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Children of Dune by Frank Herbert
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it was amazing

I'm very much looking forward to Villeneuve's interpretation of Dune that will be shown in theaters this year so I decided to not only read the original book but also the rest of the series.

Nine years have passed since the end of book #2 and the twins have grown, protected by Stilgar and others still loyal to Muad'Dib. Or are they? Every single one of them seems to be unsure.
Liet Kynes, Chani's father and thus the twins' maternal grandfather, always dreamed of Arrakis becoming a green planet full of life ... interesting considering he was an ecologist and should have known the kind of death that would bring. Now, his dream seems to be coming true more and more - with dangerous consequences.
Thanks to the Melange/Spice addiction in the family, the twins have genetic memory so they aren't just children. Consequently, they already sit in the council chamber with their aunt Alia and others, ruling the empire.
Part of the known universe has fallen in with the religious mania about the cult surrounding the Atreidis heir who became the messiah, while the other part of the universe strictly rejects this kind of madness and is still plotting to wrestle power back.
On top of the threats from without (the Corrinos, the Bene Gesserit, the "preacher", …), there is the threat from within. Because interestingly, confusingly, the Atreidis family is kinda falling apart. For example, (view spoiler) (I will freely admit that I did NOT enjoy that part and it made me dislike (view spoiler) a lot). Jessica was an actual disappointment. I felt almost as if she was no longer the Jessica we knew from the previous book(s) and I really didn’t like her trying to split up the twins, her judgment and that she had gotten so stupid.

"Too much knowledge never makes for simple decisions." - Ghanima is definitely right about that one as her father is proof.
"A universe of surprises is what I pray for." - Leto II

There were quite some big surprises for me, one being that the twins have red hair! *lol* Yes, I'm influenced by the mini series Children of Dune.
But there was also the revelation that the Fremen are NOT native to Arrakis and migrated there (Arrakis, in fact, seems to be the 5th planet they migrated to).
The biggest, however, was that the sandtrouts, the fore-form (larva) of the sandworms, do not originate on Arrakis either! That revelation led to us learning in even greater detail of the ecology and biology of the planet as well as of the process that creates Melange/Spice.

Once again, I enjoyed the exploration of the Spice addiction, that it is indeed called an addiction, and that we see not only the positive effects but also the dark side.

This volume is another coming-of-age story, albeit a bit different from the one describing Paul growing up. The twins are even younger here than Paul was in the first book and just like his father, Let II too, has to grow up too fast and learn to use these crushing powers. How he does it, however, is quite different.
You see, thanks to their powers, both Paul and Leto II see timelines either branching out or narrowing down, which intensifies as more and more choices are made, and that really showed how such god-like powers are nothing but a trap. A trap that Paul coulnd’t escape but Leto II did.
Or is it the other way around? That really IS debatable.
Leto’s early wisdom and willpower also made for some highly entertaining encounters - especially the one with his grandmother. *lol*
What was quite disorienting, however, was how most characters evolved (view spoiler). Heartbreaking in and of itself.

Plans within plans, some caught within the machinations, one intrigue after another, arranged family loyalties / marriages, the return of one of the best literary villains ever. It made for a tense reading experience indeed (not least because of my investment regarding some of the characters). (view spoiler)

The final confrontation was ... epic. There is no other word for it. It will be highly interesting to see how the author handles the upcoming, immense time-jump.
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Frank Herbert
“It’s an old, old trick of autocratic rule,” Idaho said. “Alia knows it well. Good subjects must feel guilty. The guilt begins as a feeling of failure. The good autocrat provides many opportunities for failure in the populace.”
Frank Herbert, Children of Dune

Frank Herbert
“She rejoiced that House Atreides had survived, but the things-that-might-have-​been were beyond bearing.”
Frank Herbert, Children of Dune


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November 26, 2020 – Shelved as: to-read
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Bradley Wheels within wheels, plans within plans…


Trish Yep, it almost made me dizzy. *lol*


Sud666 Yep, it almost made me dizzy. *lol*
https://media.tenor.com/images/3fa4a4...

It's best your first time to just smoke one Trish..then you won't feel dizzy


Trish *rolls eyes* Are you ever NOT talking about weed? *lol*


Sud666 Trish wrote: "*rolls eyes* Are you ever NOT talking about weed? *lol*"

Yes. When I'm smoking I say nothing.
https://i.gifer.com/P8h1.gif


Trish *shakes head*


Sud666 Trish wrote: "*shakes head*"

oh no! Didn't your mom tell you, that if you did that..your head could get stuck that way? :(* Just letting you know :(*


Trish *lol* Is that actually something some foolish people say? Like "you keep watching television, your eyes will turn square"?


Sud666 Trish wrote: "*lol* Is that actually something some foolish people say? Like "you keep watching television, your eyes will turn square"?"

ummmmm you mean like this?
https://webneel.com/daily/sites/defau...


Trish *lol* Yup.


Sud666 Trish wrote: "*lol* Yup."

Ha! See?!! AND my mom said I would never be happy cuz I didn't get married and don't have brats :(* Oh and my dad said I'd never amount to anything cuz I don't have a real job :(* Parents are ALWAYS correct. Now, pay attention to your grandpa, how about some cheesecake to show familial devotion? Oh plus now your eyes won't be square and people won't think your Slovenian :(*


Trish Well, my family has given up about me. The dead ones AND the ones still alive. I mean, I'm 35, no kids, no man interested and it's all because I read too damned much - which makes me have opinions (and ones I can defend verbally). *gasps* The horror! The shame to the family name! So YOU better get ME some cheesecake. *lol*


Sud666 Trish wrote: "Well, my family has given up about me. The dead ones AND the ones still alive. I mean, I'm 35, no kids, no man interested and it's all because I read too damned much - which makes me have opinions ..."

hmmmm that sounds suspiciously familiar :(* Fine..I have no cheesecake but I did get you this
https://preview.redd.it/qau09l8t6f241...

Dig in..if you finish I'll get you another


message 14: by Erik (last edited Jul 31, 2021 07:23PM) (new) - rated it 4 stars

Erik Trish wrote: "Well, my family has given up about me. The dead ones AND the ones still alive. I mean, I'm 35, no kids, no man interested and it's all because I read too damned much - which makes me have opinions ..."

Sounds like you need tequila more than cheescake. I hear tequila makes your clothes fall off. Surprising how much male attention that can draw, lol.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nj270...


Sud666 Erik wrote: "Trish wrote: "Well, my family has given up about me. The dead ones AND the ones still alive. I mean, I'm 35, no kids, no man interested and it's all because I read too damned much - which makes me ..."

*rofl* Don't forget weed. But I'm always down for Tequila. I've even eaten the worm :) Also don't forget to tell Trish that when she gets married and has 4 kids...she will be SO happy and fulfilled. Just like all the other married people out there. Wow..I'd say I'm jealous but I'm too elderly.


Trish @Erik: What if I don't want to get attention that way? Trust me, my family would have a problem with me doing it "that way" too. Or maybe not. *lol* In any case, I'm not that kind of slut girl and I'm definitely fine without a man.


@Sud: You know what? Since you're so on board with my family's plan, you shall be my kids' father. *evil cackle* Now THAT is a horror story right there.


Sud666 Trish wrote: "@Erik: What if I don't want to get attention that way? Trust me, my family would have a problem with me doing it "that way" too. Or maybe not. *lol* In any case, I'm not that kind of slut girl and ..."

kids' father

oh um hmm...well as fun as that sounds ..you see uh I'm kind of busy here with all my friends..doin stuff...see?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CenYU...

Oops. I'm dead. No kids I guess. Shame. You would have enjoyed the process. Oh well...no fears...for you have these:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79UNB...

*lol* Kreuzberg in Berlin is a great place for you Trish to meet people and um discuss books :)


Trish Sud666 wrote: "oh um hmm...well as fun as that sounds ..you see uh I'm kind of busy here with all my friends..doin stuff..."

Too late. My aunt is already putting your name in our family tree. You should be grateful ... old European family, endless supply of cheesecake, having a house slave wife that bakes as many cheesecakes as you want, having carbon copies of you (several, just in case something happens to one or three of them), ...


message 19: by Erik (new) - rated it 4 stars

Erik Well if you are going to be picky about your attention getting methods...

I cast no judgments upon adults enjoying adult activities. I'm certainly not going to throw stones about promiscuity, considering the double standard that normally is applied to this.

Happiness is doing whatever that makes you happy. Better living through chemistry is also known to help. Just saying... : )


Trish Oh, no double standard here. I judge men and women alike. *lol* As for the chemistry - if only most of it wasn't illegal. *sighs*


Sud666 Erik wrote: "Well if you are going to be picky about your attention getting methods...

I cast no judgments upon adults enjoying adult activities. I'm certainly not going to throw stones about promiscuity, con..."


" Better living through chemistry is also known to help. "
*lol* Eric if you and wife ever find yourselves in Yellow Springs Ohio stop on by..we think eye to eye :)


message 22: by Erik (new) - rated it 4 stars

Erik They just legalized marijuana here in Michigan. Interesting times. Not for me mind you... they frown on folks running nuclear reactors who are high.


Sud666 Trish wrote: "Sud666 wrote: "oh um hmm...well as fun as that sounds ..you see uh I'm kind of busy here with all my friends..doin stuff..."

Too late. My aunt is already putting your name in our family tree. You ..."


Meh. Had I married my wife need not ever slave. She's my wife and thus would have people to do that. Now cooking? Hell even I like cooking...that's fun. I have people to clean stuff though. That's not fun. Anyways you're still young and full of life. Also you LIVE in the epicenter of dreams and love manifest- Europe! It's where all Americans, Canadians and Argentianians go to find spouses. A "lover's paradise" and the "dwelling place of the gods". I only mimic your greatness by driving European cars and wearing European clothes. *sad* I couldn't even pull that off had I not marticulated from my humble school. So it's rough be me..you have no idea *dramatic voice*


Sud666 Erik wrote: "They just legalized marijuana here in Michigan. Interesting times. Not for me mind you... they frown on folks running nuclear reactors who are high."

Not in Russia they don't :)
well ok..drunk..but still :)


Trish Sud666 wrote: "Anyways you're still young and full of life. "

Bwahahahaha. Well, I'm told men like younger women. ;)


message 26: by Sud666 (last edited Jul 31, 2021 10:44PM) (new) - rated it 5 stars

Sud666 Trish wrote: "Sud666 wrote: "Anyways you're still young and full of life. "

Bwahahahaha. Well, I'm told men like younger women. ;)"


Heh well J. Epstein and his hangers-on showed that to be true. I'll pass :) We come from "If the Corps wanted you to have a wife they'd have issued you one" school. It has served me well so far ;)
https://media.tenor.com/images/8b0c30...

Ah-yup..see? Not needed.


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