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Thursday, January 18, 2024

Eldon Cargo Plane (Convair R3Y Tradewind Flying Boat) - ANOTHER UPDATE Yes There Was A Larger Version

Mystery solved Scooby Doo! Many Thanx to reader Robert from Norwich for determining that the larger Eldon Cargo Plane did in fact exist and was made to accommodate the larger vehicles. Robert found his information on WorthPoint - a source that, quite frankly, I simply don't use. (Why? Dunno. Just never got in the habit I s'pose). So, apparently Eldon produced this larger version in blue and red, with red, white, and blue vehicles. They also produced a silver one with the same olive drab vehicles I have. There's still one little mystery I don't think we'll ever solve. As a general rule, toy companies didn't make a large version, then shortly afterward make a small version of any given toy. The No. 902 "Cargo Plane" is listed as 20"L. The later, No. 850:98 "U.S. Navy Cargo Plane" measures 11 1/4"L. It's odd in that re-tooling just to downsize must have been expensive - so why bother? I can speculate and come up with different scenarios all day long, but the fact remains, Eldon mysteriously made two versions of the same type of plane. It are what it is! Enjoy! Opa Fritz


Eldon No. 902 Cargo Plane
Catalog extract.

Here's what the multi-color, large version of the plane looks like.
Courtesy WorthPoint

Courtesy WorthPoint

Courtesy WorthPoint

My toys: Later version, small plane with early version large vehicles.

My toys: Smaller Eldon No. 850-98 U.S. Navy Cargo Plane with small vehicles


Tuesday, January 16, 2024

No. 902 Cargo Plane (Convair R3Y Tradewind Flying Boat) - UPDATE 2nd Version Identified, is Now No. 850:98

Four days ago I posted a lovely Eldon No. 902 Cargo Plane I believe was based on the Convair R3Y Tradewind Flying Boat. Over the years I had acquired two of these, each with a different set of vehicles. Since then I've come a cross some information which helps solve a little mystery. Enjoy! Opa Fritz

Disclaimer: I took the photos of the toy nearly two years ago before investigating this thing in detail. As a result there may be a disconnect in my photos and what I've learned actually comprised the two sets.

Based on several catalog pages and ads, it appears as if these planes were initially released with three vehicles that didn't actually fit inside the plane, despite what the catalog would have one believe. The catalog page you see here also states the plane is 20"L while mine only measures 11 1/4"L. I find it hard to believe Eldon would totally revamp its tooling in just a couple of years to accommodate the vehicles. It's more likely this was another artists rendering showing the proposed product but somewhere along the line Eldon had to change their plans and went with a smaller sized plane instead. Unless someone out there in the collecting world can show an actual example of this larger 20" plane, my guess is that Eldon sold the smaller plane with larger vehicles in some form of display box. Later, they would re-package it under another stock number with smaller vehicles. Just a working theory of course waiting for validation.

Set No 902 Cargo Plane



I am now convinced the set above would NOT have had the cardboard wrap as shown in these two-year old photos.



Set No. 850:98 U.S. Navy Cargo Plane

In the previous post, I speculated that the smaller vehicles shown in the photo below, were included in a latter set. Guess what? I was right!

The Jeep is missing from my set.

Perusing through files on my computer I came across this page from the 1961 Supplee-Biddle-Steltz Co. catalog (ad culled from eBay). From the looks of the page it appears as if this company was a distributor, not a retailer as it shows how many items are packed to a carton. Retail catalogs typically don't reflect that type of shipping information. 

It lists the plane as a "U.S. Navy Cargo Plane" - not just a "Cargo Plane" as the earlier catalog lists it. The SBS page also says it's Navy blue in color - vs. the multi-color aircraft shown in the earlier catalog. Also, the vehicles shown are clearly smaller and of different types than the earlier catalog lists them as. The SBS page doesn't show the ramp, but I'll make another educated guess that it was most likely part of the set. I am missing the Jeep as shown in the SBS ad.




Below: The additional information confirms that the small vehicles came with the airplane which had this simple cardboard wrap. The wrap clearly states it's a "U.S. Navy Cargo Plane" as reflected in the SBS ad. AND it no longer is identified as No. 902. The wrap shows this set to be "Stock No. 850:98". The ramp and vehicles are all small enough to fit into the fuselage of the plane.


Friday, January 12, 2024

Eldon No. 902 Cargo Plane (Convair R3Y Tradewind Flying Boat)

This post is about a project that has been years in the making - much like my current 'It's A Small World" series. I'm a big fan of Eldon toys, having had them as a kid as well as latching on to a fair amount as a collector. This particular post came about when I bought one of these cargo planes many years ago. My first purchase was the plane (missing outrigger pontoons) and a couple of small vehicles and ramp - which BTW will make a future "It's A Small World" entry. Later, I would come upon a magazine ad for sale which showed the plane in better detail, but that'll be covered further down in the post. Then, I latched on to the small Eldon fold-out catalog that I posted yesterday and this showed a complete set with the proper components. Luckily, the correct types of vehicles were already in my collection but when I bought them I had no idea what toy they went to. Lastly, I was able to acquire a complete airplane which even had it's cardboard wrap for store display!! So, now that the set is complete as well as my understanding of what all went with it, let's get on with! Enjoy! Opa Fritz

Let's have Wikipedia describe the aircraft (edited for length)

"Designated XP5Y-1, the first aircraft first flew on 18 April 1950 at San Diego. In August the aircraft set a turboprop endurance record of eight hours six minutes. The Navy decided not to proceed with the patrol boat version, instead directing that the design should be developed into a passenger and cargo aircraft.

One of the XP5Y-1 prototypes was lost in a non-fatal accident on 15 July 1953, while design and development continued on the passenger and cargo version of the aircraft. The transport and cargo version was designated the R3Y-1 Tradewind and first flew on 25 February 1954.

A total of eleven aircraft were built. The first two prototypes built were in P5Y configuration, armed with 8,000 lb (3,600 kg) of munitions (bombs, mines, depth charges, torpedoes) and five pairs of 20 mm cannon in fore and aft side emplacements and a tail turret. The next five were built as R3Y-1 aircraft, intended for troop transport and inflight refueling tanker service. The final six were built as the R3Y-2 variant with a lifting nose and high cockpit (similar in concept to the C-5 Galaxy's nose and cockpit) for heavier transport and landing-ship duties.

The program was halted after thirteen aircraft were built, the reason being the unreliability of the Allison T-40 turboprops. The crash of one of the two XP5Y-1 aircraft was judged due to catastrophic engine failure; when little progress was made with the engine problems, the Navy halted the program. Subsequently, three more aircraft were lost through engine failures, and the Navy gave up on the T-40 and aircraft powered by it. All the P5Y and R3Y aircraft were grounded in 1958 and subsequently broken up."

Courtesy Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convair_R3Y_Tradewind

Like many toy airplanes, Eldon's Cargo Plane is just a caricature but you can see the resemblance. Eldon's version is shorter and stubbier but the general outline is there.

Courtesy Wikipedia

Courtesy Wikipedia

Courtesy Wikipedia

Courtesy Wikipedia

This ad (in my collection - both sides shown for context), from the March 1956 Playthings magazine, shows what appears to be an artists rendering of the plane and is likely a pre-production advertisement. It clearly shows an aircraft big enough to accept those vehicles shown disembarking from it. The reality is quite different I'm afraid.



This undated fold-out catalog was included in another Eldon toy and clearly shows the production set


In this extract we can clearly see that the plane and vehicles are more colorful than what my samples are.


The plane had this cardboard wrap attached.
Here's the quandery: If this plane was sold as you see it, with the cardboard wrap, how were the vehicles sold. You can't fit all three in it! Did this particular iteration include the smaller vehicles???





The unloading ramp and vehicles were all bought separately over a period of time but are correct for the set as shown in the fold-out catalog (except for being a less colorful olive drab). The rocket launcher is missing the rocket.


You'll notice the vehicles are far too large for the plane, unlike what is shown in the Playthings magazine add. Was there another way in which all of these were packaged? Perhaps in a display box?

Okay here goes some total guess work: Eldon first sold this plane with the larger vehicles possibly in a box. Later, when someone at Eldon finally figured out that the large vehicles simply were a poor match for the plane, they included smaller vehicles. I can't prove it but it sounds like a likely scenario.
The plane measures: 11 1/4" (28.57cm) L x 12 3/4" (32.38cm) wingspan x 3 1/2" (8.89cm) H.




Here's my two aircraft. The one on the right was an earlier purchase and is missing the outrigger pontoons.

I posed this grouping using the complete airplane from the second purchase and the much smaller ramp and vehicles from the first purchase. The cardboard wrap clearly states that three vehicles were included and a Jeep and tank are pictured in the artwork along with the ramp. My set included a truck and tank, plus the ramp.
My speculation is that this was a later release set. 




They fit!