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Lily and the Octopus by Steven  Rowley
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it was ok
bookshelves: animal-stories, magic-realism-fantasy, dubious-choices-for-me, quirky-fiction

Here I go, bucking the flow of the majority opinion. Lily and the Octopus did not work for me. Quirky books are generally favourites of mine. I am a pile of mush over dog stories. But somehow this missed the mark badly -I am Not a fan. This is not a story about a dog. This book does not remotely resemble "The Art of Racing in the Rain", aside from the thin comparisons that a dog and people interact, and there are teary moments.

"Lily and the Octopus" is the story of a very self-absorbed man, his love life, his loneliness and his sick dachshund. The parts about Lily, the sweet anecdotes, were lovely. However, the focus was primarily on the tumour on the side of her head and how it would affect Ted. I didn't expect that the intimate dating life of Ted would be weighted as emotionally significant as poor Lily going into surgery. I couldn't "buy in" to the animated tumour- Octopus, with its voice and eye. The "coming of age" mythology played out in Captain Nemo-esque fantasies, with Ted fighting the Octopus (rather than Moby Dick) didn't resonate. Ted's angst about his personal life wasn't quirky; rather it was somber and essentially central to the story. Not Lily.

The one place that I could relate was Lily's final moments. I have been there myself. Having been so detached from the rest of the book, I was almost astonished to find myself with tears pouring down my cheeks in Lily's final moments.

I expected something really good. Because the publicity blurb linked the novel to "The Art of Racing in the Rain", one of my favourite books, I anticipated a similarly thoughtful and wise meeting of words. "Lily and the Octopus" is not that book, and the comparison totally ticked me off. Probably lost a star because of it! Obviously we must all form our own opinions. I think that the publishers managed to pull that darn octopus over a large percentage of the readers' eyes, remembering only Lily and her sad pull on the heartstrings. (Edited April, 2017)
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Reading Progress

March 7, 2016 – Shelved
March 7, 2016 – Shelved as: to-read
August 15, 2016 – Started Reading
August 15, 2016 –
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August 16, 2016 –
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August 16, 2016 – Shelved as: animal-stories
August 16, 2016 – Shelved as: quirky-fiction
August 16, 2016 – Shelved as: dubious-choices-for-me
August 16, 2016 – Shelved as: magic-realism-fantasy
August 16, 2016 – Finished Reading

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message 1: by DeB (new) - rated it 2 stars

DeB Matt wrote: "An interesting spin. I shall hold back recommending The Art of Racing in the Rain."

My goodness! This is MY opinion. I don't know how many times that I have loved a book, written about it, and read reviews from others who felt the complete opposite.

I just read your review of the novel and obviously you were transported to a special place by Ted, which felt transformative. It is wonderful that the novel spoke to you.

The novel shut me down. My personal history no doubt influenced my reaction. Your very personal story explained at length your case.

But being INTENTIONALLY spiteful toward The Art Of Racing in the Rain as a means of hurting another reviewer is beyond the scope of my understanding. You have managed to demean your own review, your character and how you use Goodreads in one simple sentence.

All over a difference in opinion.... None of which was directed at you personally. Tuck away the barbs and scathing remarks; in a lifetime they will cut you to pieces far more cruelly than the people you intend to punish.

Offered with respect...


message 2: by Debbie "DJ" (new) - added it

Debbie "DJ" Great review DeB! Huh, I don't see the spiteful comment, but whatever it was your response was beautifully written. I also loved The Art of Racing in the Rain, and haven't yet decided on this one...so many books!


message 3: by DeB (new) - rated it 2 stars

DeB Pamela wrote: "DeB, wonderfully honest review. Just as with clothing, "One Size Fits All" is totally bogus. No one book pleases everyone.

I very much appreciate friends and/or other reviewers who don't shy away..."

Thank you so much, Pamela. It appears that Matt had a "moment", and deleted his original comment, though the italicized version remains in my reply. That is a good thing. Your declaration of your belief in "the right to free speech" is another one!


message 4: by DeB (new) - rated it 2 stars

DeB Debbie "DJ" wrote: "Great review DeB! Huh, I don't see the spiteful comment, but whatever it was your response was beautifully written. I also loved The Art of Racing in the Rain, and haven't yet decided on this one....."
The comment has been deleted, but remained in my reply, in italics. "A interesting spin. I shall hold back recommending The Art of Racing in the Rain."

Succinct, brutal and pointedly vengeful.
There was an "answer" to my post, but it too has been wiped out. He could not address his statement about "Rain".

I believe he may have had second thoughts after I held up the "face" revealed to the world, by his actions.

I can take being slammed for a difference of opinion, but taking it out on another book mentioned is very low.

He may have suffered a twinge of remorse, though he did not address his snipe at Rain in his reply, or was unnerved by being "revealed". But he deleted his comment, which for him is a positive action and hopeful for the future. I, however, will let mine stand.

Thanks for liking my review! (The dream sequence in the book left me cold. I think I was annoyed that the book had been compared to The Life of Pi and The Art of Racing in the Rain, as part of its publicity campaign. The dream sequence was on the ocean, in a boat with fantastical speaking creatures = Pi? A dog who formulates thought and commentary = "Rain"? Pretty lightweight and overstated. Yep, the book shut me down. "


message 5: by Debbie "DJ" (new) - added it

Debbie "DJ" Oh geez DeB, that's absolutely bizarre that he would go after a book you mentioned! I certainly know what it feels like though. Mine was a review, with the author herself slamming me. Even had a friend who was in tears for days over something like this. All I care about is that you're okay. Sounds like you are, but please feel free to PM me if having any difficulties.

So what a interesting comparisons. Seems they will use anything to sell a book these days. I'm so glad all the comparisons to "Gone Girl" have finally fizzled! Take care, I love reading your reviews:)


Leslie I just finished this book, and absolutely hated it. I read other reviews and thought it would be good too, and I read "racing in the rain" and enjoyed it. This book didn't do anything for me. I thought it was too much on the "gay" thing and not enough on the dog, which is not what I was looking for. I couldn't wait for the book to end...never again...sorry.


message 7: by DeB (new) - rated it 2 stars

DeB Leslie wrote: "I just finished this book, and absolutely hated it. I read other reviews and thought it would be good too, and I read "racing in the rain" and enjoyed it. This book didn't do anything for me. I tho..."

Thanks for your thoughts... it is important that each of us can be free to express our opinions on GR, even when they buck the prevailing trends. There are those books which I simply lose faith in... not many... but I review and rate them accordingly. Hope you find your next book a fine one!


Karen I know the feeling when a connected to a book is so strong that I actually cry when I finish reading. This was not a feeling I had when finishing this book but I think Matt must truly have felt connected to this book. I know I'm so surprised when I read a book and that I love and others do not. It's hard not to take it personally. I've only become an avid reader in the last few years. It took some time to realize that people are very vocal about a review they disagree with. Thank you for being so pleasant in your responses. The world needs more of that type of respect for others opinions.


message 9: by DeB (new) - rated it 2 stars

DeB Karen wrote: "I know the feeling when a connected to a book is so strong that I actually cry when I finish reading. This was not a feeling I had when finishing this book but I think Matt must truly have felt con..."

Matt continues to be a GR friend, whom is mutually part of the very discerning constant readers that I have been fortunate to befriend here. There recently was a significant hullabaloo around a review by another reader, and his remarks were intended to be neutrally supportive. We all learn from one another here! I loved The Nest, because I had very recently gone through a similar horrid situation. Many others hated it. I recently read what I thought was an appalling review, one lacking any insight, on Everything I Never Told You by Celeste Ng. It was not an easy book, but I did find it a piece of extraordinary writing, as promised by the critics. I wanted dearly to contest that opinion but, why? Sometimes other perspectives are meaningful and appreciated, if you have something worthwhile to add. Argument - not my thing! Thank you for your remarks!


message 10: by debra (new) - added it

debra I'm with you, This book did nothing for me . You know when people go on Utube to show the new socks they bought and talk about their feelings when shopping(I'm making this up-never saw anything like that) that is how much emotion this book inspired in me-and I cry at Christmas supermarket commercials. I just totally missed what other people saw in this.


message 11: by debra (new) - added it

debra PS This book had as much in common with Gone Girl as it did with The Art of Racing in the Rain.Whew I'm done


message 12: by DeB (new) - rated it 2 stars

DeB debra wrote: "PS This book had as much in common with Gone Girl as it did with The Art of Racing in the Rain.Whew I'm done"

When having an opinion that runs against the flow of popular opinion (I personally didn't realize Lily and the Octopus would become a cult favourite, voted on to get to the Goodreads finalists!), it is kind of nice to discover that there are a few other members of your own distinctly unique tribe who feel the same way! Glad to be able to understand your POV, debra!


message 13: by debra (last edited Nov 27, 2016 05:04AM) (new) - added it

debra DeB wrote: "debra wrote: "PS This book had as much in common with Gone Girl as it did with The Art of Racing in the Rain.Whew I'm done"

When having an opinion that runs against the flow of popular opinion (I ..."

What astounds me are the people who feel that an opinion different from theirs is a "wrong" opinion. Just don't get that!
Like enjoying choc more than van can be right or wrong.


Jennww2ns I too LOVED The Art of Racing in the Rain and was excited to see that this book was "compared" to it. SO SO SO disappointed though. You hit the nail on the head with your review.


Melissa I liked the beginning but I started to get antsy toward the middle. Then the whole boat thing and...what?? I skimmed until the near end. AND THEN I WAS SOBBING. So I'm having a very difficult time rating this book. Much of it was "ohkay" but the part that was good was astonishingly good. I do think I understand what he was trying to convey regarding Lily, life, Jeffrey, death, moving on but he missed the mark a bit.


message 16: by Toni (new) - rated it 5 stars

Toni Yes, everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Absolutely. For me, Lilly and the Octopus was one of my top five books of 2016. I loved the way Steven Rowley told the story of Ted, his life, a guy who had just broken a long-term relationship, and was a little lonely. oh, as a sidenote, he happens to be gay. And his beloved dog Lily, gets sick with a tumor on her head, which he'd rather call an Octopus, just because it's his way of dealing with it. Which is to say, he can't say the word tumor cause it scares him and he will just cry every time. But life must go on right. So the book goes on like that, reality, humor, a little fun, no graphic anything except a dream about the Octopus coming to life. That's it for me. Loved It


message 17: by debra (new) - added it

debra Toni wrote: "Yes, everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Absolutely. For me, Lilly and the Octopus was one of my top five books of 2016. I loved the way Steven Rowley told the story of Ted, his life, a guy ..."
Wait-comment or review???


message 18: by Erin (new) - rated it 3 stars

Erin I'm reading the book now, and not loving it so far. Most of your review reflects my feelings--except one part. I'm curious about your thoughts about not "expecting the intimate revelations of life as a gay man, with sexual innuendos and dating etiquette being as significant as Lily going into surgery. (Please, I have great gay friends. They do not broadcast.)" To me, the book gives very normal details of a dating life. If the protagonist were straight, would you have similar issues? The narrator's loneliness and dissatisfaction with his romantic relationships seem integral to defining his relationship with Lily. If he weren't lonely, he might not have quite as close a relationship with her. I'm not sure why the author would limit the details of the narrator's dating life. I can't imagine the book without them. Is talking about dating at all "broadcasting," and would you consider a straight narrator talking about his own loneliness and dating life "broadcasting?"


message 19: by DeB (new) - rated it 2 stars

DeB Thanks, Elyse. Somehow I missed Erin's comment above and can't comment directly to it. I found the innuendos "sleazy", from what I can remember now. Just totally discordant with grief, and self absorbed. This novel sure kicked up some fevered reactions!


Susan (aka Just My Op) We seem to be in agreement on this book, and we are a minority opinion. Oh well, that's why there are millions of books to match all our tastes.


message 21: by Carol (new)

Carol I suspect if I read this I am going to be in your camp DeB. I love what Pamela had to say about One Size Fits All" being bogus.

So true. Read your review and the comments again. I love honesty.


message 22: by DeB (new) - rated it 2 stars

DeB Carol wrote: "I suspect if I read this I am going to be in your camp DeB. I love what Pamela had to say about One Size Fits All" being bogus.

So true. Read your review and the comments again. I love honesty."

It sure stirs up reactions, that is for sure. Did not expect such strong ones! The biggest bee in my bonnet was the use of a spectacularly good novel to promote this "meh" one. Oh, well. There are many books awaiting... ;-D


message 23: by Victoria (last edited Apr 19, 2017 04:06PM) (new)

Victoria I'm so happy you posted this review so that I may finally say to everyone who recommends this book because of my love for dogs (animals in general), here's why not. Absolutely adored The Art of Racing in the Rain, I think of Enzo's story often. Beloved.

I also wanted to share an anecdote. I was so taken with the words in your last paragraph to your detractor that I Googled the quote "tuck away the barbs...' because I thought it was one a famous person had surely uttered. Come to find that quote is yours and your review is the first item to come up in the search results. Now it HAS been offered by a famous person. You. ;-D


message 24: by DeB (new) - rated it 2 stars

DeB Victoria wrote: "I'm so happy you posted this review so that I may finally say to everyone who recommends this book because of my love for dogs (animals in general), here's why not. Absolutely adored The Art of Rac..."

Isn't that something, Victoria!

The biggest issue for me, which many missed, was that comparison to The Art of racing in the Rain - and the enormous slight of another writer in the first comment I had:
"An interesting spin. I shall hold off recommending The Art of Racing in the Rain."

I found it a real "low blow" to hit at that book, when there was disagreement with my opinion. And from there this discussion began to fly! The right to opinions? Isn't that what the forum of Goodreads is all about?

Writing is the product of a vulnerable state, and I hate panning a book. Writing a review can be an equally vulnerable position. Every opinion expressed here is one that I respect. I may not agree, but I respect the reviewer's effort to speak. That is what counts!


message 25: by Victoria (last edited Apr 21, 2017 07:49AM) (new)

Victoria Absolutely agree Deb! I didn't miss your point and was equally flummoxed by the comparison and the almost hostile commentary the sparked this firestorm. I recall a similar instance last year with a reviewer who had the temerity to swim against the tide on The Summer That Melted Everything. I was stunned.

I think society has lost a measure of civility, but I would hope we would be able to maintain respect at a minimum on this forum. Writing reviews, especially for the usually introverted bookworm, does expose us in a very vulnerable way.


message 26: by Tami (new) - rated it 3 stars

Tami Engler I'm almost finished with the book and and holding back the urge to fast forward to the very end. My mind is spinning and wondering how I ended up on a boat? an ocean? fighting at sea with an octopus? I don't know, I think my mind wondered since I'm listening to the story. I am so incredibly bored with it, I finally had to get on Goodreads and find someone who rated the book under 3 stars and thankfully found YOU!! You hit the nail on the head with how I am feeling up to this point. I couldn't agree with you and Melissa more! The book started out so strong. It was 5 stars for me, than suddenly the middle became about 3 stars and now I'm just being stubborn and forcing myself to finish the darn book. I'm around 2 stars at this point.


Kimberley Excellent review, Deb, and I completely agree. You were generous, though, with two stars. I couldn't believe all the good reviews, and I've read enough books to know...this was not a great book. Thank goodness, your review saved me from thinking I was the only person who saw this for what it is: highly overrated.


message 28: by DeB (new) - rated it 2 stars

DeB Tami wrote: "I'm almost finished with the book and and holding back the urge to fast forward to the very end. My mind is spinning and wondering how I ended up on a boat? an ocean? fighting at sea with an octopu..."

You win some... yep, the hype around this novel somehow threw me into believing it would be much different. Perhaps without the comparisons, I wouldn't have suffered as badly and appreciated it on its own merits, but unfortunately that wasn't so. Onward,to the next book, right?


message 29: by DeB (new) - rated it 2 stars

DeB Kimberley wrote: "Excellent review, Deb, and I completely agree. You were generous, though, with two stars. I couldn't believe all the good reviews, and I've read enough books to know...this was not a great book. Th..."

Glad to have been of service in your search! Yes, we see things differently, that is for sure and thank goodness there is always another book to dip into! Hope you find the next choice is great.


message 30: by Josh (new) - rated it 2 stars

Josh Kuhn-Kraemer Totally agree with a lot of your takes here! Great points, and appropriate rating! Good work Team UK!


Tammi O good! I’m not alone. I’m in the middle of the book and bored to tears with the self-absorption of the narrator. His beloved pet is dying and we are flouncing around with no sense of urgency to get Lily the care she needs. I find myself sneaking a peek at the next chapter and the next, wondering when we will have a scene set in a veterinarian’s office.

I will push through just because I do not leave a book unfinished but good lord this one is going to literally take me a year as I can only stand one or two chapters at a time before I want to shake someone.


Lizzytish I need to write my review. However, I wish I could just copy and paste yours. You stated it perfectly.


Carol I agree, I was not enamored with this book and pushed myself to get close to the end, eventually I quit reading it.


message 34: by Jill (new)

Jill Thank you for your review! I felt the same way. I was like this is just a story of a self absorbed guy, who is losing the one EASY relationship he has.


message 35: by Mallee (new)

Mallee Stanley This does seem good


message 36: by Mallee (new)

Mallee Stanley Just borrowed this from the library though I two others to finish first


message 37: by JanB (new)

JanB Even if I hadn’t recently lost my two beloved dogs this sounds dreadful. Thanks for the heads up DeB!


message 38: by Stephen (new)

Stephen Wallace I like to hear from people who have different opinions! Also, I hated 'the Art of Racing in the Rain.'


message 39: by Stephen (new)

Stephen Wallace Forgot to add, I will probably have to read 'Lily' to see for myself what I think. Just the title alone and what it represents is interesting....


message 40: by DeB (new) - rated it 2 stars

DeB Stephen wrote: "Forgot to add, I will probably have to read 'Lily' to see for myself what I think. Just the title alone and what it represents is interesting...."

Well, I was rather fond of ‘Racing’… it was right for me in time and place. The comparison irritated me- one bestseller with a dog in it doesn’t necessarily beget another!


message 41: by Stephen (new)

Stephen Wallace Perfectly fine for people to like different things. When you love a book, you wish you had someone reading it along with you so you can turn to them and say, wasn't that great! And feel like you have someone else with you while you both enjoy the adventure. Best to share the enthusiasm, and everyone should like enthusiasm.
I will have to read people's reviews of Racing to see if I can catch some of the enthusiasm others felt, even if I didn't.


message 42: by Renea (new) - added it

Renea S Thank you! i thought the exact same thing!


message 43: by Stephen (new)

Stephen Wallace Renea wrote: "Thank you! i thought the exact same thing!"

I see you gave 2 Stars on 'Lily' ouch. I appreciate the review. Since it looks like you haven't read a lot of books relating to dogs, interesting you picked that one to read out of all the other great dog books.

I see 5 stars on Pippi Longstocking, one of my favorites to and picked up a copy at a thrift store recently.


message 44: by DeB (new) - rated it 2 stars

DeB Stephen wrote: "Renea wrote: "Thank you! i thought the exact same thing!"

I see you gave 2 Stars on 'Lily' ouch. I appreciate the review. Since it looks like you haven't read a lot of books relating to dogs, inte..."


Lol, Stephen, in my Animal Stories category, 15 out of 37 are specifically about dogs- and I’ve missed quite a few which I read on rehoming, behavioural issues, obedience etc., for general reference. It’s been a few years since I read “Lily”; the anthropomorphism of the tumour simply didn’t endear me to the novel and I continue to remember that. If you did read my review, you will note that I appreciated Lily herself.

I’m so happy that you have found a copy of Pippi Longstocking. I treasure many children’s books myself, and still own a very old copy of The Dog Who Wouldn’t Be- a loving memoir about a dog. Cheers!


message 45: by DeB (new) - rated it 2 stars

DeB Renea wrote: "Thank you! i thought the exact same thing!"

I guess that the comment from Stephen here was meant for you- I answered it, lol. Lots of mixed reactions to Lily - and heated responses. After 5 years, I think I’m shelving mine! ☺️


message 46: by Donna (new) - added it

Donna I agree. There was no comparison to The Art of Racing In The Rain which is probably why I was so disappointed.


Ashley Kerns You literally captured my exact thoughts!


Manish Khanka Why demean something if you had some other expectations from the title???


message 49: by Stephen (new)

Stephen Wallace People should be free to say what they like or didn't like. Hopefully they will tell us why they didn't like it so we can compare with our preferences. They should not demean others and their opinions. Not referring to this book, but i hate it when a cover and title talk up a dog aspect and then the dog part isn't significant.
I personally dont like dogs narrating a book sounding too human expressing vocabulary and concepts beyond what i feel a dog should. But as i said, still ok if you like the book.


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