Showing posts with label Robert Lee. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Robert Lee. Show all posts

Wednesday, March 21, 2012

If you enjoy variety, and old cars... dive into Antigosverdeamarelo.blogspot.com (Former Green Yellow) from Brazil... wow

 A Military Police Willys in Brazil in the 1950's I guess
 a Humber 12/20 photograph from 1911... wow,. I've never seen a Humber
and to blow my mind, a gallery of photos from the Robert Lee Museum! The Robert Lee Museum is one I've posted about a couple times, but nothing lately, Robert Lee was killed in 1975, the museum closed in 1993. The cars were pilfered, vandalised, and neglected for 18 rainy years. See more about the abandoned museum:http://justacarguy.blogspot.com/search/label/Robert%20Lee

http://antigosverdeamarelo.blogspot.com/2012/02/exposicao-museu-roberto-lee.html

Enjoy a lot more from http://antigosverdeamarelo.blogspot.com... I will be!

Monday, February 21, 2011

The Robert Lee Museum collection has been stuck in legal limbo so long, little remains, finally, the last 27 cars have been traded to the local govt

This Tucker is going to get fixed up, maybe superficially restored. All about the Tucker here: http://www.streetcustoms.com.br/revistas-carros/noticias/tucker-1035-de-roberto-lee-sera-restaurado.html

At one point in its history, it was placed on the chassis of a 1947 Cadillac Series 62, complete with the Cadillac’s drivetrain, firewall and dashboard. Some alterations to the body were also made, and it has suffered from random acts of vandalism over the last couple of decades. The city of Caçapava plans at least a cosmetic restoration of the Tucker prior to installing it in a municipal museum

Robert Lee was killed in 1975, the museum closed in 1993. The cars have been pilfered, vandalised, and neglected for 18 rainy years. See more about the abandoned museum: http://justacarguy.blogspot.com/search/label/Robert%20Lee

The way the local government was finally able to make a breakthrough in the war between the inheritors, was to trade the rotten brats a deal where they could develop all of the properties in the inheritance if they gave up the remains of the car collection. All the self centered dorks wanted was money, now they can make money off housing developements where the museum once was.

learned about it from http://blog.hemmings.com/index.php/2011/02/15/long-neglected-tucker-exhumed-headed-for-restoration

Thursday, December 11, 2008

Robert Lee's Museu de Caçapava, the lost museum

Above is the before.... below, the after



Above, before... below, after the 1964 Willy Capeta
"the photo above is the Willys Capeta, Soler design of the Hall for 1965 ... It looked like a mix of Willys Interlagos with DKW with Malzoni and Brasinca Uirapuru.Esse car was donated by Ford of Australia to be part of the acquis when The Museum was inaugurated ... the adhesive reflective of the team BINO, family Greco." from comments translated by Google




Robert Lee was assassinated by his wife, someone in high society with powerful friends, and it seems that the judge in the case absolved her due to "being taken by strong emotion" .
In Brazil, people are very angry with the authorities from Caçapava, that has let such a huge collection disappear. Nik at Carros Antigos has made all the news about that issue, including the other blogs and message boards where we are discussing that, listed here: http://carrosantigos.wordpress.com/2008/12/11/a-discussao-sobre-o-acervo-do-roberto-lee/

Here is the gallery of Lucas, who has before and after photos of the Tucker in the lost museum


From the framed prints on the wall being removed we can see that time passed. If I am correct, the top photo was 2004, the bottom was 2008. I could be wrong.
Remember: "we lost one, but let it be remembered by saving others" (Adam Rosenbaum, Portland Maine) http://justacarguy.blogspot.com/2006/11/we-lost-one-but-let-it-be-remembered.html

Once upon a car museum... in Brazil, the owner died. The heirs fought over the inheritance, it's unknown what became of the lost museums' treasures

Current state above of the museum

V12 engine and trans

In the good days when the museum was open


1932 BP-3 Alfa Romeo, Gran Prix (In 1936, the pilot suffered a serious accident in a race held on the streets of the South Zone of São Paulo, which resulted in the deaths of eight spectators. After the accident, the car went through numerous addresses until it was lost. Was found at a gas station in Ouro Preto, Minas Gerais, and incorporated into the Robert Lee museum.) 

and from the Alfa Romeo forum http://www.alfabb.com/bb/forums/limited-production-1910-1949/275057-lost-alfas-brazil.html

 (This bears no resemblance with a Tipo B / P3. No visible part is close to what should be expected on a Tipo B. I count 6 exhaust pipes where 8 are expected among others.

And Hellé-Nice had an accident at the wheel of an 8C2300 Monza, which is a two seaters. It was 2311213. Another Monza, which was presented as Hellé-Nice's but was not - except maybe for some parts rescued - was with the collection in early times, and was sold to England in the 80s. I understand that the car at stake here could have been described as a Ford special, but I cannot be sure it's the same car. What does fit the description is that it is presented as an Alfa Romeo, and is not.)
1929 Willys Whippet



1929 Cadillac pickup


1925 Packard 8 Phaeton

1931 Packard 845 Super 8 Cabriolet

The following is from the email I received from "CarrosAntiago" Nik!
Roberto Lee was the father and the mother of the idea that old cars must be preserved in Brazil.
He build in Caçapava, São Paulo, a museum that for many years received visitors from all the country. People who knew him at the time say he was always there receiving friends and anyone who wanted to visit some of the classic cars he collected for years.
Roberto traveled all around Brazil saving rare cars from being destroyed in a time that we still had a lot of them to be saved. The proof is that in his collection you can see a Tucker.
The problem is that Roberto has been assassinated by his wife in the mid 70s and since them the collection was destroyed by many people who even stole parts, cars, and bikes. It seems the daughter’s didn’t have the same opinion about it and then they are fighting for his fortune since then.
Meanwhile, the treasury is being lost.

The post is because we here in Brazil recently received new photos from the area and what was left from there and what we see is a shame. A shame to our memory, to the history of the automobile and to the legacy of Roberto Lee, he was a gentle and good man.

There was a prototype car made in Brazil in the early 60s, named Carcará (name of a small eagle from here), which is lost since the 70s, that seemed to be at Roberto’s museum. The car has a wonderful story, and is very important to OUR automotive records (traveled at 210km/h with a 3 cylinders engine, Latin America record for the category until today) but seems that was stolen after Roberto’s death.

The new pictures are here. http://picasaweb.google.com.br/lcorreard/MuseuDoAutomVelDeCaApava2008#
And the old ones from when the cars were still around and in good shape here. http://picasaweb.google.com.br/lcorreard/MuseuDoAutomVelDeCaApavaANTIGAMENTE#

I will try to go to Caçapava after Christmas. If I do get close of the cars to photograph them. I will let you know.
Best regards from the friend that also LOVE your web site, Nik.

PS: Are you crazy? The blog takes me a lot of time and you still want me to write it in english????
YES!