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Lord Foul's Bane by Stephen R. Donaldson
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did not like it

I've often lamented that five-star rating systems, such as the one used by GoodReads, don't allow for ratings lower than one star. Were it possible, I'd give this book negative stars; I think it actually sucks the quality away from books shelved near it, and generally makes the world a less joyful, less intelligent place to be.

You might assume from the previous statements that I dislike this book. Given that "dislike" is a pretty mild, milquetoast term on the sliding scale of affection, you would be wrong. I loathe this book. This is one of the very few novels I've ever literally thrown across a room once I'd finished it, and if I had the chance, I'd cheerfully do so again... preferably at Donaldson himself, were he within range.

Why? Let's start with the protagonist -- and please, don't even try to sell me on the notion that he's an anti-hero. Thomas Covenant is one of the most loathsome, self-involved creations ever to emerge from a writer's psyche, and the fact that he himself would agree with that assessment alleviates his repulsiveness not one bit. Covenant is whiny to the point of self-parody, self-pitying to the point of ego collapse, and constantly uses his (admittedly real) hardships as justification for not accepting responsibility for anything... including a heinous act of sexual violence which Donaldson thoughtfully sketches out for us just enough to make sure we don't miss the point: yes, Covenant really does rape a character after she's just healed him of his leprosy.

Ladies and gentlemen, Our Hero.

Of course, that's merely the most glaring flaw in a book chock full of awful. Donaldson's writing style gives new depth and nuance to the concept of "purple prose," and his "epic" story reads like an overcooked pastiche of Tolkien with some cheery "realism" (for which read "late 20th-century self-involvement") stirred in for flavor. I'd go on further, but honestly, there's only so long I can stomach kicking this dog of a novel before I feel the need to wash the taste of Donaldson's florid writing and his "hero" out of my brain.

I regret ever reading this book, and I am absolutely flabbergasted that it has enough readers and fans to have led to seven-count-'em-seven sequels as of this writing. I mean, sure, I know there's no accounting for taste, but damn.
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Mike (the Paladin) While I wasn't so...emphatic I must agree. My negative reaction to this book was almost visceral. It impressed me to the point I avoid anything by Donaldson.

Please accept a virtual high five.


Greg Moronic review


Mike (the Paladin) Really Greg....what a deep insightful critique. Of course that means there are a lot of us "morons" here. I agree with this review completely....

Covenant is a misogynistic, self centered, egoist who spends the bulk of the series bemoaning his life, making everyone around him miserable and refusing to face or accept (objective) reality.

It's too dangerous to believe you see...for three books.

So the writer spends 3 volumes (unless of course you forge through the SECOND TRILOGY) beating the same dead horse, with Covenant using the same arguments and facing every situation(s) almost the same way. The story in the trilogy could have been told better in a short 200 page volume.

Just my moronic opinion of course.


Greg This is a fiction book. The people that gave it poor ratings are concerned about his character. One idiot threw the book against the wall after he raped a girl! As we all know, rape is fiction, it never happens. This is a great series. To denigrate it because the main character is not likable is comical. It was WRITTEN that way. I am not foolish enough go think everyone should like it, but give a valid reason.


message 5: by Mike (the Paladin) (last edited Feb 28, 2015 02:25AM) (new) - rated it 1 star

Mike (the Paladin) Can't agree Greg. I try to include as few rapes in my reading (fictional and otherwise) as possible. The point of a fiction book "can be" to immerse ones self in the book's world.

Fell free to express your opinion, many agree with you and like the book. Feel free to disagree with opinions expressed in reviews... But calling names and simply pronouncing an opposing opinion "moronic" isn't disagreement. It's simply throwing a tantrum.

As noted (and this isn't my review, though if you go to it you'll be just as disenchanted) I find this book distasteful, I don't like the character and I don't care for the storytelling. Covenant takes forever to develop and the books almost spin in place for a while.

And no, I don't like the rape.

Now...I'm glad you like the books. Many do. But you aren't going to find universal approbation for any title.


message 6: by David (new) - added it

David I agree with Colin's review of this book. I loathed this book.


message 7: by Tom (new) - rated it 3 stars

Tom I think this is a very helpful review. I gave the book 3 stars because it is at least readable and mildly enjoyable, however the "hero" Covenant is a slightly annoying character. It also feels too much like Tolkien fan-fiction.


message 8: by ELC (new) - rated it 1 star

ELC I loathe my self for stupidly reading the book till the end :( bcos so many good review about this book, I kept thinking it must got better, so i kept going... At the end it just give me a pain in my head... What a traumatic experience :( :( :(


message 9: by Rudi (new) - rated it 1 star

Rudi Bracaglia Can we talk about how Donaldson attempted to bastardize Tolkien? Can we talk about this festering sore of a "anti-hero" who unequivocally spends the entire book whining and moaning about his leprosy in between committing atrocities to the point where I wished his tongue would rot out of his head just to shut him up? The rape itself is not what bothers me the most as appalling and despicable as it was. The fact is that this walking pustule never seems to learn or change or adapt to what is happening to him or react properly to how his actions impact others. By the end, surprise! he wakes up back in the hospital - still miserable, still emotionally stunted broken and seemingly completely nonchalant about what he just experienced. And from what I understand this mindless self loathing and destruction continues into the series. I'll pass.


message 10: by Misha (last edited Jul 07, 2016 02:37AM) (new) - rated it 1 star

Misha [redacted] wrote: "SDR is an accomplished martial artist. If you threw a book at him, you would be lying on the ground seeing stars and missing teeth, little boy."

I'm sorry, [redacted], but randos from the Internet don't get speaking privileges around here! Especially randos who feel a need to play the "my dad can kick your ass" card on an eight-year-old review of a shitty fantasy novel. Come back when you've stopped letting your mom cut your hair, "wordsmith," and maybe we can have a grown-up conversation. In the meantime, don't bother responding; anything else you write here will be deleted.

Have an outstanding day. ^_^


message 11: by Misha (new) - rated it 1 star

Misha [redacted] wrote: "How about you call me or message me at [redacted] and we meet up and shut your dicksucker for you, jackass? Not that you would say anything to my face anyway."

Oh, you're adorable. Do you kiss your mother with that mouth? After she's finished breastfeeding you and dropping off your allowance for the week, I mean.

Bye, Felicia! ^_^


message 12: by Misha (new) - rated it 1 star

Misha [redacted] wrote: "Here it, is, son, posted on my page. A 100% serious offer. I know you're a chickenshit bitch who only feels safe hiding behind a computer screen trying pathetically to insult people that will never have the balls to take me up on it. But the bottom line is that no one tells [redacted] when and when not to post and what and what not to post. I'm 100% serious about wanting a piece of your bitch ass. Now I'm telling you, either take me up on it and meet me in person - or STFU!"

My goodness, aren't you just the cutest little thing!

As I said before, [redacted], randos from the Internet don't get speaking privileges around here. You've been amusing me, which is why I've preserved your comments in quoted form. Your obviously sincere suggestion that we "meet up" so we can have ourselves a little grade-school fistfight has had me laughing all morning. The joke is getting pretty tired at this point, though, and I've got other trolls to fry, so I'm done playing with you. Any future comments you care to post here will be laughed at, then deleted. If you need to whine and cry about it on Facebook, that's your prerogative, but honestly, it just makes you look weak and sad.

Oh, and as for "wanting a piece of [my] bitch ass," I'm sorry to let you down, but I don't think of you in that way, and besides which, I'm happily married. They have dating services and hookup spots for what you're looking for, even in southwest Alabama, so I'm sure you'll bounce back soon.

Run along, now. I'm bored, and I'm sure you've got another "epic high fantasy" novel to write.

Toodles! ^_^


message 13: by Noah (new) - rated it 4 stars

Noah M I mean you're entitled to your own ignorance


message 14: by Misha (new) - rated it 1 star

Misha Noa wrote: "I mean you're entitled to your own ignorance"

And now, thanks to the magic of the Internet, you're entitled to my ignorance, too! ^_^ Toodles!


Andreas Johnson Ok, it’s one thing to not like a book, I mean in this case its rather understandable: to say that the narrative style of Thomas Covenant is “challenging” would be a severe understatement. However, I think it is another thing entirely to give such a low rating and claim that the book is poorly written.

I think the series profoundly explores a lot of the paradox that exists in the human psyche and, when you look at it in more a metaphysical view, existence and matter itself. I fail to understand how an artist who can make you hate their character as much as you obviously do Covenant can also be a complete failure in his writing, especially since his goal was entirely that. You’re supposed to hate Covenant, right? So is it not fair to say that he succeeded as a writer? Not to mention this paradox of a hero is, in my opinion, a nearly perfect narrative device to explore the nature of consciousness and the universe itself, idk I might just be uneducated and assigning meaning and validation where it isn’t worth, but I think you have seriously misjudged this book.

You don’t have to like a book for it to be a well-written book; this series, as I understand it, was the life work of Donaldson, and I think it’s unfair to shit on his most valued creation because its main character disgusted you.


message 16: by Paddy (new)

Paddy Holy crap, I don't know where to even begin with your take on it Andreas. Jesus...

Colin, I say we take off and nuke the site from orbit - it's the only way to be sure at this stage.


message 17: by Tibor (new) - rated it 1 star

Tibor Merlak exactly! Very good review.


Terry Lynn Corsello I think andreas understood the book quite well. There is a reason Thomas Covenant is so loathsome.


message 19: by Lars (new) - rated it 4 stars

Lars Dradrach I tend to agree with you Colin, i remember it as somewhat unpleasant as well, amazingly I seem to have bestowed 4 stars on it, maybe time to review my old ratings


message 20: by Kenneth (new)

Kenneth Ch'Ng This review is crap! Almost feel as though you have a thing against the author. You’re right to say that Thomas is not a nice man but that’s what the author wanted you to understand so you don’t place too much hope in him. But every man is redeemable. Faced with some stark choices he made the right one.. if you read on and the stories develop and unveil.


message 21: by Joe (new) - rated it 5 stars

Joe Mahoney I've read all the books in the series and the first three twice. I hated the rape scene when I first read it, hated Covenant (wanted to bite the book as hard as I could and throw it across the room), finished it anyway, and went on anyway with a kind of morbid fascination. In time, I came to love the books, especially after I realized what Donaldson was up to. Covenant is a perfectly realized character, his every action derives from the essence of his conflict. Donaldson's writing is astonishingly vivid and precise. No, it's not for everyone. What is? We are all entitled to our opinions. I respect yours. But I love this book.


message 22: by Ed (new)

Ed Ed ok fine - thomas is self- loathsome. If you were a leper - and here I'm assuming you have the self-awareness to put yourself in someone else's shoes - do you really think the average person in those shoes would act differently? If you had debilitating, fatal illness, and suddenly found yourself in a fantasy world where you were the foretold hero, how would you act? This is a story about how a terminally ill character acted. Yes, he is an anti-hero, thrust into a role he didn't ask for and doesn't want. Unfortunately, this resounds with many readers. Perhaps if you got off your virtue-signalling high-horse, you might be able to allow that others might feel differently than you do, and they are no lesser because of that fact. Get over yourself.


Robert Willey I loved it.


message 24: by Kay (new)

Kay Covington Just keeping this review in action😂I haven’t read the book. I was checking out the reviews first...this one was pretty damn entertaining! I’m not sure why so many GR people take reviews so personally. I read reviews from lowest first skip the middle and go to the highest. That way I can best figure out if it’s right for me(🤞🏻hopefully anyway). I feel like I need more information on the physco convo 4 years ago🙃That was on another level. Here’s to hoping everyone enjoys their next book choice 🍻


message 25: by Nihal (new) - rated it 1 star

Nihal Vrana This was one of the best reviews I read in Goodreads, I enjoyed it more than the book itself :)


Robert Willey I guess I can assume you will not be reading any of the 5 books that follow?? 😊 Many people despise Thomas, but, because he was indeed such a "anti-hero", I thought it made the book stand out. Been many years since I read the Covenant series, but I would like to revisit.


David While I get why some wouldn't want to read a book where the main character is Thomas Covenant, I fail to see how that's a "flaw." As if it's objectively incorrect to write a book about a deeply flawed person that's very hard to like and root for. Is that not a valid idea for a book?


message 28: by Brent Hemshall (new)

Brent Hemshall Good God, one of my fav stories. Read it three times over! It's certainly a frustrating read, but that's what makes it intriguing for my part. Oh well, each to there own. JBH


message 29: by Brent Hemshall (new)

Brent Hemshall Update - first and second chronicles 3 times over!! JBH


Richard Perhaps you didn't realize what you were in for and/or you don't enjoy stories about anti-heroes. Understandable, if so. At any rate, something pushed a button. For many people it's the rape that occurs early in the book. They can't make it beyond that point. Not sure what to say to that except that it's part of Thomas Covenant's character, and that your base reaction is the one the author intended, though I'm sure he wanted you to keep reading.


message 31: by Kris (new)

Kris some readers should stick to young adult material rather than critiquing material that is clearly beyond them


Charly I didn’t even get as part as the rape before I gave up. I genuinely don’t need to be repeatedly beat over the head with a sledgehammer the way Donaldson does with his fans. I. GOT. IT. THE. FIRST. TIME. It’s not horrible to have a repetition several dozen pages later, but the overwrought prose that blathers on and on and on in order to pad out the word count is something I just can’t bear.

(See what I did there, fans of this book?)


message 33: by Elena (new) - rated it 1 star

Elena +1 literally did throw across the room. Multiple times. Seriously eiww.


message 34: by Elena (new) - rated it 1 star

Elena yeah and that's my real name, it doesn't get used in books often so the idea of this book makes me sick. Also I was teen when I read this book.
Some of the commenters here don't realise the irony of their use of "stereotype" in its context here :eyebrow-raise: way to sound like an incel


message 35: by Tegan (new)

Tegan Misha, your review is still making dudebros mad today which is impressive in of itself


Robert Willey I liked it


message 37: by Jan (new)

Jan Fairburn I read them up to a point....damn he then wrote more...which I left...I too did not enjoy the character, the prose, the maudlin self=pity...the constant referring back to the rape scene...you made your point, no need to hark on! I read the ones I did as I am determined sometimes to not let a saga beat me and "friends" suggested it a good read. Who needs enemies eh? The overuse of mien....OMG you so obvs ate a thesaurus so for crying out loud vary that one a bit!


Orinoco Womble (tidy bag and all) "Encarnadined" was his favourite word. Being interpreted, it means plain old red.


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