1992 Medford Philadelphia Phillies Photo Cards

Number of Cards:  46
Card Size:  4 1/8" x 6"

Description:  For the fourth year in a row, the card fronts feature a photo with the player's, coach's or manager's name in a red band with white text.  The card backs feature biographical information along with complete career statistics.  Medford Food Company sponsored the set for the second year in a row. 

In the spring of 1992, the new Phillies uniform were kept top secret and they didn't make their public debut until opening day.  The cards in this set feature portraits of all players, coaches and the manager in their new uniforms, and (in my opinion) this is one of the nicer team-issued photo card sets released by the Phillies.

How Distributed:  The original 36-card base set was available for sale at Veterans Stadium throughout the 1992 season.  The ten card update set was available for sale at some point beginning in late June or early July.  Pat Combs is the "newest" Phillie in the update set, having joined the team on June 18th.

Complete Standard Checklist (Unnumbered, presented here alphabetically with uniform number and position from the front of cards): 

1. Kyle Abbott (#47 - LHP) 2. Ruben Amaro (#33 - OF) 3. Andy Ashby (#40 - RHP) 4. Wally Backman (#6 - INF) 5. Kim Batiste (#5 - INF) 6. Larry Bowa (#2 - CO) 7. Cliff Brantley (#51 - LHP) 8. Wes Chamberlain (#44 - OF)            9. Danny Cox (#34 - RHP) 10. Darren Daulton (#10 - C) 11. Mariano Duncan (#7 - INF) 12. Lenny Dykstra (#4 - OF)

13. Jim Fregosi (#11 - MG) 14. Tommy Greene (#49 - RHP) 15. Dave Hollins (#15 - INF) 16. Barry Jones (#50 - RHP) 17. John Kruk (#29 - INF) 18. Steve Lake (#30 - C) 19. Jim Lindeman (#19 - OF) 20. Denis Menke (#14 - CO) 21. Mickey Morandini (#12 - INF) 22. Terry Mulholland (Close up photo - #45 - LHP)     23. Dale Murphy (#3 - OF) 24. Johnny Podres (#46 - CO)

25. Wally Ritchie (#39 - LHP) 26. Mel Roberts (#26 - CO) 27. Mike Ryan (#25 - CO) 28. Curt Schilling (#38 - RHP)        29. Steve Searcy (#24 - LHP) 30. Dale Sveum (#8 - INF) 31. John Vukovich (#18 - CO) 32. Mitch Williams (#28 - LHP)     33. Phillie Phanatic 34. Phillies Team 35. Veterans Stadium 36. Uniforms Through the Years

Complete Update Checklist (Unnumbered, presented here alphabetically with uniform number and position from the front of cards):

1. Bob Ayrault (#55 - RHP) 2. Brad Brink (#23 - RHP) 3. Pat Combs (#21 - LHP)        4. Jeff Grotewold (#48 - C)

5. Mike Hartley (#42 - RHP) 6. Ricky Jordan (#17 - INF/OF)        7. Tom Marsh (#9 - OF)

8. Terry Mulholland (Shoulders visible - #45 - LHP) 9. Ben Rivera (#34 - RHP) 10. Don Robinson (#35 - RHP)

One and Only Phillies Baseball Card (1):  Robinson

First Appearance in Phillies Team Issued Set (13):  Abbott, Amaro, Ayrault, Batiste, Brantley, Duncan, Grotewold, Hartley, Jones, Marsh, Rivera, Schilling, Sveum
Returning Players in Phillies Team Issued Set (21):  Ashby, Backman, Brink, Chamberlain, Combs, Cox, Daulton, Dykstra, Greene, Hollins, Jordan, Kruk, Lake, Lindeman, Morandini, Mulholland (two versions), Murphy, Ritchie, Searcy, Williams

Don Robinson's eight game stint with the Phillies to wrap up his 15-year career is commemorated with his sole Phillies baseball card in the update set.

Managers (1):  Fregosi
Coaches (6):  Bowa, Menke, Podres, Roberts, Ryan, Vukovich

Phillie Phanatic (1):  Like everyone else in the set, the Phanatic is posed in a studio setting, wearing his new uniform.

Broadcasters (0)
Commemorative Cards (1):  Uniforms Through the Years
Other Cards (2):  Phillies Team, Veterans Stadium

The Uniform Through the Years card is perhaps one of the coolest cards ever produced by the Phillies for its team-issued photo card sets.  It was originally given out on Opening Day as a poster.  Veterans Stadium gets its first card since the 1984 Tastykake Phillies set.

Set Composition:  The 25 players in the base set represent the entire opening day roster, which is a fairly impressive feat.  The nine new players in the update set feature players who made their season debut with the team between mid-April (Grotewold) and mid-June (Combs).  For some reason, Mulholland receives another card in the update set, with a different posed photo than the original base set.  

Omissions:  Those who could have had cards in the update set but were omitted are Julio Peguero, Darrin Chapin and Steve Scarsone.  Peguero was called up on the second day of the season after Dykstra suffered a broken hand on opening day.  Chapin was on the active roster for six games in late April/early May, and Scarsone was on the active roster for 18 games in May into early June.

Variations/Rarities:  In the original post for this set, fellow collectors Rick and Steve helped me piece together a checklist of photo cards available at the annual ALS Autograph Party.  The checklist below features four players who were on the active roster, but had not appeared on officially released photo cards by the time of the annual fund raising event, held on August 10th.  Mike Williams received a card, and must have been at the event, although the team's transaction log shows him being optioned to Scranton/Wilkes-Barre on July 29th.  Only Greg Mathews was omitted here, which is odd, as the pitcher had been recalled from Triple-A on July 17th and stayed with the team for the remainder of the season.

Along with these five "update" cards for recently added players, 12 more cards were produced for either returning Phillies alumni or other, non-alumni former players.

ALS Autograph Party 1. Dick Allen 2. Jay Baller (#56 - RHP)           3. Steve Bedrosian 4. Dave Cash 5. Joe Coleman, Jr.

6. Joe Coleman, Sr. 7. Stan Javier (#22 - OF) 8. Sparky Lyle       9. Garry Maddox 10. Tug McGraw 11. Joe Millette (#27 - INF)

12. Dickie Noles 13. Todd Pratt (#23 - C) 14. Bobby Shantz 15. Joe Torre 16. Elmer Valo 17. Mike Williams (#41 - RHP)

Also See:  Scrapbook Sunday: April 7, 1992; Uniforms Through the Years

Resources:  Beckett.com; Phillies collectors Rick (@rickphils) and Steve F.

This set was originally featured in a post back in November 2014, and I'm going through these older team-issued set posts to update them with new information learned (if any) over the past six years.

1991 Medford Philadelphia Phillies Photo Cards / 1993 Medford Philadelphia Phillies Photo Cards

1980-1999 Phillies Team-Issued Photo Cards Want List / Phillies Team Issued Sets Index Page

Phillies at Marlins: July 1st to July 3rd

Tuesday and Wednesday 7:10, Thursday 6:10
Marlins Park - Miami, FL

Phillies 36-46, 5th Place, 8 1/2 games behind the Braves
Marlins 39-43, 3rd Place, 5 1/2 games behind the Braves

Phillies Probables:  A.J. Burnett (5-7, 3.89), Cole Hamels (2-4, 2.84), Kyle Kendrick (3-8, 4.22)
Marlins Probables:  Henderson Alvarez (5-3, 2.32), Tom Koehler (5-6, 3.70), Nathan Eovaldi (5-3, 3.71)

At the Ballpark:  Other than some ticket specials and fireworks following the game on Thursday night, the only thing happening at Marlins Park is two floundering N.L. East teams squaring off against one another.

Phillies Leaders

Average:  Chase Utley - .293

Runs:  Chase Utley - 45

Home Runs:  Marlon Byrd - 15

RBIs:  Ryan Howard - 51

Stolen Bases:  Ben Revere - 23

Wins:  A.J. Burnett - 5

ERA:  Cole Hamels - 2.84

Strikeouts:  Cole Hamels - 91

Saves:  Jonathan Papelbon - 18

1988 Topps Traded #30T and #71T

1988 Topps Appreciation:  I touched on my disdain for the Team USA cards found within the 1988 Topps Traded set in my last series preview post, but the upcoming 4th of July holiday has me in a patriotic mood and I'm willing to briefly forgive Topps for not including a Phillies card for Bob Dernier within its 1988 set.

Counting Jim Poole, who pitched briefly for the Phillies in 1999, there are three future Phillies within the 1988 Topps Traded USA team set.

Pitcher Pat Combs was already Phillies property by the time the Topps Traded set was released, having been drafted by the team that June and signing shortly thereafter.  He made his Major League debut in September 1989, and had everyone extremely excited for the 1990 season when he went 4-0 in six starts with a 2.09 ERA.  Combs showed flashes of brilliance during the next three seasons with the Phils, but arm troubles precluded him from ever regaining the nearly untouchable status he attained in September 1989.

Second baseman Mickey Morandini was also selected by the Phillies in the June 1988 draft, but he waited until September 1990 to make his big league debut.  Morandini played with the Phillies for nine seasons, and he's now a coach for the Triple-A Lehigh Valley IronPigs.

1990 Topps Phillies

1990 Topps #515, #710, #542 and #469

The early '90s were an awkward time for me.  I was an awkward teenager with awkward hair and awkward acne collecting awkward baseball cards.  Flipping through my binder of 1990 Phillies cards recently, there was one overriding theme - these cards did not age well.  Cards from the '50s and '60s are classics, cards from the '70s are cool and cards from the '80s remind me of a happy childhood.  Cards from the '90s are . . . awkward.

1990 Topps #542 (Back)

The Set

Number of cards in the set:  No surprises here.  There were 792 cards in the base set and another 132 cards added to the traded series for the ninth year in a row.  (There would be two more years with this configuration before Topps mixed it up in 1993.)

My very brief thoughts on the set:  It amazes me that the creative people at Topps actually gave the green light to this set.  There are too many posed shots and there are too many orange and purple and green Phillies cards.  It's not an attractive set and it may actually be my least favorite Topps flagship set of all time.  If anyone cares to defend this set and show me the error of my ways, please leave a comment.  (I just re-read those last few sentences.  I honestly don't mean to come off as angry about the 1990 Topps set.  I still managed to hand collate the set back in the day, so I wasn't completely disgusted by it.) 

Notable competition:  If I was forced to pick a favorite set from 1990, I'd have to go with Score's set.  Donruss did this, Fleer had a completely uninspiring design, and Upper Deck basically just copied their 1989 design but rotated the base line to the top of the card.  The Leaf set was cool, but they didn't sell packs of Leaf at my Wawa and even if they did, the packs would have been too expensive for me.

1990 Topps #216, #297, #269 and #577

1990 Phillies

Record and finish:  The Phillies actually showed some signs of life in 1990, going 77-85.  They finished in a fourth-place tie, 18 games behind the Pirates.

Key players:  Lenny Dykstra flirted with the National League batting title all season, finishing the year with a .325 average.  Von Hayes (.261, 17 home runs, 73 RBIs) and Darren Daulton (.268, 12 home runs, 57 RBIs) also enjoyed decent years.  John Kruk hit .291 in his first full season with the Phils.  Pat Combs (10-10, 4.07 ERA) and Terry Mulholland (9-10, 3.34 ERA) gave the team two reliable starting pitchers for the first time in a few years.  Roger McDowell (22 saves), Darrel Akerfelds (3.77 ERA in 71 games) and Joe Boever (2.15 ERA, 6 saves) anchored the bullpen.

Key events:  On August 3rd, in a trade that blew my mind at the time, the Phillies acquired Dale Murphy from the Braves (with Tommy Greene) for Jeff Parrett, Jim Vatcher and Victor Rosario.  I was thrilled when this move was made, as it seemed (at the time) that Murphy was the final piece the Phillies were seeking to put them over the top.  Mulholland pitched the first no-hitter by a Phillies pitcher at Veterans Stadium on August 15th.

1990 Phillies in 1990 Topps

Cards needed for a complete team set:  There are 29 Phillies cards in the base set and another 3 Phillies cards in the traded set.

Who’s in:

• Cards of the eight starting position players - 8 cards

#542 Darren Daulton (c), #216 Ricky Jordan (1b), #297 Tom Herr (2b), #269 Dickie Thon (ss), #577 Charlie Hayes (3b), #469 John Kruk (lf), #515 Lenny Dykstra (cf), #710 Von Hayes (rf)

• Cards of the starting pitching rotation - 4 cards

#384 Pat Combs, #657 Terry Mulholland, #22 Bruce Ruffin, #756 Ken Howell

1990 Topps #384, #657, #22 and #756

• Base cards of players who played with the Phillies in 1990 - 14 cards

#39 Curt Ford, #69 Todd Frohwirth, #103 Marvin Freeman, #129 Ron Jones, #183 Steve Lake, #356 Randy Ready, #439 Jeff Parrett, #493 Jason Grimsley, #625 Roger McDowell, #633 Dennis Cook, #731 Don Carman, #1T Darrel Akerfelds, #41T Dave Hollins, #68T Carmelo Martinez

• Base cards of players who didn't play with the Phillies in 1990 - 3 cards (with new teams listed)

#154 Mike Maddux (Dodgers), #204 Bob Dernier (Retired), #607 Steve Jeltz (Royals)

• #1 Draft Pick card - 1 card, #74 Jeff Jackson
• Manager card - 1 card, #489 Nick Leyva
• Phillies appearing on Turn Back the Clock cards - 1 card, #662 Mike Schmidt

As much as I didn't care for the set, I was grateful that Topps gave us one last Schmidt card following the year he retired.  His 1980 Topps card is featured on the card looking back to ten years prior. 

1990 Topps #625, #633, 1990 Topps Traded #1T and 1990 Topps #750

Who’s out:  It would have been awesome if Murphy had been included in the traded set, but he was left out.  (Both Fleer and Score managed to work him into their update sets.)  Jose DeJesus, acquired in a March trade with the Royals, should have also made it into the traded set.  DeJesus went 7-8 in 22 starts for the Phils.  There are also quite a few bench guys, rookies and relievers deserving of cards, including Rod Booker (73 games), Sil Campusano (66 games), Mickey Morandini (made his debut in September), and Boever.

Phillies on other teams:  Martinez appears with the Pirates on card #686 and he made it into the traded series as a Phillie.  Four players only had cards with the former teams - #410 Joe Boever (Braves), #534 Louie Meadows (Astros), #595 Jose DeJesus (Royals), #750 Dale Murphy (Braves).

1990 Topps #662

What’s he doing here:  A few years back, the player's union came up with a bunch of baseball card related rules that prevented Topps (and Upper Deck at the time) from including players in "main" sets who were not on team's 40-man rosters.  It's a good rule.  I remember opening a pack of 1990 Topps cards and coming across the card of Phillies top draft pick Jeff Jackson and thinking "Why?"  I didn't want cards of draft picks.  I wanted cards of players whose names I was seeing in box scores - the utility guys, middle relievers and defensive replacements.  Jackson never made it to the majors as he kicked around the minors until hanging up his spikes in 1998.  I mean no disrespect to Jackson here, but I would have rather pulled a card of Chuck McElroy.  

Cards that never were candidates:  Murphy, Boever, DeJesus, Booker, Campusano and Morandini.  I'll also add Wes Chamberlain to the long list, as Chamberlain was acquired from the Pirates at the end of August and hit .283 in 18 games.

Favorite Phillies card:  I'll go with Kruk's card, by default.  Kruk is pictured with his pre-beard and mullet look.

Other Stuff

Recycled:  As far as I know, Topps hasn't gone back to this design for any Phillies cards.  And why would they?  I took a stab at creating a final tribute Schmidt card a few years ago.

Blogs/Websites:  I can't say I'm shocked there isn't a blog dedicated to this set.  However, I love that Shoebox Legends did a series of posts highlighting his favorite cards from his "guilty pleasure" set.  I'd also like to highly recommend The Greatest 21 Days, which is highlighting each and every card from the 1990 CMC minor league set.  

Did You Know?:  Other than a few oddball issues, Schmidt wouldn't be featured on another mainstream baseball card until 1994's Ted Williams set.  When these new Schmidt cards were released, it was big news for me at the time and I remember actively seeking out his cards from the main Ted Williams set and the special 9-card insert set which chronicled the slugger's career.  It seems strange now to go three to four years without a new baseball card of a Hall of Famer.  Over the past few years especially, it seems as if Schmidt is featured in just about every "legends" based insert set that Topps releases.

1989 Topps Phillies - Missing Links (Incomplete)

I've mentioned in a few posts already how I began the process a few years back of creating Topps Phillies cards for those unfortunate few players omitted from the Topps base or traded series for the year(s) they wore red/burgundy pinstripes.  To date, I have created a complete run of missing link players from 1980 through 1988.  I got to 1989 . . . and completely stalled out.

There were 19 players who appeared with the Phils in 1989 who did not merit a Topps baseball card that year.  I started creating the cards and then, to be perfectly honest, I completely lost interest in the project.  I guess Floyd Youmans and Gordan Dillard and Jim Adduci will do that to a guy.  (As a side note, it was very difficult for me to replicate the curvature of the player's name on the 1989 Topps cards.  I found I had to rotate and adjust each letter to get the right look.  This probably contributed to the abandonment of the project.)

In any event, here are the five cards I did manage to complete.  The remaining 14 will hopefully be completed at some point.  After all, how could we live in a world in which Steve Stanicek doesn't have a 1989 Topps Phillies card?

PR2

PR3

PR7

PR9

PR10

And in case you're wondering, here are the 14 players still missing 1989 Topps Phillies cards:  Jim Adduci, Dennis Cook, Gordon Dillard, Curt Ford, Charlie Hayes, Terry Mulholland, Dwayne Murphy, Tom Nieto, Randy O'Neal, Al Pardo, Mark Ryal, Bob Sebra, Steve Stanicek and Floyd Youmans.

1990 Donruss Phillies

1990 Donruss #194, #278, #160 and #251

As I had feared, I've grown incredibly bored with the retrospection posts chronicling the Phillies Topps cards over the past sixty years.  I'm not getting nearly as many page views as I had hoped for, and I've had only a few new followers since I started the series.  So I'm scrapping the entire idea.  Besides, I've recently decided to package up all my vintage baseball cards and have them professionally graded.

Going forward, I'll be focusing on cards from mega-rare sets few collectors have ever seen, let alone dared to collect.  I'm kicking off this new series with one of the most universally beloved baseball card sets of all time - 1990 Donruss.

The Set

Number of cards in the set:  716 glorious cards.

My very brief thoughts on the set:  The reddish-orangeish borders, the reckless (but classy) paint-splattered sides, the cursive name at the top and the unmatched player selection - it's all here.

Notable competition:  None.

1990 Donruss #21, #133, #643 and #168

1990 Phillies

Record and finish:  Nick Leyva's squad finished 77-85 and in fourth place in the National League East.

Key players:  Darren Daulton, Von Hayes, Pat Combs and Roger McDowell.

Key events:  1990 Donruss was released.  Everything else was secondary.

1990 Phillies in 1990 Donruss

Cards needed for a complete team set:  There are 24 cards in the 1990 Donruss Phillies team set.

Who’s in:  24 very, very lucky Phillies players.

Who’s out:  Bruce Ruffin does not appear in the set, although it's been rumored for years that a collector in Des Moines has a Ruffin proof card, which would have been number 717 in the set.

Phillies on other teams:  Dale Murphy (#168), Joe Boever (#357) and Tommy Greene (#576) all appear with the Braves, while Carmelo Martinez (#482) appears with the Pirates.

What’s he doing here:  Sadly, the Steve Jeltz era came to an end when the Phillies traded him to the Royals in March.  He's featured on card #133 - easily one of the more sought after cards in the set.

Cards that never were candidates:  The thought of Dale Murphy in a Phillies uniform on a 1990 Donruss card almost brings tears of joy.

Favorite Phillies card:  Who doesn't remember the magical summer of '90, searching in vain for unopened packs of 1990 Donruss, trying to complete the elusive Combs Rainbow?  Behold, for the first time ever, all three cards presented together - 

1990 Donruss #44, 1990 Donruss NL Best #49, 1990 Donruss Rookies #3

Other Stuff

Recycled:  Unbelievably, not one baseball card company has re-used this majestic design for any retro-based sets.

Blogs/Websites:  To date, there isn't one blog out there detailing each and every card from the 1990 Donruss set, until now.  I've just launched a new blog that will display each and every one of these 716 cards and the stories that go with them.

Did You Know?:  I probably have too much free time on my hands.

1989 Bowman #398 Pat Combs

Padres 3, Phillies 1

Game 56 - Monday Night, June 7th in Philadelphia

I'm just not feeling it tonight. It was another lackluster loss for the Phillies, as they were shut out through 8 innings by two pitchers I've never heard of before tonight - Wade LeBlanc and Luke Gregerson. Cole Hamels took a no-hitter into the 7th inning, but allowed back-to-back home runs to Adrian Gonzalez and Scott Hairston to end the no-hitter, the shutout and essentially, the game. Jayson Werth grounded into a double play in the 1st with the bases loaded and struck out in the 9th to end the game. Blech.

Drafty: With the 27th pick in this year's First-Year Player Draft, the Phillies selected local product Jesse Biddle. Biddle is a left-handed pitcher from nearby Germantown Friends High School. He's the fourth left-handed pitcher selected by the Phillies with their 1st round pick since 1988. The others were Pat Combs (1988), Hamels (2002) and Joe Savery (2007).

Scrapbook Sunday: June 16, 1991

1992 Donruss #384 Wes Chamberlain

1992 Topps #456 Pat Combs

1992 Upper Deck #350 Wally Backman

1992 Stadium Club #156 Joe Boever

Turn back the clock games are fairly commonplace now, but that wasn't always the case. In June 1991, the Phillies tried the promotion for the first time, wearing retro uniforms from 1957. It was very, very strange to watch the Phils play a game in something other than their familiar maroon and white uniforms. So strange in fact, I distinctly remember videotaping this game for posterity. (The Phillies announcers did the pre-game opening in vintage '50s gear and the first few minutes of the broadcast was in black and white. I recall Andy Musser looked particularly out of place.)

The retro uniforms didn't help the Phils against the World Champion Reds in this game, as the team lost for the seventh time in eight games. Pat Combs was hammered, Dickie Thon made a crucial error in the 9th inning and Wes Chamberlain's first home run of the year was wasted.

Retro Cards: Pictures of the Phillies wearing these uniforms turned up on several baseball cards in late 1991 and throughout 1992, as follows:

1991 Medford Phillies Update #39 Wally Ritchie

1992 Donruss #384 Wes Chamberlain, #493 Joe Boever, #614 Danny Cox (back), #631 Wally Ritchie (back)

1992 Stadium Club #156 Joe Boever

1992 Topps #331 Steve Lake, #456 Pat Combs, #754 Charlie Hayes

1992 Triple Play #128 Andy Ashby, #220 Mitch Williams

1992 Upper Deck #350 Wally Backman, #402 Joe Boever, #410 Mitch Williams (back), #442 Pat Combs (back), #567 Tommy Greene

Dale Murphy shows up wearing a retro uniform on his 1991 Studio card (#220), but I didn't count that here as it's a staged studio shot. Pitchers Tommy Greene, Wally Ritchie and Mitch Williams show up on cards wearing their retro uniforms, even though they didn't pitch in the game.

1990 Baseball Cards Magazine Repli-Cards

1990 Baseball Cards Magazine Repli-Cards - #20 Von Hayes, #32 Pat Combs

Following the pattern established the previous year, Baseball Cards Magazine again included six repli-cards within each issue throughout 1990. For this 72-card set, the magazine used the 1969 Topps design. Only two Phillies made it into the set - outfielder Von Hayes and rookie pitcher Pat Combs.

The back of Von Hayes' card makes mention of the "famous" five-for-one trade which brought him to Philly. It also points out Von is "one of the game's best-kept secrets." I was never a huge Von Hayes fan, but I think this is an awesome card. The 1969 Topps design works well here even though it's obscuring the brim of Von's hat. The Wrigley Field score board in the background is an added bonus.

Injuries would curtail Pat Combs' career and he never quite regained the success he found in 1989 when he jumped from A ball all the way to the Majors. Combs went 4-0 with a 2.09 ERA in his six starts with the Phils in 1989. (Dean Wilkins pitched in 25 games with the Cubs from 1989 to 1991, finishing with a 7.55 career ERA.)

1991 Topps Toys R Us Rookies #6 Pat Combs

It's 3:15 in the morning and my wife is shopping. The plan was for her to meet her friend Michele at Toys R Us to scope out the Black Friday Doorbuster deals by half past three. (The Toys R Us in our area opened at midnight.) After that, it's on to Target, Best Buy and maybe Kohl's. I'm annually impressed by her enthusiasm for Black Friday and the crazy amount of money she saves on Christmas gifts in exchange for a lack of sleep.

Me? I'm still sleeping. I've scheduled this post to appear just in case Jenna decides to take an early morning shopping break and check the blog. (The chances of this happening are slim.)