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[css-counter-styles-3] fallback for cjk-earthly-branch and cjk-heavenly-stem #8975
As it is being discussed in #8596, it seems the right system for these styles is fixed. With that, the fallback for them becomes more relevant, given they defined just a few symbols (10 and 12). The styles don't explicitly define a fallback, so it is decimal.
I have no knowledge on CJK languages, but I'm wondering if decimal is the best fallback for them. For example, other CJK related styles have cjk-decimal as fallback. So I'd like to discuss if this (or another style) would be a better fallback option here.
The CSS Working Group just discussed [css-counter-styles-3] fallback for cjk-earthly-branch and cjk-heavenly-stem, and agreed to the following:
RESOLVED: Change fallback for cjk-earthly-branch and cjk-heavenly-stem to cjk-decimal instead of decimal
RESOLVED: Republish CR
The full IRC log of that discussion
<TabAtkins> seems reasonable to me too
<emilio> fantasai: seems reasonable, we should make the change and republish
<emilio> miriam: objections, anyone need more context?
<fantasai> emilio: would like someone familiar with cjk to look at it, but otherwise seems fine
<fantasai> +1 TabAtkins
<fantasai> TabAtkins: These fall back to cjk-decimal due to matching fullwidth
<emilio> TabAtkins: all fall back to cjk-decimal because of full-width, same applies to these
<emilio> RESOLVED: Change fallback for cjk-earthly-branch and cjk-heavenly-stem to cjk-decimal instead of decimal
<fantasai> RESOLVED: Republish CR
We discussed this issue in the Chinese Layout Task Force Teleconference.
The consensus of the task force was that cjk-decimal is an improvement over decimal. simp-chinese-informal and trad-chinese-informal are even better, but since cjk-earthly-branch and cjk-heavenly-stem do not distinguish between Simplified and Traditional Chinese, we're OK with keeping it as is (cjk-decimal).
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css-meeting-bot commentedon Jun 21, 2023
The CSS Working Group just discussed
[css-counter-styles-3] fallback for cjk-earthly-branch and cjk-heavenly-stem, and agreed to the following:RESOLVED: Change fallback for cjk-earthly-branch and cjk-heavenly-stem to cjk-decimal instead of decimalRESOLVED: Republish CRThe full IRC log of that discussion
<TabAtkins> seems reasonable to me too<emilio> fantasai: seems reasonable, we should make the change and republish
<emilio> miriam: objections, anyone need more context?
<fantasai> emilio: would like someone familiar with cjk to look at it, but otherwise seems fine
<fantasai> +1 TabAtkins
<fantasai> TabAtkins: These fall back to cjk-decimal due to matching fullwidth
<emilio> TabAtkins: all fall back to cjk-decimal because of full-width, same applies to these
<emilio> RESOLVED: Change fallback for cjk-earthly-branch and cjk-heavenly-stem to cjk-decimal instead of decimal
<fantasai> RESOLVED: Republish CR
[css-counter-styles-3] cjk-earthly-branch and cjk-heavenly-stem shoul…
xfq commentedon Jul 7, 2023
We discussed this issue in the Chinese Layout Task Force Teleconference.
The consensus of the task force was that
cjk-decimalis an improvement overdecimal.simp-chinese-informalandtrad-chinese-informalare even better, but sincecjk-earthly-branchandcjk-heavenly-stemdo not distinguish between Simplified and Traditional Chinese, we're OK with keeping it as is (cjk-decimal).vitorroriz commentedon Jul 7, 2023
@xfq we could create another issue for adding new styles, like:
cjk-earthly-brach-simpandcjk-earthly-branch-tradeach with a specific fallback.[css-counter-styles-3] cjk-earthly-branch and cjk-heavenly-stem shoul…
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[css-counter-styles-3] Add cjk-decimal fallback to cjk-earthly-branch…
r12a commentedon Nov 28, 2023
These changes were added to the Ready-made Counter Styles doc editor's draft.