It's time for my annual Hall of Fame post. Feel free to argue at the bottom of the post, no name calling. I really liked the format I used last year, so I am keeping it this year. Voters can pick up to ten players on their ballots out of a total of 32 retired players. There are ten players on this year's ballot that I would vote for, so lets start out by getting rid of the 23 players I would not support, or need a little more time to ponder.
Go.
1. Heath Bell
2. Jose Valverde
3. J.J. Putz
4. Adam Dunn
I am going to give Adam Dunn a baseball card on my list. He was a fun player who either hit a home run, struck out, or walked on the majority of his career at-bats. Sure, that describes a lot of players in baseball today, but back in the early 2000s it was far less common. Sorry, can't have Adam Dunn in the Hall of Fame.
5. Raul Ibanez
6. Brad Penny
7. Chone Figgins
8. Carlos Pena
Is there a Hall of Fame for really cool autographs? If there was, I would vote for Carlos Pena in my Top 10. Unfortunately, there is no such Hall of Fame. Carlos Pena was also in the Moneyball book. Billy Beane trades him to the Detroit Tigers to force Art Howe to play Scott Hatteberg at first base. Sorry Carlos, there is no place for you in Cooperstown. Don't buy his 2002 Bowman autograph like I did.
9. Brian Roberts
10. Josh Beckett
11. Omar Vizquel
I cannot believe that there are people who think Omar Vizquel is a Hall of Famer. Last year, I did not give him a card, just a stock photo of a clown. This year, I am not giving him a card, just a stock photo of a clown.
12. Eric Chavez
13. Rafael Furcal
Rafael Furcal won a World Series with the Cardinals in 2011, so he gets a card in this post. I appreciate his efforts in getting the Cardinals their 11th World Series Championship. In particular, he hit a lead off triple against Roy Halladay in the first inning of Game 5 of the NLDS, and ended up scoring the only run of the game. Still not a Hall of Famer though.
14. Cliff Lee
15. Andy Pettitte
16. Paul Konerko
I liked watching Paul Konerko. Not a Hall of Famer, though there are probably a few White Sox fans who think he should be in Cooperstown. Just a really good player. Worthy of a baseball card.
17. Jason Giambi
18. Jeff Kent
19. Alfonso Soriano
20. Billy Wagner
I am not a big fan of putting relief pitchers into the Hall of Fame. If I could restart the Hall of Fame, take people out, there are several relievers who would get the heave ho. However, nobody is going to let me restart the Hall of Fame, so let me just say that I like Billy Wagner more than I like a few of the more recent elected closers. Specifically Lee Smith and Trevor Hoffman. I have some good Lee Smith blown save stories for a different post. I would not vote for Billy Wagner, but I am sure there will likely be a day where he gets into Cooperstown.
21. Bobby Abreu
I really like Bobby Abreu. I am not sure that many people realize how good his career numbers are, or how good he was during his career. If you like WAR, WAR7, JAWS, and some of those other metrics to measure careers, than Bobby Abreu is in line with Vladimir Guerrero and Gary Sheffield. I also like that he has almost 600 career doubles, and also 400 stolen bases. I am putting Bobby Abreu outside of my top 10, but he's a player who at a minimum deserves a little bit more dialogue.
22. Gary Sheffield
I like numbers. I do not always like to rely on my opinions of players during their career as a barometer of whether they are Hall worthy or not. Gary Sheffield is in that same neighborhood as Bobby Abreu. There are some numbers that are really good, like he has more than 500 home runs. He's also one player, my opinion from watching him play, who feels like he should have better numbers. Plus, that bat waggle was sort of scary as a Cardinals fan. I would not have a problem with Sheffield being in the Hall, but I have 10 players I like more.
That brings me to my Top 10 players I would vote for if I had a Hall of Fame ballot. Each of them gets a blurb.
10. Derek Jeter
I would vote for Derek Jeter. I think he's a Hall of Famer. I also don't think he is as good as Ozzie Smith or Cal Ripken. Does ARod count as a shortstop, because he was not as good as him either. Also Robin Yount. Yep, Derek Jeter is a Hall of Famer. Probably a good thing he was on the Yankees, otherwise he would be sitting around for the next two decades like Alan Trammell.
9. Sammy Sosa
I do not really care about steroids. There were a lot of players who took them, and it did not guarantee players success. You still had to be talented enough to actually hit the ball. See Adam Piatt. Sammy hit 600 home runs, which included three seasons with more than 60 home runs. He should probably get a "Thank You" card from Major League Baseball for the whole 1998 home run race. Baseball was very good to Sammy, let's do a little better. Put him in the Hall.
8. Andruw Jones
Let me tell you about modern centerfielders from the 1990s and 2000s. Kenny Lofton should be in the Hall of Fame, but he was off the ballot in a year. Jim Edmonds should be in the Hall of Fame, but he was off the ballot in a year. Andruw Jones has done better. I know there are many people who do not like Andruw Jones. There are two halves of his career. The Braves half was Hall of Fame worthy. The Dodgers, Rangers, White Sox, and Yankees half was not. In conclusion, Jim Edmonds and Kenny Lofton should be in the Hall of Fame.
7. Manny Ramirez
I am a big fan of Manny. He has 555 home runs, 2,500 hits, 1,800 RBIs, a .585 slugging percentage, and a .996 career OPS. Manny also helped the Red Sox win two World Series championships. Have I ever mentioned that his rookie cards were photographed at Duke? I know the answer is yes. Pretty cool local connection.
6. Scott Rolen
Rolen does not have the counting numbers that are essential for many Hall of Fame voters, but I still think he is worthy of a place in Cooperstown. Even without great counting numbers, there are many metrics that place him amongst the top dozen or so third baseman. Rolen's peak years with the Phillies and Cardinals were very good, in line with many of the already enshrined at his position. I do not really care if ended up getting traded out of every city he played, put him in.
5. Todd Helton
I had Helton outside my 10 players last year on my Hall of Fame post last year. Yes, there are some problematic numbers with Helton, especially his home and road splits. However, I am not going to penalize him for playing half of his career in Coors. Many players have been on the Rockies, but few are Hall of Fame worthy. He only had 369 home runs, which might seem low with a long career at Coors, but he also had almost 600 doubles. Throw in a batting title, along with a great career slashline, and I am fine with Helton being in the Hall.
4. Curt Schilling
I have a lot of problems with Curt Schilling the person. There are plenty of other players in the Hall that have said and done plenty of questionable things. Curt Schilling the baseball player is Hall of Fame worthy. Great Postseason player.
3. Larry Walker
I have posted a lot about Larry Walker in the past. I feel like it's all been covered. I also feel like he is going to make it into the Hall this year. Just a feeling.
2. Roger Clemens
Clemens has 350 wins and more than 4,500 strikeouts. He's the greatest right-handed pitcher that I have seen in person. Yes, he was on steroids. No, I do not care.
1. Barry Bonds
Barry Bonds is a Hall of Famer. That's the blurb.
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Saturday, December 28, 2019
Sunday, December 30, 2018
If I Had A Hall Of Fame Ballot.....
There are 35 players on the Hall of Fame ballot this year. If I had a ballot, I would definitely have to vote for the full 10 players this year. That means I have to cross off 25 players. Mind you, there are players I am going to have to cross out that I would vote for if I were able to choose more than 10 players. There are also players that I would not vote for, yet would have no real issue with them being in the Hall of Fame. Baseball cards throughout.
Let's go, counting down.
35. Rick Ankiel
Last I heard, Ankiel was going to attempt a comeback this year. So, if he gets signed and reaches the Majors is he back on the Hall of Fame ballot again when he retires again?
34. Juan Pierre
33. Darren Oliver
32. Jon Garland
31. Michael Young
30. Jason Bay
29. Travis Hafner
28. Ted Lilly
27. Billy Wagner
I do not really think that Billy Wagner belongs in the Hall of Fame, but he's better than Trevor Hoffman. I was disappointed that he somehow got into the Hall last year. Perhaps Wagner will make it one day with whatever the Veteran's Committee is called now.
26. Vernon Wells
I would not vote for the former Blue Jays and Angels outfielder named Vernon Wells. His agent should be in the Hall of Fame for getting him that gigantic contract he signed with the Blue Jays. His father should also be in the Hall of Fame for doing the artwork in the 1990s Upper Deck sets. Look at that Vince Coleman artwork. Nothing says Vince Coleman like trying to bunt your way onto base.
25. Kevin Youkilis
24. Freddy Garcia
23. Derek Lowe
22. Placido Polanco
21. Omar Vizquel
Does Omar Vizquel belong in the Hall of Fame?
"That's a clown question bro" -Bryce Harper
I know Bryce was not talking about Omar Vizquel's Hall of Fame candidacy when he gave that quote, but I felt like it is applicable to this situation. How do we get into these situations with players on the Hall of Fame ballot. There is a lot of:
"I remember Omar was a good fielder and won a bunch of Gold Gloves. He was the Ozzie Smith of the 1990s"
or
"Great defense belongs in the Hall of Fame. What is the difference between Scott Rolen and Omar Vizquel"
About 300 home runs, 300 doubles, and a World Series ring.
What do people not understand about math? It's not really all that close.
20. Miguel Tejada
19. Roy Oswalt
He was pitching for the Phillies at the time of the rally squirrel incident.
18. Lance Berkman
We will always have Game 6.
17. Fred McGriff
No problem with Fred McGriff being in the Hall.
16. Jeff Kent
15. Andy Pettitte
Although Jack Morris got into the Hall, so Andy Pettitte and all his World Series rings probably gets in at some point too.
14. Sammy Sosa
I would have no problem with Sammy being in the Hall of Fame. If there were less people on the ballot who were deserving of being in the Hall of Fame, I might even put him in my Top 10. However, I also understand why he has lingered around and is now on his 7th year on the ballot. Plenty of players used steroids, most did not end their careers with 600 home runs, 2000+ hits, almost 250 stolen bases, and more than 1,500 RBIs. If I were going to spend more time on Sammy, there are some negatives to his career too.
13. Gary Sheffield
I think Sheffield is the fringiest player I support for Hall of Fame. I have heard a lot of solid arguments against him and I completely understand. I am more on the "Small Hall" side, but not considering someone like Sheffield feels like being slanted to the extreme side of that group. He was always a great player in my opinion whose public perception was hurt by a lot of stuff that happened off the field. Sheff hit more than 500 home runs, almost had 500 doubles, and stole 250 bases. He has a better career OPS+ than Reggie Jackson, Al Kaline, Dave Winfield, and Roberto Clemente.
On the non-number side, he was always a player I feared when the Cardinals played him. That bat waggle, quick hands, and the power.
12. Andruw Jones
Andruw Jones had two halves of his career. There is the Atlanta Braves version of Andruw Jones who won Gold Gloves, hit home runs, and played a vital role on the dominate National League teams of the 1990s. Most of the focus on those Braves teams was on pitching and Chipper Jones, but Andruw was a great player too. There have been plenty of other modern center fielders who have gotten hosed in Hall of Fame voting in recent years, like Kenny Lofton and Jim Edmonds, so I am guessing that Andruw Jones will end up in the Veterans Committee voting. The second half of Andruw Jones's career also really hurt him. He bounced around between the Dodgers, Rangers, White Sox, and Yankees. Mainly a bat off the bench who hit home runs and struck out often. I would be fine with Andruw being in the Hall of Fame, as long as we end up with Jim Edmonds and Kenny Lofton too.
11. Todd Helton
I have this really bad feeling that Helton is going to end up with similar results as Larry Walker. Both were helped by playing in Denver, who wouldn't, but those two players were scary away from Coors Field. In 2000, Todd Helton won the National League batting title with a .372 average. Moises Alou finished second that season with a .355 average. Helton hit .353 on the road. He ended his career with more than 2,500 hits, 350 home runs, 1,300 walks, and almost 600 doubles. I don't care about Coors Field, there have plenty of players on the Rockies, nobody has numbers like Helton.
Which brings me to the ten players I would vote for if I had a ballot.
10. Scott Rolen
There are those who would argue that Rolen is a more fringe candidate than Sheffield, but I actually think that the former Phillies/Cardinals/Reds third baseman should be a no doubter. There are not many third baseman in the Hall of Fame, but if you look at Jay Jaffe's JAWS ratings on Baseball-Reference Rolen stacks up as the 10th best player all-time to man the hot corner. The nine players in front of Rolen are all in the Hall of Fame, minus Adrian Beltre since he is not eligible yet. He had an injury shortened career, so his counting numbers are a little bit short of what that crowd likes to see. Rolen had more than 300 home runs, 500 doubles, and almost 1,300 RBIs. He also seemed to burn bridges everywhere he played, plenty of other jerky people in the Hall.
9. Roy Halladay
Halladay deserves to be in the Hall. He's a little short on counting numbers, so I could see some voters potentially being sticks in the mud over the fact that Roy barely crossed the 200 win mark. He's also only at 2,100 strikeouts. Let's also remember that Halladay played for some mediocre teams in Toronto for much of his career. There were some really good season up north where he won games and posted a good stat line. He won the American League Cy Young Award in 2003, when he led the league in wins, but did not place the year before when he had an ERA+ of 157 and a 7.3 WAR. Halladay's Hall of Fame candidacy was really helped by his time on the Phillies. He won 55 games over three and half years, which included a second Cy Young Award in 2010 and a Postseason no-hitter against the Reds that same season.
8. Edgar Martinez
I not only like steroid users, I also like DHs. I really wish that Jaffe and other statisticians would include a DH category in his Hall of Fame rankings, he's in the third base rankings at the moment. Considering Edgar played 2000 games in his career and only appeared in the field right around 600 times, pretty hard to take that comparison seriously. DHs are just supposed to hit, so lets keep it simple and just look at his hitting stats. Martinez has a .312/.418/.515 slash line over his 18 year career with two batting titles. He also led the league three different times in on-base percentage, once in OPS, and once in RBIs, and two times in doubles. Not the most powerful hitter home run wise for a DH, but he still ended his career with over 300. Throw in the 500 doubles and that's a pretty impressive total of extra base hits. His overall OPS+ for his career was 147, which would be the third highest on this year's ballot behind Manny Ramirez and Barry Bonds.
7. Mariano Rivera
Last year I got blocked a few times on Twitter over my instance that Trevor Hoffman was not a Hall of Famer and that relievers are overvalued. Not a real popular argument. I do make exceptions to my rule. Not many, but Rivera is better than all the other closers. Hoffman should not be in the same conversation of Mariano. Rivera ended his career with 652 saves, which is the all-time record, along with an incredible ERA+ of 205. The only "relief" pitcher, quotations not meant as a put down, with a high WAR than Rivera is Dennis Eckersley. Eck spent the first half of his career as a starter and undoubtedly built up his WAR a little bit during those seasons. Rivera also won 5 World Series rings and closed out 42 games for a save during the Postseason all while maintaining a 0.70 ERA. If you watched the Postseason games during the 1990s and early 2000s, Mariano Rivera was almost automatic.
Break out the Duke card......
6. Manny Ramirez
This card should be in the Hall of Fame. Manny is a steroid user who likely will have to wait a long time to get into Cooperstown. He's a care free guy though, sure it's not really bothering him too much. Pretty easy math here: Manny won two World Series titles with the Red Sox, he was the MVP in the 2004 Series, appeared in twelve All-Star Games, and took home nine Silver Sluggers. All of those accolades are added to 555 career home runs, 547 doubles, 1,300 RBIs, and a career slash line of .312/.411/585. Many players took steroids, still takes a lot of talent to hit the baseball the way way Manny did. Put him in.
5. Curt Schilling
Schilling has lingered on the ballot for awhile. Wearing shirts that say "tree, rope, journalist" is probably not the best way to garner support amongst the sports writers voting to elect players to the Hall of Fame. So, let's look at the positives on the field. Schilling has 216, which does not sound like a lot for a player who lasted 20 years, but the first half of his career was mainly spent playing for some really bad Phillies teams. The second half of his career featured three 20 win seasons, three top 5 Cy Young finishes, three World Series rings, a World Series MVP, and surpassing the 3,000 strikeout mark for his career. His Postseason career mark is 11-2 with an ERA of 2.23.
4. Mike Mussina
The biggest knock I always hear about Mussina is that he was never great at anything. He did not win any awards, only once led the league in a major category (wins in 1995), and did take home a ring even though he played half of his career for the Yankees. Awards? He finished in the Top 5 in Cy Young voting six different times and he won seven Gold Gloves. Mussina played 18 years for the Yankees and Orioles in the two of the smallest, home run friendly stadiums in baseball during an era where there were a ton of home run hitters. He won 270 games, had an ERA around 3.50, and almost struck out 3,000 batters. He has a higher career WAR than Nolan Ryan, and if you break it down to his best seven years, it's still higher than Nolan Ryan. His career ERA+ is the same as Juan Marichal and higher than Bob Feller, Don Drysdale, and Steve Carlton. Put him in.
3. Larry Walker
The worst non-steroid linked omission from the 1990s players. While he has never been linked to steroids, it seems that many writers have decided to treat his time with the Rockies as the same sort of dark stain. Luckily, Larry Walker played other places along the way, and with a few clicks of the mouse, you can find out that he was a pretty great player away from Denver too. Like that time he hit .322 during his final year with the Expos, or those two years at the end of his career where he had a .520 slugging percentage playing for the Cardinals in a pitcher friendly park. Most seasons, while playing for the Rockies, his road batting average was around, if not over .300. He hit home runs, he hit doubles, and he drove in runs playing on the road. For his career, he is just short of 400 home runs, 500 doubles, hit .313 with with a .565 slugging percentage, won seven Gold Gloves, a National League MVP, an three batting titles. You want a number that compares him to some Hall of Famers? How about this: Out of all the Hall of Famers who are listed as a right fielder, his slugging percentage falls in between Stan Musial and Babe Ruth. If Walker does not get into the Hall, there will never be a Rockies player there. Seriously.
2. Roger Clemens
I am obvious not opposed to putting steroid users into the Hall of Fame. There is a clear line, based his different legal battles, and the Mitchell Report, which give baseball fans a good time frame of when Clemens started using steroids. Let's go ahead and clear his numbers out after Boston. Most of the steroid use appears to have started in the late 1990s with the Blue Jays and Yankees, and extended into his time with the Astros.
Cutting those numbers away, Clemens at age 33 was just short of 200 wins and right around 2,500 strikeouts. He had two Cy Young Awards and an MVP Award too. Clemens had an ERA+ of 144 with the Sox, which would have put him in the top 5 all-time, and he was already at 81.0 WAR, which is higher than both Schilling and Mussina. Basically, pre-steroids, Clemens was already a border line Hall of Famer. Even if you assume he career last five more years past his time with Boston, and he is a mediocre pitcher, he still probably gets around 220-230 wins and crosses 3,000 strikeouts. Although, during his final 10 win season in Boston, he did manage to lead the American League in strikeouts with 257.
I will not argue that he gets to 350 wins and 4,500 strikeouts without a little help from the pharmacy, but it is also a pretty silly argument to say that Clemens is not a Hall of Famer without steroids.
1. Barry Bonds
Similar story to Clemens. There is a definite time line connected to Bonds and steroids. So, again we can clear out Bonds numbers at a specific date and look at his credentials from that point. That line would be 1998. At that point in his career Bonds was at 400 home runs and 400 stolen bases, the only player to reach those plateaus, along with 400 doubles, almost 2,000 hits, three National League MVPs, and eight Gold Gloves. Bonds was also at 79.1 WAR after 1998, which puts him in the top 5 players at the position behind Ted Williams, Rickey Henderson, and Carl Yastrzemski. Jay Jaffe would have put him behind Pete Rose too, I consider him a first baseman, but you get the point. He was in really good company at that point. If he had walked off the field after the 1998 season with only those numbers and accomplishments I have a hard time believing that Barry Bonds is not in Cooperstown.
From a non-numbers side of things, I saw Barry Bonds numerous times as both a Giant and a Pirate. If I being honest, and not a Cardinals homer (Sorry Albert), Bonds is the best player that I have seen in person. He was a great and feared hitter, a fast base runner, and an excellent left fielder. There was little that he he ever did wrong. I know there are baseball fans older than me who are upset about Pete Rose not being in the Hall. I feel the same about Barry Bonds, except Barry was better than Pete.
Let's go, counting down.
35. Rick Ankiel
Last I heard, Ankiel was going to attempt a comeback this year. So, if he gets signed and reaches the Majors is he back on the Hall of Fame ballot again when he retires again?
34. Juan Pierre
33. Darren Oliver
32. Jon Garland
31. Michael Young
30. Jason Bay
29. Travis Hafner
28. Ted Lilly
27. Billy Wagner
I do not really think that Billy Wagner belongs in the Hall of Fame, but he's better than Trevor Hoffman. I was disappointed that he somehow got into the Hall last year. Perhaps Wagner will make it one day with whatever the Veteran's Committee is called now.
26. Vernon Wells
I would not vote for the former Blue Jays and Angels outfielder named Vernon Wells. His agent should be in the Hall of Fame for getting him that gigantic contract he signed with the Blue Jays. His father should also be in the Hall of Fame for doing the artwork in the 1990s Upper Deck sets. Look at that Vince Coleman artwork. Nothing says Vince Coleman like trying to bunt your way onto base.
25. Kevin Youkilis
24. Freddy Garcia
23. Derek Lowe
22. Placido Polanco
21. Omar Vizquel
Does Omar Vizquel belong in the Hall of Fame?
"That's a clown question bro" -Bryce Harper
I know Bryce was not talking about Omar Vizquel's Hall of Fame candidacy when he gave that quote, but I felt like it is applicable to this situation. How do we get into these situations with players on the Hall of Fame ballot. There is a lot of:
"I remember Omar was a good fielder and won a bunch of Gold Gloves. He was the Ozzie Smith of the 1990s"
or
"Great defense belongs in the Hall of Fame. What is the difference between Scott Rolen and Omar Vizquel"
About 300 home runs, 300 doubles, and a World Series ring.
What do people not understand about math? It's not really all that close.
20. Miguel Tejada
19. Roy Oswalt
He was pitching for the Phillies at the time of the rally squirrel incident.
18. Lance Berkman
We will always have Game 6.
17. Fred McGriff
No problem with Fred McGriff being in the Hall.
16. Jeff Kent
15. Andy Pettitte
Although Jack Morris got into the Hall, so Andy Pettitte and all his World Series rings probably gets in at some point too.
14. Sammy Sosa
I would have no problem with Sammy being in the Hall of Fame. If there were less people on the ballot who were deserving of being in the Hall of Fame, I might even put him in my Top 10. However, I also understand why he has lingered around and is now on his 7th year on the ballot. Plenty of players used steroids, most did not end their careers with 600 home runs, 2000+ hits, almost 250 stolen bases, and more than 1,500 RBIs. If I were going to spend more time on Sammy, there are some negatives to his career too.
13. Gary Sheffield
I think Sheffield is the fringiest player I support for Hall of Fame. I have heard a lot of solid arguments against him and I completely understand. I am more on the "Small Hall" side, but not considering someone like Sheffield feels like being slanted to the extreme side of that group. He was always a great player in my opinion whose public perception was hurt by a lot of stuff that happened off the field. Sheff hit more than 500 home runs, almost had 500 doubles, and stole 250 bases. He has a better career OPS+ than Reggie Jackson, Al Kaline, Dave Winfield, and Roberto Clemente.
On the non-number side, he was always a player I feared when the Cardinals played him. That bat waggle, quick hands, and the power.
12. Andruw Jones
Andruw Jones had two halves of his career. There is the Atlanta Braves version of Andruw Jones who won Gold Gloves, hit home runs, and played a vital role on the dominate National League teams of the 1990s. Most of the focus on those Braves teams was on pitching and Chipper Jones, but Andruw was a great player too. There have been plenty of other modern center fielders who have gotten hosed in Hall of Fame voting in recent years, like Kenny Lofton and Jim Edmonds, so I am guessing that Andruw Jones will end up in the Veterans Committee voting. The second half of Andruw Jones's career also really hurt him. He bounced around between the Dodgers, Rangers, White Sox, and Yankees. Mainly a bat off the bench who hit home runs and struck out often. I would be fine with Andruw being in the Hall of Fame, as long as we end up with Jim Edmonds and Kenny Lofton too.
11. Todd Helton
I have this really bad feeling that Helton is going to end up with similar results as Larry Walker. Both were helped by playing in Denver, who wouldn't, but those two players were scary away from Coors Field. In 2000, Todd Helton won the National League batting title with a .372 average. Moises Alou finished second that season with a .355 average. Helton hit .353 on the road. He ended his career with more than 2,500 hits, 350 home runs, 1,300 walks, and almost 600 doubles. I don't care about Coors Field, there have plenty of players on the Rockies, nobody has numbers like Helton.
Which brings me to the ten players I would vote for if I had a ballot.
10. Scott Rolen
There are those who would argue that Rolen is a more fringe candidate than Sheffield, but I actually think that the former Phillies/Cardinals/Reds third baseman should be a no doubter. There are not many third baseman in the Hall of Fame, but if you look at Jay Jaffe's JAWS ratings on Baseball-Reference Rolen stacks up as the 10th best player all-time to man the hot corner. The nine players in front of Rolen are all in the Hall of Fame, minus Adrian Beltre since he is not eligible yet. He had an injury shortened career, so his counting numbers are a little bit short of what that crowd likes to see. Rolen had more than 300 home runs, 500 doubles, and almost 1,300 RBIs. He also seemed to burn bridges everywhere he played, plenty of other jerky people in the Hall.
9. Roy Halladay
Halladay deserves to be in the Hall. He's a little short on counting numbers, so I could see some voters potentially being sticks in the mud over the fact that Roy barely crossed the 200 win mark. He's also only at 2,100 strikeouts. Let's also remember that Halladay played for some mediocre teams in Toronto for much of his career. There were some really good season up north where he won games and posted a good stat line. He won the American League Cy Young Award in 2003, when he led the league in wins, but did not place the year before when he had an ERA+ of 157 and a 7.3 WAR. Halladay's Hall of Fame candidacy was really helped by his time on the Phillies. He won 55 games over three and half years, which included a second Cy Young Award in 2010 and a Postseason no-hitter against the Reds that same season.
8. Edgar Martinez
I not only like steroid users, I also like DHs. I really wish that Jaffe and other statisticians would include a DH category in his Hall of Fame rankings, he's in the third base rankings at the moment. Considering Edgar played 2000 games in his career and only appeared in the field right around 600 times, pretty hard to take that comparison seriously. DHs are just supposed to hit, so lets keep it simple and just look at his hitting stats. Martinez has a .312/.418/.515 slash line over his 18 year career with two batting titles. He also led the league three different times in on-base percentage, once in OPS, and once in RBIs, and two times in doubles. Not the most powerful hitter home run wise for a DH, but he still ended his career with over 300. Throw in the 500 doubles and that's a pretty impressive total of extra base hits. His overall OPS+ for his career was 147, which would be the third highest on this year's ballot behind Manny Ramirez and Barry Bonds.
7. Mariano Rivera
Last year I got blocked a few times on Twitter over my instance that Trevor Hoffman was not a Hall of Famer and that relievers are overvalued. Not a real popular argument. I do make exceptions to my rule. Not many, but Rivera is better than all the other closers. Hoffman should not be in the same conversation of Mariano. Rivera ended his career with 652 saves, which is the all-time record, along with an incredible ERA+ of 205. The only "relief" pitcher, quotations not meant as a put down, with a high WAR than Rivera is Dennis Eckersley. Eck spent the first half of his career as a starter and undoubtedly built up his WAR a little bit during those seasons. Rivera also won 5 World Series rings and closed out 42 games for a save during the Postseason all while maintaining a 0.70 ERA. If you watched the Postseason games during the 1990s and early 2000s, Mariano Rivera was almost automatic.
Break out the Duke card......
6. Manny Ramirez
This card should be in the Hall of Fame. Manny is a steroid user who likely will have to wait a long time to get into Cooperstown. He's a care free guy though, sure it's not really bothering him too much. Pretty easy math here: Manny won two World Series titles with the Red Sox, he was the MVP in the 2004 Series, appeared in twelve All-Star Games, and took home nine Silver Sluggers. All of those accolades are added to 555 career home runs, 547 doubles, 1,300 RBIs, and a career slash line of .312/.411/585. Many players took steroids, still takes a lot of talent to hit the baseball the way way Manny did. Put him in.
5. Curt Schilling
Schilling has lingered on the ballot for awhile. Wearing shirts that say "tree, rope, journalist" is probably not the best way to garner support amongst the sports writers voting to elect players to the Hall of Fame. So, let's look at the positives on the field. Schilling has 216, which does not sound like a lot for a player who lasted 20 years, but the first half of his career was mainly spent playing for some really bad Phillies teams. The second half of his career featured three 20 win seasons, three top 5 Cy Young finishes, three World Series rings, a World Series MVP, and surpassing the 3,000 strikeout mark for his career. His Postseason career mark is 11-2 with an ERA of 2.23.
4. Mike Mussina
The biggest knock I always hear about Mussina is that he was never great at anything. He did not win any awards, only once led the league in a major category (wins in 1995), and did take home a ring even though he played half of his career for the Yankees. Awards? He finished in the Top 5 in Cy Young voting six different times and he won seven Gold Gloves. Mussina played 18 years for the Yankees and Orioles in the two of the smallest, home run friendly stadiums in baseball during an era where there were a ton of home run hitters. He won 270 games, had an ERA around 3.50, and almost struck out 3,000 batters. He has a higher career WAR than Nolan Ryan, and if you break it down to his best seven years, it's still higher than Nolan Ryan. His career ERA+ is the same as Juan Marichal and higher than Bob Feller, Don Drysdale, and Steve Carlton. Put him in.
3. Larry Walker
The worst non-steroid linked omission from the 1990s players. While he has never been linked to steroids, it seems that many writers have decided to treat his time with the Rockies as the same sort of dark stain. Luckily, Larry Walker played other places along the way, and with a few clicks of the mouse, you can find out that he was a pretty great player away from Denver too. Like that time he hit .322 during his final year with the Expos, or those two years at the end of his career where he had a .520 slugging percentage playing for the Cardinals in a pitcher friendly park. Most seasons, while playing for the Rockies, his road batting average was around, if not over .300. He hit home runs, he hit doubles, and he drove in runs playing on the road. For his career, he is just short of 400 home runs, 500 doubles, hit .313 with with a .565 slugging percentage, won seven Gold Gloves, a National League MVP, an three batting titles. You want a number that compares him to some Hall of Famers? How about this: Out of all the Hall of Famers who are listed as a right fielder, his slugging percentage falls in between Stan Musial and Babe Ruth. If Walker does not get into the Hall, there will never be a Rockies player there. Seriously.
2. Roger Clemens
I am obvious not opposed to putting steroid users into the Hall of Fame. There is a clear line, based his different legal battles, and the Mitchell Report, which give baseball fans a good time frame of when Clemens started using steroids. Let's go ahead and clear his numbers out after Boston. Most of the steroid use appears to have started in the late 1990s with the Blue Jays and Yankees, and extended into his time with the Astros.
Cutting those numbers away, Clemens at age 33 was just short of 200 wins and right around 2,500 strikeouts. He had two Cy Young Awards and an MVP Award too. Clemens had an ERA+ of 144 with the Sox, which would have put him in the top 5 all-time, and he was already at 81.0 WAR, which is higher than both Schilling and Mussina. Basically, pre-steroids, Clemens was already a border line Hall of Famer. Even if you assume he career last five more years past his time with Boston, and he is a mediocre pitcher, he still probably gets around 220-230 wins and crosses 3,000 strikeouts. Although, during his final 10 win season in Boston, he did manage to lead the American League in strikeouts with 257.
I will not argue that he gets to 350 wins and 4,500 strikeouts without a little help from the pharmacy, but it is also a pretty silly argument to say that Clemens is not a Hall of Famer without steroids.
1. Barry Bonds
Similar story to Clemens. There is a definite time line connected to Bonds and steroids. So, again we can clear out Bonds numbers at a specific date and look at his credentials from that point. That line would be 1998. At that point in his career Bonds was at 400 home runs and 400 stolen bases, the only player to reach those plateaus, along with 400 doubles, almost 2,000 hits, three National League MVPs, and eight Gold Gloves. Bonds was also at 79.1 WAR after 1998, which puts him in the top 5 players at the position behind Ted Williams, Rickey Henderson, and Carl Yastrzemski. Jay Jaffe would have put him behind Pete Rose too, I consider him a first baseman, but you get the point. He was in really good company at that point. If he had walked off the field after the 1998 season with only those numbers and accomplishments I have a hard time believing that Barry Bonds is not in Cooperstown.
From a non-numbers side of things, I saw Barry Bonds numerous times as both a Giant and a Pirate. If I being honest, and not a Cardinals homer (Sorry Albert), Bonds is the best player that I have seen in person. He was a great and feared hitter, a fast base runner, and an excellent left fielder. There was little that he he ever did wrong. I know there are baseball fans older than me who are upset about Pete Rose not being in the Hall. I feel the same about Barry Bonds, except Barry was better than Pete.
Thursday, January 4, 2018
If I Had A Hall Of Fame Ballot...
I do one of these posts every year, so let's look at this year's Hall of Fame ballot. There are 33 former Major League players on this year's edition of the ballot. Every voter can put a maximum of 10 on their ballot. If I had an actual ballot, not just a blogger site, I would work backwards from 33, eliminate 23 players, and have 10 Hall worthy players at the end.
21. Gary Sheffield
Which brings us to the Hall of Famers, or at least in my opinion. I am going to go the opposite direction on the 10 players I would vote for, assuming that I had a ballot, from most deserving to least deserving. Some of my slam dunks don't have a lot of explanation, my later choices have a bit of salesmanship. My Hall of Famers are......
The Hall of Fame is not a Hall of Morals. There are plenty of players in Cooperstown with all sorts of flaws. I do not care about steroids, perjury, or anything else that you think Barry Bonds did wrong over the years. He's supposedly not the friendliest person and I could care less. Here is what I do know about Barry Bonds..... He's the best player that I ever watched in person. 700 home runs, 500 steals, the single season home run record, and a career slugging percentage north of .600. I would vote for Barry Bonds any year that he's on the ballot. End of story.
2. Roger Clemens
350 wins, 4,500 strikeouts, and two World Series rings makes Roger Clemens another shoe-in for the Hall of Fame. Why is he not in yet? Not sure he's the best pitcher I ever saw in person, but I am not sure that the old guy who pitched for the Astros was the best version of Roger Clemens. Still a very very good player.
3. Chipper Jones
Should easily be the second Durham Bulls player to get into the Hall of Fame behind Astros/Reds/Phillies/A's second baseman Joe Morgan. Chipper had more than 450 career home runs, 500 doubles, and 2,700 career hits. One of the beset third baseman I have ever seen in person. I know the Braves went to the playoffs every year for the first decade of his career, winning only 1 World Series in 1995, but he did a lot of damage in the Postseason too. In roughly 300 career postseason at bats Jones hit 13 home runs, 18 doubles, drove in 47 runs, and had a .287/.409/.456 slash line. Put him in.
4. Curt Schilling
3000 strikeouts and a great Postseason resume. I know the 216 wins bother a lot of people, but lets not forget that he spent a long time playing for some pretty bad teams. He won more games in the 8 years he pitched for the Diamondbacks and Red Sox, good teams, than the 12 years he pitched for the Phillies, Orioles, and Astros. Schilling has got an 11-2 Postseason record with a World Series Co-MVP in 2001 with the Diamondbacks. Again, I am not voting on morals.
5. Jim Thome
600 home runs with a .276/.402/.554 slash line. Pretty hard to argue against 600 home runs, does not matter whether he hit them as a first baseman or a DH. Thome is a pretty one dimensional player, which I have no problem voting for if they are really good at what they do. Thome had 9 seasons with more than 35 home runs with a high of 52 in 2002 with the Indians. That's a lot of dingers. I know he's second all-time in strikeouts just under Reggie Jackson for the all-time mark, but that list is littered with modern players. Adam Dunn, Mark Reynolds, Jose Canseco, etc. Put him in.
6. Larry Walker
Larry Walker was one of the best all-around players of the 1990s. I know the phrase "5-Tool Player" gets tossed around fairly often, but Walker was an actual good example. He won three batting titles in a four year stretch starting in 1998, led the National League in home runs in 1997 with 49, had several seasons with more than 20 steals, and frequently registered double digit assist totals as a right fielder for the Expos, Rockies, and Cardinals. The biggest problem with Walker's Hall of Fame resume is counting numbers. He's barely above 2,000 hits, even though he's got almost at 1,000 walks, only got 383 home runs, and 471 doubles. A lot of his metric numbers are actually really close to Reggie Jackson's totals, Walker has 72.6 career WAR versus 73.8 for Jackson. Walker has a career OPS+ of 141. Jackson finished his career at 139. The biggest difference between the two players is that Jackson played 2,820 games and Walker player 1,989 games. Almost 1,000 games difference there. If you compare Walker and Jackson's slash line, Walker has an advantage in every category. Walker has .313/.400/.565 and Jackson has .262/.356/.490. You don't like Coors? Great. Larry Walker, on the Expos, hit .281/.357/.483, or right in line with Reggie Jackson.
7. Scott Rolen
Rolen has some of the same problems as Larry Walker with longevity. Plus, there were two halves of his career: There was the player who played for the Phillies and a three and half years for the Cardinals before he messed up his shoulder and there was the Scott Rolen who played two seasons with the Cardinals after messing up his shoulder, had a brief stop over with the Blue Jays, and finished his career with the Reds. If you just look at the end of his Cardinals career, the year and a half with the Blue Jays, and the final four years with the Reds you would have a hard time putting him into the Hall of Fame. However, his 1996 season through the middle of 2005 were worthy of Hall of Fame consideration. He won the Rookie of the Year in 1997 with the Phillies and posted a .282/.373/.504 mark with the team in five full season with 150 home runs, 200 plus doubles, and 500 RBIs. That's about 30 home runs a season, 40 doubles, and 100 RBIs. His first few seasons on the Cardinals were also Hall worthy with his best season coming in 2004. He was probably the third best Cardinals player on the team that year with 34 home runs, 32 doubles, 124 RBIs, and a slash line of .314/.409/.598. Again, his counting numbers do not match up to players like George Brett, Adrian Beltre, Mike Schmidt, and Chipper Jones, but everything else is right there. I know there is a good chance he's going to be done after one year on the ballot and that stinks.
8. Manny Ramirez
I know there were steroid issues with Manny, he failed drug tests, and a lot of people think he's a really weird guy. I can go with weird, but he could hit the baseball. I know there are a lot of baseball fans who credit Thome and Roberto Alomar with being the players who really made the 1990s Indians teams good, but Manny was the best player on those teams and it's not even close. So, here is what Manny has going for him: He hit more than 500 home runs, had more than 500 doubles, 2,500 hits with 1,300 walks, and a .312/.411/.585 slash line. There are not a lot of modern left fielders in the Hall of Fame, and the ones who are there are very good (Rickey Henderson, Bonds should be), so it's somewhat hard to look at Manny in that same class. He's not that good, but still a Hall of Famer. He fits in well with Willie Stargell with slightly better counting numbers and a high batting average.
Plus rookie cards photos were taken on Duke's campus.
9. Edgar Martinez
How did Frank Thomas get in the Hall of Fame so fast, but Edgar Martinez is still hanging out on the ballot? 500 doubles, 300 home runs, and a .312/.418/.515 slash line. He walked more than he struck out over an 18 year career. He won two American League batting titles. Yes, he spent most of his career as a designated hitter on the Mariners. Yes, he spent the prime of his career playing in the shadows of Ken Griffey Jr., Alex Rodriguez, and Randy Johnson. Being the fourth best player on your team still sometimes means that you are a Hall of Famer. I've seen several comparisons of Edgar and Harold Baines, not a Hall of Famer, but very good. Edgar is a lot better than Baines. I go back to Frank Thomas from the top of the blurb. He's actually a little different player than the aforementioned Frank Thomas, less power, but great ability to get on-base, hit for average, and drive the ball. Edgar's were doubles, Frank's were home runs. Edgar is a Hall of Famer.
10. Vladimir Guerrero
Last one is a little tougher sell than some of the other players on my list whom I put in, and those I would like to put in. It actually looks like Vlad has a really good chance of making it sooner than later, which also makes some of the doubt with Larry Walker and Scott Rolen a bit of a head scratcher. So, here goes. Guerrero spent most of his career playing for the Expos and Angels. He ended his career with almost 450 home runs, almost 500 doubles, and a .318/.379/.553 slash line. Vlad did win an MVP with the Angels in 2004, but didn't win a batting title, career high was .337 with four seasons above .330, or significant statistical category at any point during his career. His numbers though were always very good. His OPS+ has him as an above average player every single season he played full-time in the Majors save for his final year with the Orioles. I like WAR, which doesn't make Vald seem like a slam dunk, but his OPS+ does measure up well with Hall of Famers, or players who belong in the Hall. With an OPS+ of 140 he's in line with Reggie Jackson, Larry Walker, and Gary Sheffield and slightly ahead of Tony Gwynn, Roberto Clemente, Dave Winfield and Al Kaline.
So, let's start getting rid of those 23.
1. Brad Lidge
2. Isringhausen
3. Aubrey Huff
4. Hideki Matsui
5. Kerry Wood
6. Billy Wagner
Let's pause at Billy Wagner for a second. He was a great relief pitcher for the Astros, Phillies, and Mets. Threw really hard, struck a ton of people out, was everything that you'd want out of a closer. He never really gets any love for the Hall of Fame like Trevor Hoffman does even though their WAR, WAR7, and JAWS are basically identical. Between the two, Wagner actually has a better ERA+, more strikeouts, and a better K/9 ratio. Hoffman has saves. That's it. One stat.
7. Trevor Hoffman
Since it will probably cause a stir, here is a Trevor Hoffman baseball card. Not sorry.
8. Carlos Lee
9. Kevin Millwood
10. Orlando Hudson
11. Livan Hernandez
12. Chris Carpenter
Which gets me a little more than half way to 23. I will take a pause here at Chris Carpenter to say I wish he had stayed healthier during his career. Carp had Hall of Fame type seasons, but just not enough of them to get my vote.
13. Zambrano
14. Omar Vizquel
I could probably list a dozen shortstops, whose careers intersected with Vizquel's career, who are better than Vizquel. Let's try.
Vizquel played from 1989 through 2012.
Ozzie Smith, Barry Larkin, Alan Trammell, Tony Fernandez, Cal Ripken, ARod, Jeter, Nomar, Jimmy Rollins, Tulo, Miguel Tejada, and Andrelton Simmons.
I know that there are people who always talk about Vizquel as being a Hall of Famer, but I simply do not see it. Not to say that Vizquel was not an excellent fielder during the prime of his career.
I could probably list a dozen shortstops, whose careers intersected with Vizquel's career, who are better than Vizquel. Let's try.
Vizquel played from 1989 through 2012.
Ozzie Smith, Barry Larkin, Alan Trammell, Tony Fernandez, Cal Ripken, ARod, Jeter, Nomar, Jimmy Rollins, Tulo, Miguel Tejada, and Andrelton Simmons.
I know that there are people who always talk about Vizquel as being a Hall of Famer, but I simply do not see it. Not to say that Vizquel was not an excellent fielder during the prime of his career.
15. Jamie Moyer
16. Johan Santana
17. Fred McGriff
18. Jeff Kent
19. Johnny Damon
Which brings us to the point where I actually have to start making some hard decisions.
20. Andruw Jones
Jones had a great career and was a very good player on one of his generations best teams. He has more than 400 home runs, almost 400 doubles, more than 150 steals, and 10 Gold Gloves. I liked Andruw Jones a lot. He was a fun player to watch, but I have always thought he was in the second tier of center fielders from the 1990s and early 2000s behind players like Ken Griffey Jr., Jim Edmonds, and Kenny Lofton. Andruw gets a baseball card in the post. Also a former Durham Bulls player, but not a Hall of Famer.
21. Gary Sheffield
I could possibly support Sheffield being in the Hall of Fame, but there are 10 players on the ballot this year who are better than him. 500 home runs, 250 steals, and almost 3,000 hits are all nice numbers. So many good right fielders from the 1990s/early 2000s on this year's ballot (Sosa, Guerrero, Sheffield, and Walker).
Sheff gets a baseball card.
22. Sammy Sosa
There might be a point at which I might put Sosa in my Top 10. I am not against him being in the Hall of Fame, but he's not one of the ten best players on the ballot. In fact, it always surprises me when I go and look at his numbers how he is not actually a complete slam dunk. As a Cardinals fan, I remember Sammy well and have a great appreciation for his good years. My biggest problems with Sosa are the fact that he wasn't as good as people think he was before he started hitting all of the home runs and once he started hitting home runs he lost a lot of his other positive attributes. He walked less and less, ran the bases less and less, and did not field as well.
Sammy can have a baseball card and I will bunny hop during a kickball game at work between now and the end of the school year.
Sammy's autograph should be in the Hall of Fame.
23. Mike Mussina
I like Mussina and I would like to vote for Mussina. However, there are more than 10 players on the ballot who belong in Cooperstown. It makes it really hard to figure out who should get votes and who should be skipped over for another year. In a perfect world, there would be 10, or fewer, deserving Hall of Famers on the ballot and I could give players like Mussina, Sheffield, and Sosa a little more love. As for Mussina, he pitched his entire career in the tough N.L. East, in offensive ballparks, and all he did was win. He ended his career at 270 wins and was at 2,800 Ks. I know those are both short of the slam dunk 300 wins and 3000 strikeouts, but he's really close. I hate arbitrary numbers too. His metrics are in line with Tom Glavine and Nolan Ryan, so I say put him in. Well, if I had more than 10 votes.
Moose gets a baseball card.
23. Mike Mussina
I like Mussina and I would like to vote for Mussina. However, there are more than 10 players on the ballot who belong in Cooperstown. It makes it really hard to figure out who should get votes and who should be skipped over for another year. In a perfect world, there would be 10, or fewer, deserving Hall of Famers on the ballot and I could give players like Mussina, Sheffield, and Sosa a little more love. As for Mussina, he pitched his entire career in the tough N.L. East, in offensive ballparks, and all he did was win. He ended his career at 270 wins and was at 2,800 Ks. I know those are both short of the slam dunk 300 wins and 3000 strikeouts, but he's really close. I hate arbitrary numbers too. His metrics are in line with Tom Glavine and Nolan Ryan, so I say put him in. Well, if I had more than 10 votes.
Moose gets a baseball card.
Which brings us to the Hall of Famers, or at least in my opinion. I am going to go the opposite direction on the 10 players I would vote for, assuming that I had a ballot, from most deserving to least deserving. Some of my slam dunks don't have a lot of explanation, my later choices have a bit of salesmanship. My Hall of Famers are......
1. Barry Bonds
The Hall of Fame is not a Hall of Morals. There are plenty of players in Cooperstown with all sorts of flaws. I do not care about steroids, perjury, or anything else that you think Barry Bonds did wrong over the years. He's supposedly not the friendliest person and I could care less. Here is what I do know about Barry Bonds..... He's the best player that I ever watched in person. 700 home runs, 500 steals, the single season home run record, and a career slugging percentage north of .600. I would vote for Barry Bonds any year that he's on the ballot. End of story.
2. Roger Clemens
350 wins, 4,500 strikeouts, and two World Series rings makes Roger Clemens another shoe-in for the Hall of Fame. Why is he not in yet? Not sure he's the best pitcher I ever saw in person, but I am not sure that the old guy who pitched for the Astros was the best version of Roger Clemens. Still a very very good player.
3. Chipper Jones
Should easily be the second Durham Bulls player to get into the Hall of Fame behind Astros/Reds/Phillies/A's second baseman Joe Morgan. Chipper had more than 450 career home runs, 500 doubles, and 2,700 career hits. One of the beset third baseman I have ever seen in person. I know the Braves went to the playoffs every year for the first decade of his career, winning only 1 World Series in 1995, but he did a lot of damage in the Postseason too. In roughly 300 career postseason at bats Jones hit 13 home runs, 18 doubles, drove in 47 runs, and had a .287/.409/.456 slash line. Put him in.
4. Curt Schilling
3000 strikeouts and a great Postseason resume. I know the 216 wins bother a lot of people, but lets not forget that he spent a long time playing for some pretty bad teams. He won more games in the 8 years he pitched for the Diamondbacks and Red Sox, good teams, than the 12 years he pitched for the Phillies, Orioles, and Astros. Schilling has got an 11-2 Postseason record with a World Series Co-MVP in 2001 with the Diamondbacks. Again, I am not voting on morals.
5. Jim Thome
600 home runs with a .276/.402/.554 slash line. Pretty hard to argue against 600 home runs, does not matter whether he hit them as a first baseman or a DH. Thome is a pretty one dimensional player, which I have no problem voting for if they are really good at what they do. Thome had 9 seasons with more than 35 home runs with a high of 52 in 2002 with the Indians. That's a lot of dingers. I know he's second all-time in strikeouts just under Reggie Jackson for the all-time mark, but that list is littered with modern players. Adam Dunn, Mark Reynolds, Jose Canseco, etc. Put him in.
6. Larry Walker
Larry Walker was one of the best all-around players of the 1990s. I know the phrase "5-Tool Player" gets tossed around fairly often, but Walker was an actual good example. He won three batting titles in a four year stretch starting in 1998, led the National League in home runs in 1997 with 49, had several seasons with more than 20 steals, and frequently registered double digit assist totals as a right fielder for the Expos, Rockies, and Cardinals. The biggest problem with Walker's Hall of Fame resume is counting numbers. He's barely above 2,000 hits, even though he's got almost at 1,000 walks, only got 383 home runs, and 471 doubles. A lot of his metric numbers are actually really close to Reggie Jackson's totals, Walker has 72.6 career WAR versus 73.8 for Jackson. Walker has a career OPS+ of 141. Jackson finished his career at 139. The biggest difference between the two players is that Jackson played 2,820 games and Walker player 1,989 games. Almost 1,000 games difference there. If you compare Walker and Jackson's slash line, Walker has an advantage in every category. Walker has .313/.400/.565 and Jackson has .262/.356/.490. You don't like Coors? Great. Larry Walker, on the Expos, hit .281/.357/.483, or right in line with Reggie Jackson.
7. Scott Rolen
Rolen has some of the same problems as Larry Walker with longevity. Plus, there were two halves of his career: There was the player who played for the Phillies and a three and half years for the Cardinals before he messed up his shoulder and there was the Scott Rolen who played two seasons with the Cardinals after messing up his shoulder, had a brief stop over with the Blue Jays, and finished his career with the Reds. If you just look at the end of his Cardinals career, the year and a half with the Blue Jays, and the final four years with the Reds you would have a hard time putting him into the Hall of Fame. However, his 1996 season through the middle of 2005 were worthy of Hall of Fame consideration. He won the Rookie of the Year in 1997 with the Phillies and posted a .282/.373/.504 mark with the team in five full season with 150 home runs, 200 plus doubles, and 500 RBIs. That's about 30 home runs a season, 40 doubles, and 100 RBIs. His first few seasons on the Cardinals were also Hall worthy with his best season coming in 2004. He was probably the third best Cardinals player on the team that year with 34 home runs, 32 doubles, 124 RBIs, and a slash line of .314/.409/.598. Again, his counting numbers do not match up to players like George Brett, Adrian Beltre, Mike Schmidt, and Chipper Jones, but everything else is right there. I know there is a good chance he's going to be done after one year on the ballot and that stinks.
8. Manny Ramirez
I know there were steroid issues with Manny, he failed drug tests, and a lot of people think he's a really weird guy. I can go with weird, but he could hit the baseball. I know there are a lot of baseball fans who credit Thome and Roberto Alomar with being the players who really made the 1990s Indians teams good, but Manny was the best player on those teams and it's not even close. So, here is what Manny has going for him: He hit more than 500 home runs, had more than 500 doubles, 2,500 hits with 1,300 walks, and a .312/.411/.585 slash line. There are not a lot of modern left fielders in the Hall of Fame, and the ones who are there are very good (Rickey Henderson, Bonds should be), so it's somewhat hard to look at Manny in that same class. He's not that good, but still a Hall of Famer. He fits in well with Willie Stargell with slightly better counting numbers and a high batting average.
Plus rookie cards photos were taken on Duke's campus.
9. Edgar Martinez
How did Frank Thomas get in the Hall of Fame so fast, but Edgar Martinez is still hanging out on the ballot? 500 doubles, 300 home runs, and a .312/.418/.515 slash line. He walked more than he struck out over an 18 year career. He won two American League batting titles. Yes, he spent most of his career as a designated hitter on the Mariners. Yes, he spent the prime of his career playing in the shadows of Ken Griffey Jr., Alex Rodriguez, and Randy Johnson. Being the fourth best player on your team still sometimes means that you are a Hall of Famer. I've seen several comparisons of Edgar and Harold Baines, not a Hall of Famer, but very good. Edgar is a lot better than Baines. I go back to Frank Thomas from the top of the blurb. He's actually a little different player than the aforementioned Frank Thomas, less power, but great ability to get on-base, hit for average, and drive the ball. Edgar's were doubles, Frank's were home runs. Edgar is a Hall of Famer.
10. Vladimir Guerrero
Last one is a little tougher sell than some of the other players on my list whom I put in, and those I would like to put in. It actually looks like Vlad has a really good chance of making it sooner than later, which also makes some of the doubt with Larry Walker and Scott Rolen a bit of a head scratcher. So, here goes. Guerrero spent most of his career playing for the Expos and Angels. He ended his career with almost 450 home runs, almost 500 doubles, and a .318/.379/.553 slash line. Vlad did win an MVP with the Angels in 2004, but didn't win a batting title, career high was .337 with four seasons above .330, or significant statistical category at any point during his career. His numbers though were always very good. His OPS+ has him as an above average player every single season he played full-time in the Majors save for his final year with the Orioles. I like WAR, which doesn't make Vald seem like a slam dunk, but his OPS+ does measure up well with Hall of Famers, or players who belong in the Hall. With an OPS+ of 140 he's in line with Reggie Jackson, Larry Walker, and Gary Sheffield and slightly ahead of Tony Gwynn, Roberto Clemente, Dave Winfield and Al Kaline.
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