Thanks, we wanted to have this default markup in there to get people started fast, since you tend to add these elements anyways. What is your take on this? Do you really remove it all the time?

I am good with making it a bit prettier :)

+1 for the default markup. I also don’t need to have it any prettier.
Just the empty list elements are looking awful.

You could replace:

<nav role="navigation">
    <ul>
        <li></li>
        <li></li>
        <li></li>
    </ul>
</nav>

with:

<nav role="navigation">
    <ul>
        <li><a href="">Link</a></li>
        <li><a href="">Link</a></li>
        <li><a href="">Link</a></li>
    </ul>
</nav>

I think that for the fast start "Hello world! This is init." is enough to see that templates grouped correctly. Extra markup is excess and maybe imposes tips how to write HTML. As for removing markup: in every project developers need to remove footer info about project.

@romamatusevich I guess we won’t agree here.
But the »need« to have those boilerplate markup is just my opinion.

In all objectivity:

• With the help of emmet there is no »pain« to add header and footer markup for me.
• on the other hand it’s no pain for you to hit backspace a couple of times to delete some markup.

I’m out … 🙉

Thanks for all the feedback here. You're both right, some people want less, some more markup.

I agree stripping out all inside of <main> and <footer> would improve things. I personally think all pages have a navigation and therefore the <nav> element is important to have here. I will talk with @drublic about this and try to improve it. :)

for the fast start "Hello world! This is init." is enough

True. Let's change <main>'s content.

In general I think it is easier to hit the delete button instead of adding anything.

I modified the content and made it simpler / clearer. Thanks for the suggestions, all! :)