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Chancery style should be the default for script math alpahebt #61
Are there plans to create entirely new roundhand/chancery glyphs from scratch, to match the unmodulated design of Noto Sans? Same question for Fraktur.
For example, Concrete Math OTF uses unmodulated design for calligraphic, similar to lxfonts by Claudio Beccari.
I have thought about Fraktur indeed, but no concrete plans, but there are few “modern” Frakturs to take inspiration from. It would make sense for script as well, but also no concrete plans (the existing chancery style is incomplete as well, so either way new glyphs need to be drawn).
Is there a way to automatically get the unmodulated design for the Chancery/Script/Fraktur glyphs from the existing ones? I mean is there some feature in some font editor which allows to just make the strokes of the glyph of constant width, with the skeletal form of the design remaining the same?
A great sans serif (it has small serifs) math font which has both calligraphic and Fraktur letters is GFS Neohellenic (Link on CTAN: https://ctan.org/pkg/gfsneohellenicmath). The Fraktur is in blackletter style.
One more possible source of insipiration is fonts provided by Wolfram Mathematica. They contain a lot of math symbols (probably the whole unicode range), including Script, Gothic (Fraktur) and Doublestruck, in both the normal and bold weights, in styles compatible with Times, Courier and Helvetica. I am attaching here two pdf files which showcase all the letters in the MathematicaSans and the MathematicaSans-Bold fonts, compatible with Helvetica.
GFS NeoHellenic Fraktur is indeed beautiful, but unfortunately, it doesn't have a lowercase Fraktur. And there's no possibility of creating a lowercase Fraktur by the original designer.
The Mathematica fonts are unfortunately not open source. I got them from the Fonts directory in my Mathematica 14.1 installation. Also, note that the Mathematica fonts contain just the glyphs, not a MATH table.
Helvetica calligraphic letters, from the (now defunct?) hvmath package fonts provided by Micropress. The calligraphic is in Knuth's Computer Modern calligraphic style.
Unmodulated script letters have been added to Lete Sans Math (Chenjing Bu and Daniel Flipo) recently. The chancery bold (based on Concrete otf math or lxfonts) has been also slightly emboldened other letters.
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apoorvpotnis commentedon Mar 2, 2024
Are there plans to create entirely new roundhand/chancery glyphs from scratch, to match the unmodulated design of Noto Sans? Same question for Fraktur.
For example, Concrete Math OTF uses unmodulated design for calligraphic, similar to lxfonts by Claudio Beccari.
For Fraktur, one can take inspiration from Fraktur Modern https://fontmeme.com/fonts/fraktur-modern-font/.
Some unmodulated characters are also present in Free Sans.
khaledhosny commentedon Mar 2, 2024
I have thought about Fraktur indeed, but no concrete plans, but there are few “modern” Frakturs to take inspiration from. It would make sense for script as well, but also no concrete plans (the existing chancery style is incomplete as well, so either way new glyphs need to be drawn).
apoorvpotnis commentedon Mar 10, 2024
Is there a way to automatically get the unmodulated design for the Chancery/Script/Fraktur glyphs from the existing ones? I mean is there some feature in some font editor which allows to just make the strokes of the glyph of constant width, with the skeletal form of the design remaining the same?
apoorvpotnis commentedon Jun 13, 2024
A great sans serif (it has small serifs) math font which has both calligraphic and Fraktur letters is GFS Neohellenic (Link on CTAN: https://ctan.org/pkg/gfsneohellenicmath). The Fraktur is in blackletter style.
apoorvpotnis commentedon Nov 14, 2024
One more possible source of insipiration is fonts provided by Wolfram Mathematica. They contain a lot of math symbols (probably the whole unicode range), including Script, Gothic (Fraktur) and Doublestruck, in both the normal and bold weights, in styles compatible with Times, Courier and Helvetica. I am attaching here two pdf files which showcase all the letters in the MathematicaSans and the MathematicaSans-Bold fonts, compatible with Helvetica.
MathematicaSans-Bold.pdf
MathematicaSans.pdf
Firestar-Reimu commentedon Nov 15, 2024
I like the GFS Neohellenic Fraktur more than Mathematica Sans
as the GFS fraktur is more "fraktur-ic"
PS: where to install the Mathematica Fonts? Is it open-source?
apoorvpotnis commentedon Nov 15, 2024
GFS NeoHellenic Fraktur is indeed beautiful, but unfortunately, it doesn't have a lowercase Fraktur. And there's no possibility of creating a lowercase Fraktur by the original designer.
The Mathematica fonts are unfortunately not open source. I got them from the Fonts directory in my Mathematica 14.1 installation. Also, note that the Mathematica fonts contain just the glyphs, not a MATH table.
apoorvpotnis commentedon Apr 12, 2025
Luciole Math
apoorvpotnis commentedon May 1, 2025
Recently released (v0.060) script letters in Julia Mono: https://github.com/cormullion/juliamono/releases/tag/v0.060. These are however monospace and need to be made proportional.
apoorvpotnis commentedon Jun 26, 2025
Helvetica calligraphic letters, from the (now defunct?)
hvmathpackage fonts provided by Micropress. The calligraphic is in Knuth's Computer Modern calligraphic style.Images taken from here: https://web.archive.org/web/20210422191427/http://www.micropress-inc.com/fonts/hvmath/hvf2.htm and here: https://web.archive.org/web/20210422195754/http://www.micropress-inc.com/fonts/hvmath/hvf5.htm
Enivex commentedon Aug 22, 2025
Ideally we should have both styles, using variation selectors to select between them, as per https://www.unicode.org/Public/16.0.0/ucd/StandardizedVariants.txt
apoorvpotnis commentedon Mar 19, 2026
Unmodulated script letters have been added to Lete Sans Math (Chenjing Bu and Daniel Flipo) recently. The chancery bold (based on Concrete otf math or lxfonts) has been also slightly emboldened other letters.
abccsss/LeteSansMath#9
I think these can adapted to Noto Sans Math (the chancery still has round stroke endings instead of butt endings though).