinks in it - on that note: no, bisexuality is not about liking "both men and women" but about liking (two or more!) genders similar and different to your own. It cannot be that difficult to understand, jfc."
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"No mention of dental dams in the sex ed section and at first none in the STI section either ... but then, in the very last sentence. Without explanation though, which is unfortunate considering many don't know what dental dams are. (Didn't either until recently.) Plus, this book is esp. for young people, who don't just get that information in their sex ed classes - which the author seemed to be aware of?"
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"Just, this book could have been so so good, if it would just be as inclusive as it claims to be. Sure, it can't contain every single thing to know, but many things that are missing are hardly unimportant or peripheral. I expected it to be better, simply put."
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Mal davon abgesehen, dass er Asexualität ignoriert, finde ich die Aussage auch sonst irgendwie nicht korrekt. Ich meine, ich will nicht mit GANZ VIELEN MENSCHEN Sex haben o.O
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Im Buch ging es diesbezüglich eher darum, dass wir, wenn wir uns zu Personen sexuell hingezogen fühlen, uns eben sexuell hingezogen fühlen. (Nicht zwangsläufig, dass wir dann sofort Sex haben wollen oder gar danach handeln.) Das kann ja schlecht einfach "abgestellt" werden, und der Satz oben war nur die reißerische Überschrift sozusagen und dann folgte die Erklärung. :) Welche bezüglich Asexualität natürlich immer noch Unsinn ist.
[For anybody wondering why that comment is here - someone commented here suggesting I read a homophobic book and talking about how there's just one "true" way of life. Apparently, they deleted their comment.]
May I suggest you actually read my review before suggesting I read homophobic books.
Either you accept people of other sexualities or you don't. Don't try to mask your own prejudices with that "yes but" attitude.
May I suggest you actually read my review before suggesting I read homophobic books.
Either you accept people of other sexualities or you don't. Don't try to mask your own prejudices with that "yes but" attitude.
I agree completely with this review. He did in fact exclude non binary people. He excluded many things ass well. While he may have had good intentions writing this book, it was not very good with including the genders or more info on certain sexualities
Thanks for your comment, Paola!
It's really sad she couldn't make the book what it was supposed to be, and even damaging in some cases. I wrote her once (very shortly) on Twitter about it and she claimed that any exclusion hasn't been her intention but she also didn't seem to be very willing to think about that criticism, unfortunately.
It's really sad she couldn't make the book what it was supposed to be, and even damaging in some cases. I wrote her once (very shortly) on Twitter about it and she claimed that any exclusion hasn't been her intention but she also didn't seem to be very willing to think about that criticism, unfortunately.
I absolutely understand your disappointment, Rudri! I felt the same about the bisexuality parts even though she wrote more on that.
Some info on romantic attraction could have been incredibly helpful. I know I still don't really know whether I'm somewhere on the aro spectrum or not and I highly doubt I'm the only one.
Some info on romantic attraction could have been incredibly helpful. I know I still don't really know whether I'm somewhere on the aro spectrum or not and I highly doubt I'm the only one.
I totally agree. Would it have been so difficult to say "people with penises have sex this way" instead of "men have sex this way"? It almost seems as if he's advocating for all trans people to get surgery and refusing to acknowledge that some women have penises and some men have vaginas. And there's very little mention of people outside the gender binary and intersex people. I suppose it's a good primer for a cis gay person, but for anything beyond that, I would even say Dawson is being offensive. Like what's with that flowchart at the beginning? If you don't identify as male or female it doesn't matter and you need to pick??? Almost makes me want to write a book that addresses everything he didn't. I didn't appreciate a lot of the humour or euphemisms, either, but maybe that's just me.
I totally agree. Would it have been so difficult to say "people with penises have sex this way" instead of "men have sex this way"? It almost seems as if he's advocating for all trans people to get surgery and refusing to acknowledge that some women have penises and some men have vaginas. And there's very little mention of people outside the gender binary and intersex people. I suppose it's a good primer for a cis gay person, but for anything beyond that, I would even say Dawson is being offensive. Like what's with that flowchart at the beginning? If you don't identify as male or female it doesn't matter and you need to pick??? Almost makes me want to write a book that addresses everything he didn't. I didn't appreciate a lot of the humour or euphemisms, either, but maybe that's just me.
Apparently, that was too difficult for him ... a shame, really.
I don't think it's just you. I mean, I could chuckle a bit every now and then, but there was just stuff that was supposed to be funny and turned out to be pretty close-minded. E.g. that one time she tackled prejudices, one being "gay guys aren't real men" (or something) and proving that to be wrong by saying they have penises, so yes, they're men. That's really just what you've been criticizing, and I think there were too many passages like that. It baffles me that nobody would think that that's pretty bad for a book that's supposed to be LGBTIAQ+ friendly.
I don't think it's just you. I mean, I could chuckle a bit every now and then, but there was just stuff that was supposed to be funny and turned out to be pretty close-minded. E.g. that one time she tackled prejudices, one being "gay guys aren't real men" (or something) and proving that to be wrong by saying they have penises, so yes, they're men. That's really just what you've been criticizing, and I think there were too many passages like that. It baffles me that nobody would think that that's pretty bad for a book that's supposed to be LGBTIAQ+ friendly.
Gee, I thought I'd already answered your comment, Ashley, but it seems I was wrong. D: Anyway, nothing to thank me for! (Rather, thank you for the support. :D) I just like people to know that those are not the books we need - or deserve, for that matter.
The book is titled, "This Book is Gay", not "This Book is Trans". Why doesn't someone from the Trans community write a book if you want something that covers your own experiences. Quite frankly, I'd have no problem writing about gay sex but don't even ask me about trans, much less bi or lesbian sex practices because I'd have no freaking clue but don't blame the author because you weren't included. Just like the other book shown, it's called "How to be Gay", not "How to be Trans". No one is saying there can't be other books but don't start blaming the author because your own experiences weren't included.
Hi Michael,
let's face it, nowadays 'gay' is also used as an umbrella term for the whole spectrum not just gay men. And even if you don't use it that way (I know I'm not the biggest fan), the very introduction of the book states that this book is about the whole spectrum. So this is indeed what I and everybody else can expect from that book. If it had started stating that this is really only about being gay - no issue there. But it didn't and in the end, the book just didn't deliver.
And, frankly, lack of experience is no excuse. This is why research exists. Research was done (the author also has recently come out as a heterosexual trans woman, and this is a realisation Dawson had while writing this book), just either not to the degree that the topic deserved, or all that info that is missing was either disregarded or ignored or I don't know what. And that can be criticised.
Honestly, even if we'd expect this book to be only about gay people - there are people who are gay but don't stick to binary expectations of gender and/or are trans, and they damn well deserve to be included.
let's face it, nowadays 'gay' is also used as an umbrella term for the whole spectrum not just gay men. And even if you don't use it that way (I know I'm not the biggest fan), the very introduction of the book states that this book is about the whole spectrum. So this is indeed what I and everybody else can expect from that book. If it had started stating that this is really only about being gay - no issue there. But it didn't and in the end, the book just didn't deliver.
And, frankly, lack of experience is no excuse. This is why research exists. Research was done (the author also has recently come out as a heterosexual trans woman, and this is a realisation Dawson had while writing this book), just either not to the degree that the topic deserved, or all that info that is missing was either disregarded or ignored or I don't know what. And that can be criticised.
Honestly, even if we'd expect this book to be only about gay people - there are people who are gay but don't stick to binary expectations of gender and/or are trans, and they damn well deserve to be included.
Thank you for the review!! I was going to pick up this book mainly because I had the expectation of it being very inclusive. Now I know that I should look elsewhere for such a book. :)
Um there are only two genders (except maybe intersex.). This book was written for REAL gay people who really need help adapting to society.
Currently trying to decide whether you're a troll or serious about this, but just in case it's the latter: nope, there's more than two genders. There's even more than two ways how bodies can look like (since you already mentioned intersex people), which should make it obvious that gender isn't really linked to body parts, and if it isn't, why should there be only two options? Especially since there are loads of other cultures out there in which there are also many more genders. The gender binary isn't so much of a universal "truth" as you might think.
So, there are also REAL non-binary gay people. All of whom also need that help and which the book actually claims to be written for as well - but isn't.
So, there are also REAL non-binary gay people. All of whom also need that help and which the book actually claims to be written for as well - but isn't.
Also thanks to the other commenters, I just feel awkward awkwardly saying thanks each time. But they're much appreciated! :)
TabbyCat wrote: "Now I know that I should look elsewhere for such a book. :)"
And Tabby, I wish I could point you to another book trying to do such a thorough job and doing it better - but nothing comes to mind.
TabbyCat wrote: "Now I know that I should look elsewhere for such a book. :)"
And Tabby, I wish I could point you to another book trying to do such a thorough job and doing it better - but nothing comes to mind.
Author's note:
"Throughout This Book Is Gay, I've used LGBT* to represent the full and infinite spectrum of sexual and gender identities. It's certainly not my intention for anyone to feel excluded by that initialism; I just needed a shorthand or the book would of been a LOT longer!"
Just thought I'd share that. I know how you feel, and I wished it talked more about all of the other ones, but like he said, it'll be a much bigger book.
"Throughout This Book Is Gay, I've used LGBT* to represent the full and infinite spectrum of sexual and gender identities. It's certainly not my intention for anyone to feel excluded by that initialism; I just needed a shorthand or the book would of been a LOT longer!"
Just thought I'd share that. I know how you feel, and I wished it talked more about all of the other ones, but like he said, it'll be a much bigger book.
She's talking about the initialism though, not the topics in the book. And the issues with misinformation remain. :/
I was thinking of picking this book up because I have a lot of questions concerning my own orientation but now that I know it's not exactly ace and romantic orientation inclusive, I guess I'll have to look elsewhere. Thanks for writing this review!
Jamie wrote: "I was thinking of picking this book up because I have a lot of questions concerning my own orientation but now that I know it's not exactly ace and romantic orientation inclusive, I guess I'll have..."
You're welcome! If you're fine with online resources, these might be good places to start: http://arospecawarenessweek.tumblr.co... (I know Tumblr can be a tricky issue but it helped me a lot to figure things out.)
http://www.asexuality.org/home/?q=gen...
You're welcome! If you're fine with online resources, these might be good places to start: http://arospecawarenessweek.tumblr.co... (I know Tumblr can be a tricky issue but it helped me a lot to figure things out.)
http://www.asexuality.org/home/?q=gen...
I am writing a dissertation on indentities within the community, can anyone advise any books along the same lines as this which may be better to refer to?
Laura wrote: "I am writing a dissertation on indentities within the community, can anyone advise any books along the same lines as this which may be better to refer to?"
I know of none that try/claim to cover the larger spectrum, sadly, but maybe books covering individual identities are okay too?
Personally, I think Bi: Notes for a Bisexual Revolution is a fantastic resource, covering all things bisexual and taking into account various intersections (being a person of color, for exmple, or being trans and/or non-binary and much more).
I've heard good things about Julia Serano's books, especially "Whipping Girl".
Biographies might be good place to start as well? There's Janet Mock for example.
Speaking of gender, The Gender Book is a great community-created resource.
Trans Bodies, Trans Selves is supposed to be great too, though apparently it has the same issues with defining bisexuality that Juno Dawson's book has.
That's all I can think of on the top of my head ...
These reviews also might help a bit?
I know of none that try/claim to cover the larger spectrum, sadly, but maybe books covering individual identities are okay too?
Personally, I think Bi: Notes for a Bisexual Revolution is a fantastic resource, covering all things bisexual and taking into account various intersections (being a person of color, for exmple, or being trans and/or non-binary and much more).
I've heard good things about Julia Serano's books, especially "Whipping Girl".
Biographies might be good place to start as well? There's Janet Mock for example.
Speaking of gender, The Gender Book is a great community-created resource.
Trans Bodies, Trans Selves is supposed to be great too, though apparently it has the same issues with defining bisexuality that Juno Dawson's book has.
That's all I can think of on the top of my head ...
These reviews also might help a bit?
The ABCs of LGBT by Ash Hardell is written by a non-binary queer person and though I haven't read it yet I watch her videos on youtube
Oh, Shiku, thank you for your great review! It's unfortunate to know that the huge issues I found in literally the first two pages of the book continue throughout. If you don't mind, I'd like to include a link to your review at the bottom of mine: https://www.goodreads.com/review/show...
This book is called THIS BOOK IS GAY. Why did you expect it to say anything about being non-binary. When you complain about how the book refers to men and women and not non-binary people, what do you expect. If you do not identify with a gender, then you don’t identify with a gender... you are not a new gender, the author literally can’t specify another gender. If I say “you can have blue paint, white paint or no paint at all” and you don’t want any paint, that’s isn’t a new type of paint, it’s a lack of paint.
Maybe read the book or at least the introduction, then you‘ll know where my criticism came from. Or maybe just read the whole review, that question is answered there as well.
Do you have an alternative recommendation? I'm interested in reading something from an awareness perspective
The author was a gay, white man. And is now a straight, white, woman. And partially accepted the transgender part of her identity through writing the book. That doesn’t alter anybody’s review or entitlement to that review but thought I should correct the privilege that was being quoted.
What Jane said! Though I‘m not sure the author would be perfectly comfortable with that description either; she‘s been a woman before transitioning, even though she wasn’t assigned that gender.
That’s not quite what I said either, Tereza. I was talking more about the lack/disregard of research regarding most identities discussed.
That’s not quite what I said either, Tereza. I was talking more about the lack/disregard of research regarding most identities discussed.
Right! I wasn’t expecting much ace discussion, but I figured as a bi ace, I’d at least get to read about the bisexual/biromantic experience. Nope! While bisexuality is discussed, it always feels to be mentioned as an afterthought. It also feels odd to acknowledge the ace experience and then write the book mostly about sex?? There are lots of gay, lesbian, bi, pan, etc people who fall on the ace spectrum, and of course people of these identities who fall on the Aro spectrum! Very frustrating.
I agree wholeheartedly. As someone who is ace and starting to question my gender identity I picked this book as I thought it may have some valuable information. This book is definitely aimed at gay males which there is absolutely nothing wrong with but the blurb on the back even states this book is not gay, straight or Bi. And it also says that the myths surrounding sexual orientation and gender identity are smashed so it's not outlandish for readers to expect the book to be aimed at more than one particular group. Or at least have more information about the rest!
Shiku couldn't of said it better myself I'm bisexual myself and have considered myself pansexual because I dont think I ever really cared about what was between someone legs anyways I'm in a heterosexual relationship now and I just wanted a more in depth book book about the preferences we don't hear about too often like pan, asexual, trans and the in betweens. I'm about half way through and it just feels like the generic it's fine to be who you are. I wish it was more inclusive to anyone. For example I was in a relationship with someone of the same sex and it wasn't like they didn't love themselves enough to love me or be comfortable with the relationship and it bothered me for a long time and issues like that are deeper than sexual preference you know. Anyway I think it was a great post
I had the same problem with this book. It is much too binary, and I find myself constantly correcting the authors' less-than-inclusive wording.
Thank you for basically already saying all the things I also took issue with. :) AND YES! The ABCs of LGBT+ !!!!!!!! Such a good one.
I 100% agree, as someone who is not lesbian/gay/trans but part of the lgbtq+ community, this book felt somewhat informative but mostly exclusive. I kept hoping that there would be something for the fellow non-binaries, and I was disappointed, as well as the fact that aro/aces weren't very much discussed, or other labels under the bisexual umbrella.